Criticism for Geoff Lawson

[cricket_crazy]

He's hardly gotten any criticism. Why?

We haven't seen any evident improvements in the team.

Yes, it is still early days for him but then that's the case for Malik too but Malik is still criticized.

So why is this the case?

[usman_ash14]

the fact that our team looks fitter is an improvement
almost beating southafrica in odis is an improvement

[161]

what we have a coach ??

the guy seems nonexistent ...

[J-Essence]

give him time before you guyz criticize......you guyz just don't know when to hit this emergency button...do you?

[Ahmad]

I'd be criticizing him had he been opening our batting, or had he been part of that spineless batting display in the final odi against South Africa. Since he's in the dressing room, and not out there in the middle, theres only that much that he can do. Do we give him credit for everytime the bowlers bowl well or batsmen bat well? If not, then why criticize him when they dont?

[godzilla]

i hate to be a typical fair weather supporter of the team, but out of interest, has anyone noticed lawson's presence at all? i havent watched much pakistan cricket recently, because its too depressing, but from what ive read, malik's captaincy doesnt seem to be improving, our fast bowlers don seem to have shown any improvement, our batsmen seem to be as abysmal as usual, and in what seems to be an inevitable defeat today, how do we manage to give 39 extras in 42 overs?

im not calling for a change, and im generally a believer that change takes time, but i would have hoped to have at least seen even the slightest evidence of a change, in attitude, or skill, but havent been able to detect any. has anyone else?

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by godzilla i hate to be a typical fair weather supporter of the team, but out of interest, has anyone noticed lawson's presence at all? i havent watched much pakistan cricket recently, because its too depressing, but from what ive read, malik's captaincy doesnt seem to be improving, our fast bowlers don seem to have shown any improvement, our batsmen seem to be as abysmal as usual, and in what seems to be an inevitable defeat today, how do we manage to give 39 extras in 42 overs? im not calling for a change, and im generally a believer that change takes time, but i would have hoped to have at least seen even the slightest evidence of a change, in attitude, or skill, but havent been able to detect any. has anyone else?

What sort of presence do you want to see? Balcony dancing?

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Oxy What sort of presence do you want to see? Balcony dancing?

...no, the website and the chat forum!

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by W63L35 ...no, the website and the chat forum!

Hate to say this but 'told you so' - when Bob W departed - so did that interactive world....

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Oxy Hate to say this but 'told you so' - when Bob W departed - so did that interactive world....

I was joking... I don't think we (fans) NEEDED that interaction with the coach. I'd rather have him spend that time on the team rather answering fans e-mails...but it was nice while it lasted.

Having said that....coach is just going to coach. Players HAVE to execute. No coaching can help the pathetic wide ball problem we saw today. Players like Akhtar should have been smart enough to make adjustments to rectify the problem as the game progressed!

[godzilla]

what kind of presence? what kind do you think? what kind of resence would you expect to see from a coach? commentry analysis, suggestions of whats being worked on, results of his programmes and work, etc.

as side splittingly hilarious as the suggestion may be, i wouldnt have thought the only way a coach can make his presence noticed is to 'dance on the balcony'

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by godzilla what kind of presence? what kind do you think? what kind of resence would you expect to see from a coach? commentry analysis, suggestions of whats being worked on, results of his programmes and work, etc. as side splittingly hilarious as the suggestion may be, i wouldnt have thought the only way a coach can make his presence noticed is to 'dance on the balcony'

How do you know if any of the above is / isnt happening?

[Amjid Javed]

Maybe he needs to open his own website to get notice.

no visible improvement in team can be seen!

[Pathan007]

look at the extras. and he was a fast bowler.

[Savak]

I am beggining to lose patience with Lawson, i expect some improvement atleast in the team. I just dont see any either in maliks captaincy or in everyones body language.

[godzilla]

Originally Posted by Oxy How do you know if any of the above is / isnt happening?

i dont know if it is or isnt hapening, i suspect it isnt because i havent seen any evidence of it, which is why i was asking if anyone had.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by godzilla i dont know if it is or isnt hapening, i suspect it isnt because i havent seen any evidence of it, which is why i was asking if anyone had.

Again - with Woolmer we would have seen what was going on.

What current coach in World Cricket makes evidence availabe as to what they are doing?

[PlanetPakistan]

coach's job is very overrated.

[mooz]

nm

[mooz]

It doesn't make any sense if u delete the end of the post.

[rahulrulezz]

So you think a coach should teach the likes of Akhtar, Gul how to bowl. As some people above me mentioned, coach main role is just to tell the weakness of the players and create disciplince and motivation...Its upto the players how they work on it....Lawson is a great coach and person and one should not criticize him so early..... as P.Planet bhai said, coach's job is too over-rated... See India, we dont have any coach but we are doing fine .... I think Captain plays a far far more important role than a coach....

[jaspa888]

Originally Posted by rahulrulezz So you think a coach should teach the likes of Akhtar, Gul how to bowl. As some people above me mentioned, coach main role is just to tell the weakness of the players and create disciplince and motivation...Its upto the players how they work on it....Lawson is a great coach and person and one should not criticize him so early..... as P.Planet bhai said, coach's job is too over-rated... See India, we dont have any coach but we are doing fine .... I think Captain plays a far far more important role than a coach....

Agree that captain plays a more hands-on role than coach, and that the impact of captaincy is more visible. Captain decides on-field tactics, and you can immediately see the results of any changes he makes. Coach's impact can take months to see in performances of individuals/team.

But it is certainly too early to call Lawson a "great coach".

And I would also say that Lawson has not impressed me so far with his choice of batting line-up. Afridi or Misbah should have been in at 4, and instead we have MoYo and YK now 20 runs behind India at the same point.

[Kamranz]

HAHAHAHAHA at this Thread of such stup.d views!

I credit india for the way Sachin and Gumbeer stuck into the their partnership 'ON Bouncy Pitch' this turned the whole situation round.

It was poor bowling by the pakistani's 40Extra's now how can you blame the coach when its the players that actually on the ground?


(By the way, why is everyone taking shot at Lawson when you should be thinking India doesn't even have a coach look how they discplined their bowling so far comparing to Pakistans).


Silly coments by PP'ers.

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[pak4life]

got a funny feeling he will resign after the india series

[Amir]

Originally Posted by kashif77 what we have a coach ?? the guy seems nonexistent ...

Oh be careful what you say. You may want to watch out fo rthe "Your not a Pakistani fan because you don't blindly follow everything" brigrade. This guy looks absolutle lost in his job and I have seen no improvement whatsoever.

people talk about fitness? It takes time to get fit and that is not because of Lawson. When you get rid of Inzi and Razzaq (which by the way, the selectors got rid of from the camp Lawson did not attend), then the team will look alot better.

However I am seeing the same elementary mistakes we made over and over. Batsmen giving away wicket, running still sucks, fielding still sucks and our bowling has not improved. We need a batting coach and Whatmore should have been that coach.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Kamranz HAHAHAHAHA at this Thread of such stup.d views! I credit india for the way Sachin and Gumbeer stuck into the their partnership 'ON Bouncy Pitch' this turned the whole situation round. It was poor bowling by the pakistani's 40Extra's now how can you blame the coach when its the players that actually on the ground? (By the way, why is everyone taking shot at Lawson when you should be thinking India doesn't even have a coach look how they discplined their bowling so far comparing to Pakistans). Silly coments by PP'ers. .

Thats a very good point. That is why we need to ask ourselves, why are we paying so much for someone so useless?

[filosofee]

Originally Posted by cricket_crazy He's hardly gotten any criticism. Why? We haven't seen any evident improvements in the team. Yes, it is still early days for him but then that's the case for Malik too but Malik is still criticized. So why is this the case?

Why should people criticise Lawson?

Not saying that Malik should attract criticism either. Healthy debates, about his style of captaincy and play, are fair, though.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by filosofee Why should people criticise Lawson? .

'We' dont do 'healthy criticism' very well...

[Amir]

Originally Posted by filosofee Why should people criticise Lawson? Not saying that Malik should attract criticism either. Healthy debates, about his style of captaincy and play, are fair, though.

Why should we not criticise Lawson? What are we paying him for? To sit there and give interviews? Why do those groupf of fans who think they are more holie rthan other fans...feel like you can't crticize your own team or say one bad thing.

Face it, the selectors suck and pick the same crap players again and again. Our tuk tuk mentality makes us a very boring team to watch and the players continue to make the same ELEMENTARY mistakes.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by cricket_crazy He's hardly gotten any criticism. Why? We haven't seen any evident improvements in the team. Yes, it is still early days for him but then that's the case for Malik too but Malik is still criticized. So why is this the case?

That's quite frankly ridiculous.

Lawson does something bad = SACK HIM

Lawson does nothing bad = where is he? SACK HIM

[cricket_crazy]

^No, my point was simply that when team performs bad, we blame everyone except Lawson.

Surely that wasn't the case with Bob Woolmer, so why is it with Lawson.

I don't mean to say that Lawson should be sacked. Neither is the purpose of the thread to criticize Lawson. I'm just wondering that why is Lawson escaping the criticism?

[Kamranz]

So if player perfom bad, hurry and quickly sack Lawson.

Am I missing a point here? Is it Lawson's fault if bowlers kept on giving away wides all of sudden.

41 Extra is lawson's fault????

[Zechariah]

Really we almost won the T20

Scored over 200 in every ODI we have played after T20

Restricted SA below 260 like 4 times and almost beat SA in the series

That from a team which was kicked out of the WC? No Visible improvement eh

Fielding needs to improve and some minor things other than this team is making fast strides.

Test perfomances will improve eventually.

Oh ya and Afridi playing sensibly in the last 2 matches - wonder who changed his mind.

[Luton Bad Boy]

I like this mantra of blame the coach when the chips are down. Its our players who have to win the match not Geoff Lawson, Peter Moores, Tim Nielsen, Dav Whatmore or any other international coach bar India.

Clearly there is some improvement in the Pakistan team and the 'new' setup will take time to materialise. I give my full support to this regime and hope they succeed in gaining many sweet victories on a more consistent basis in the near future.

[Bailan]

The last guy to coach pakistan was found dead. I am going to take my chances with this one.

[ajk88]

There's not much to criticize. We almost won the T20 final and an ODI series against the Saffers. Now we are tied up with a very good Indian team.