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Old 8th November 2007, 16:28
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To all the YK haterz...

In your face!

That was one of the great one day knocks in recent times. Remember, form is temporary, class is permanent! And congrats to Misbah as well. His mighty effort finally ended on the winning side...
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:34
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eh! one inning's against India doesn't make any difference to me, i still hate him ;)
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:34
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yes it was a great knock but not very often from younis...this was one of the rare times he won us an odi
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:38
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he needs to be more consisent just hope this knock gives him that confidence
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:42
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3 centuries in 150+ ODIs isn't very impressive. We'll have to see if he can keep this up for the rest of the series.
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:42
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Thankfully I still wanted him in my team....though not the suggested batting position. I still feel like Malik should be at 3 where we can get the most out of him.
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:49
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eh! one inning's against India doesn't make any difference to me, i still hate him ;)

He played his inning under pressure so what more do u want?
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:50
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Next time when he makes 20 runs in 50 balls critics will and come say "in your face". He did a good job today. That doesn't mean he has become an inzamam in one dayers.
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:50
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Ehh still not convinced. Played a great innings, but after a long time. Should be batting lower.
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:51
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Next time when he makes 20 runs in 50 balls critics will and come say "in your face". He did a good job today. That doesn't mean he has become an inzamam in one dayers.
will do;)

This was a great innings! when's the last timke we chased such a huge total and won??? And who do you want to replace YK with? imran Nazir??
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:52
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Very good innings. What bugs me the most is his inconsistency. If he can score a run a ball 40 consistently, rather than jumping between 4 off 30 and 117 of 110, I would be a lot happier.
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:53
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yeah great innings today by him but needs to perform more reguraly
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:54
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Very good innings. What bugs me the most is his inconsistency. If he can score a run a ball 40 consistently, rather than jumping between 4 off 30 and 117 of 110, I would be a lot happier.
Bit like Ijaz Ahmed...he was all over the place in the beginning but then if he got a good start, then look out!
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:55
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Today, Yunus Khan showed exactly how you're supposed to pace an ODI innings in a big run chase.

Take a bow Yunus.
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Old 8th November 2007, 16:56
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will do;)

This was a great innings! when's the last timke we chased such a huge total and won??? And who do you want to replace YK with? imran Nazir??

Yes. it is a well organized chase with good partnerships along the way. I think he better opens the innings in place of Kamran if possible drop Kamran!
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:01
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Very good innings. What bugs me the most is his inconsistency. If he can score a run a ball 40 consistently, rather than jumping between 4 off 30 and 117 of 110, I would be a lot happier.
Just in case you didn't watch his inning, his strike at one stage was 43 after playing 40+ deliveries but he caught up really well and things went his way. It was completetely opposite in last ODI where he lost the wicket at worst possible time.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:06
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3 centuries in 150+ ODIs isn't very impressive. We'll have to see if he can keep this up for the rest of the series.
Inzi didnt do that well century wise for his first 200 odis.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:07
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keep them coming more often mate...cheers
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:19
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the point is....does he deserve to be in the team....and you must be stupid and know nothing about cricket if you are to leave him out of the team.....
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:21
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here's the solution..bat first, send yunus after afridi, bat second send him in 1st down ;)
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:22
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His finest moment in one day cricket.

I criticised him after his innings in the first ODI, but today he deserves nothing other than praise. He's bounced back after that horrible innings and rammed that criticism down our throats.

Unlike quite a few on PP, I think he should be a permanent feature in one day cricket.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:36
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Never doubted him, just disappointed with his ODI career so far. It could be a lot better than what it is right now. I was very happy for his match-winning century, though. Hopefully there is more to come!
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:37
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In your face!

That was one of the great one day knocks in recent times. Remember, form is temporary, class is permanent! And congrats to Misbah as well. His mighty effort finally ended on the winning side...
How childish and pathetic.

Early on in his innings he was struggling 16 from 32 balls. But he came good and played a great innings. Needs to gain confidence from this and continue.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:37
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His finest moment in one day cricket.

I criticised him after his innings in the first ODI, but today he deserves nothing other than praise. He's bounced back after that horrible innings and rammed that criticism down our throats.

Unlike quite a few on PP, I think he should be a permanent feature in one day cricket.
I definetly believe that he is the best pakistani batsman after yousuf in both forms of the game. But by saying that, i also think he should open the batting so we can maximize malik talent at ONE down position. We are really wasting malik down the order. he is truly a match winner.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:41
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3 centuries in 150+ ODIs isn't very impressive. We'll have to see if he can keep this up for the rest of the series.
look back in history and you'll see many many top players who scored less then 10 hundreds in their entire careers with an average of not that much over 30 and spanning a career over 250 plus games...
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:45
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3 centuries in 150+ ODIs isn't very impressive. We'll have to see if he can keep this up for the rest of the series.
but add 28 half centuries to that and not the worst strike rate in the world to that (75ish), an excellent fielder too.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:45
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look back in history and you'll see many many top players who scored less then 10 hundreds in their entire careers with an average of not that much over 30 and spanning a career over 250 plus games...
Your point being?

That just means there are others who've underachieved like YK.
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:49
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Your point being?

That just means there are others who've underachieved like YK.
I think you can only judge if he's underachieved at the end of his career. I do honestly believe that he is growing as a one day player.

Interestingly enough YK has a better ODI average than Sehwag who has played 176 ODIs
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Old 8th November 2007, 17:51
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In your face!

That was one of the great one day knocks in recent times. Remember, form is temporary, class is permanent! And congrats to Misbah as well. His mighty effort finally ended on the winning side...
NeverMind,These guys will never understand. oh well, Nevermind.
Yk is the best. gutsy Performance
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Old 8th November 2007, 18:46
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the thing is that younis cannot be dropped because that pretty much leaves pakistan with a pretty fragile middle order!at least he's come good finally...though i get the feeling we're gonna have to wait a long time to see him produce another good innings...but he cant be dropped.thats for sure
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Old 8th November 2007, 19:34
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3 centuries in 150+ ODIs isn't very impressive. We'll have to see if he can keep this up for the rest of the series.
Yes but you have to consider that he was batting at #5 through #7for about 95 of the 150+ games and has no centuries in any of the games because he was so low down the order.

His 2 centuries are at @3 and 1 at #4.

His average at#3 is not the best but at#4 he has an average of solid 40.
What if
#3 Malik
#4 YK
#5 Moyo

Only thing is our best batsman is not coming in high enough but again Inzi plated at #4 for a long time too.
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Old 8th November 2007, 22:47
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Fact: He averages 30~ odd in ODis ....hardly a decent average by any stretch.
But thats no reason to drop him. Rao and Akmal are far ahead on the hit list.
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Old 8th November 2007, 23:22
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batting malik at #4 or #3 sounds good. yousuf should probably bat at 5 if run rate is good etc. but if wickets are tumbling, he should come in at 4 to stabilize the innings. yousuf can play test cricket only.
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Old 9th November 2007, 00:37
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batting malik at #4 or #3 sounds good. yousuf should probably bat at 5 if run rate is good etc. but if wickets are tumbling, he should come in at 4 to stabilize the innings.
I didn't understand this. 75% of time (probably) two wickets fall rather quickly and #4 comes in. It can be that #3 Malik, #4 YK and #5 Mo Yo (fixed batting order) or Yousuf has to be #4.
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then drop him
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Old 9th November 2007, 06:38
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Interestingly enough YK has a better ODI average than Sehwag who has played 176 ODIs
And Sehwag is hardly a regular for India these days.

A batsman with the qulaity of YK should have an average in the high 30's/low 40's.
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Old 9th November 2007, 06:44
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Just in case you didn't watch his inning, his strike at one stage was 43 after playing 40+ deliveries but he caught up really well and things went his way. It was completetely opposite in last ODI where he lost the wicket at worst possible time.
Excellent point.

It could have been so different if India had taken the chance YK offered off a lofted shot.

I do not understand this tactic of starting with a very low SR, and then slowly building up. I can understand YK and MoYo not playing the big shots early, but why not take several tuk-tuk singles an over to keep scorecard ticking over?

It is too risky a strategy if you get out (and anyone can get an unplayable ball at any time), putting huge pressure on the lower-middle order who are miles beind the RRR. It certainly cost us the first ODI.
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Old 9th November 2007, 10:13
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Lets get rid off him....we need Elahi back.
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Old 9th November 2007, 10:26
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Bit like Ijaz Ahmed...he was all over the place in the beginning but then if he got a good start, then look out!
You could not have compared it better!
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Old 9th November 2007, 10:32
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I cannot believe people think he should not be in the team. He is rather the backbone of the side for many reasons including:

1. Positive attitude under pressure (and positive does not mean smashing sixes!)
2. Hard worker. You can tell by his fitness.
3. Great team spirit (Woolmer was all praise for him when was not in the team for nearly a year or so after the 2003 world cup)
4. One of our best fielders
5.Tactical mind and thinks about his game
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Old 9th November 2007, 10:33
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Your point being?

That just means there are others who've underachieved like YK.

read my post

i said 'top players'

javed miandad only had 9 centuries over a very long career...salim malik also didnt have that many centuries and only averages arnd 32 runs per innings but is considered one of the finest one day players to have ever for pakistan...steve waugh (winner of two world cups) only had 3 or 4 hundreds to his name over 300 game career and averaged only arnd 32 runs per innings...

even one of the best one day openers in recent times (gilchrist) has an average in low 30's and has scored soemthing like 15 hundreds over a very long career in terms of games played....

also, those harking on about good players in onedayers should be averaging high 30's / low 40's should check the stats and list the players who actually average over 40 over a long career in one dayers...
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Old 9th November 2007, 10:38
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I cannot believe people think he should not be in the team. He is rather the backbone of the side for many reasons including:

1. Positive attitude under pressure (and positive does not mean smashing sixes!)
2. Hard worker. You can tell by his fitness.
3. Great team spirit (Woolmer was all praise for him when was not in the team for nearly a year or so after the 2003 world cup)
4. One of our best fielders
5.Tactical mind and thinks about his game
absolutely spot on!!

it still erks me when i think back to 200 england series in pakistan when paikistan lost series in karachi...younis khan was not even in the side for that series (either tests or onedayers) yet in the summer series in sri lanka preceding the england series, he scored a hundred and was one of the most consistent players...

also, to think this guy was dropped for the 2003 indian series in pakistan...and just look at his test match record against the indians!!!!

frankly, i think he was treated extremely harshly until bob woolmer took over the coaching of pakistan...
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