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Old 4th January 2008, 09:24
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Harbi in trouble with Match Referee

There is a rumour going around that Harbijan has been charged with racial villification.
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:11
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Harbhajan summoned by match referee

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Harbhajan Singh and Andrew Symonds were involved in yet another mid-pitch interaction during the Sydney Test © Getty Images




Harbhajan Singh has been charged with a Level III offence under the ICC Code of Conduct following his on-field altercation with Andrew Symonds on day three of the second Test in Sydney. The two players came face to face while Harbhajan was batting.

Under the code, Harbhajan has been summoned to a hearing with match referee Mike Procter for "using language or gestures that offends, insults, humiliates, intimidates, threatens, disparages or vilifies another person on the basis of that person's race, religion, gender, colour, descent, or national or ethic origin".
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:15
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tendulkar reportedly says that there was no racist abuse..
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:17
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tendulkar reportedly says that there was no racist abuse..
The BCCI denied there were monkey insults aimed at Symonds but we all could see then on the television.
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:18
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Ponting trying to get even with Harbhajan for his earlier smart-alec press statement
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:31
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Harbhajan was batting.
I dont recall symonds bowling when Harbhajan was batting.
I am sure Harbhajan did not go to Symonds's fielding position and sledge him.
I saw Symonds talking to Hrbhajan.

Why should a fielder or a bowler say anything to the batsmen?
Who started the sledging?
what was said?
who else is involved?

is Symonds also summoned? or only Harbhajan?
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:35
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The BCCI denied there were monkey insults aimed at Symonds but we all could see then on the television.

Tendulkar is not BCCI.
He was present on the pitch when the "alleged" incident happened.
He was called along with Harbhajan by the on field umpires.
he is the best person to talk about the incident, apart from Symonds and Harbhajan who were involved.
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Old 4th January 2008, 11:54
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Hopefully it'll all be cleared tomorrow. IF he is guilty, no doubt the should be punished. But I won't start abusing him just because he was charged by Symonds.
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Harbhajan Singh has been charged with a Level III offence under the ICC Code of Conduct following his on-field altercation with Andrew Symonds on day three of the second Test in Sydney. The two players came face to face while Harbhajan was batting.

Under the code, Harbhajan has been summoned to a hearing with match referee Mike Procter for "using language or gestures that offends, insults, humiliates, intimidates, threatens, disparages or vilifies another person on the basis of that person's race, religion, gender, colour, descent, or national or ethic origin".

The charge was laid by match umpires Mark Benson and Steve Bucknor after the close of play following a complaint they received from Australian captain Ricky Ponting.

If found guilty Harbhajan could face a ban of between two and four Tests or four and eight one-dayers. The hearing is scheduled for after close of play on Saturday.

Television replays showed Harbhajan beckoning Symonds and the two of them having an extended conversation before Matthew Hayden and Sachin Tendulkar, who was batting at the other end, intervened. The two umpires then spoke to Harbhajan. The charge was laid by the umpires following a complaint by Ricky Ponting.

Tendulkar was asked about the incident at the press conference following the day's play and said he thought it was not an issue. "There were a couple of lines exchanged," he said. "It keeps happening virtually every day. As far as I'm concerned [as long as] the games move on and the players don't cross their limits its fine. It's good for the spectators too. Sometimes it's humorous and sometimes it is funny."

Asked whether the exchange was funny, Symonds, Tendulkar replied, had said: 'You seem to be very friendly with our bowlers. Why don't you be friends with me now? I am a bowler as well.'

Symonds has had previous run-ins with the Indian cricketers, particularly with Sreesanth. Earlier this year when Australia toured India for seven ODIs in October, Symonds had slammed India's on-field behaviour and said Harbhajan and Sreesanth had been the major instigators of on-field conflicts between the two sides. Sreesanth, while acting as 12th man during the fourth ODI in Chandigarh, reportedly taunted Symonds as he returned to the pavilion after his dismissal.

Reports from the series also suggested that Symonds had been subjected to racial taunts in the form of moneky chants by spectators in Baroda and Mumbai. Symonds said he hadn't complained about the crowd behaviour at the venues and though he was not bothered at being targetted by partisan spectators, he said he was upset the abuse had been denied by the local authorities

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Frankly I dont understand why an Asian cricketer needs to make a racial slur against a coloured cricketer - seems very bizarre and stupid.

I hope Singh is dealt with appropriately
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Old 4th January 2008, 12:15
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If he is guilty.
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Old 4th January 2008, 13:05
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Why would anyone want to mess with Symonds? The guy is huge and built like a freakin' tank. I'd stay very clear of him on the cricket field or off it.

Lets wait and see if Singh is guilty or not before making final judgments.
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Old 4th January 2008, 13:21
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Why would anyone want to mess with Symonds? The guy is huge and built like a freakin' tank. I'd stay very clear of him on the cricket field or off it.

Lets wait and see if Singh is guilty or not before making final judgments.
Harbhajan is not living in a hood along with symonds. its a freakin cricket field. i dont see how the built of a player is a reason for deciding whether to have a verbal duel or not. Now symonds is not that stupid to have a physical fight with bhajji and bhajji knows that too.
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Old 4th January 2008, 13:24
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Harbhajan is not living in a hood along with symonds. its a freakin cricket field. i dont see how the built of a player is a reason for deciding whether to have a verbal duel or not. Now symonds is not that stupid to have a physical fight with bhajji and bhajji knows that too.
So I take it, you're justifying bhajji racially abusing Symonds? Simple philosophy for mine - don't bite off more than you can chew.
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Old 4th January 2008, 13:28
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So I take it, you're justifying bhajji racially abusing Symonds? Simple philosophy for mine - don't bite off more than you can chew.
Dude i am not justifying his "racial abuse". i am just saying what has physical size got to do with a verbal fight.
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bhajji has been a thorn in aus side for a while, maybe just trying to find a way to get em out of the team.
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Old 4th January 2008, 14:39
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I'll reserve judgement until the final ruling, but either way it looks like Harbhajan's word against Symonds. Why would Symonds lie or make something up though unless he misunderstood Bhajji?
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Old 4th January 2008, 15:02
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Who started it?
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Old 4th January 2008, 15:43
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Ponting trying to get even with Harbhajan for his earlier smart-alec press statement
what did ponting have to with this ?

if he made a racist remark he should get banned.
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Old 4th January 2008, 15:50
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what did ponting have to with this ?

if he made a racist remark he should get banned.
These aussies always have backup plans.Target the opposition players.I wont be surprised if bhajji will be fined.Anyone have got the video?Lets see who started it.
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Old 4th January 2008, 15:56
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Don't think there is any way to prove this.
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Old 4th January 2008, 16:11
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If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that Harbhajan made a racist remark then a ban for the remainder of the series and a fine is justifiable.

However the Aussies levelled the same accusation against Rahid Latif a few years ago. Latif was subsequently cleared.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/crick...icle118861.ece

I recall that Darren Lehmann was banned for racist remarks which were heard by several people in a match against Sri Lanka. That was proven beyond reasonable doubt.
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Old 4th January 2008, 16:45
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IF SYMONDS HAD SAID ANYTHING, then the best thing Harbhajan shud hav done was to keep quiet and smile at Symonds which wud hav been like teasing the opposition.... instead of replying back n end up getting summoned for a hearing..!!In this way, Harbhajan wud not hav found himself in this trouble.... lol..

Anywayz..Lets see wat happens...
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Old 4th January 2008, 17:19
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If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that Harbhajan made a racist remark then a ban for the remainder of the series and a fine is justifiable.

However the Aussies levelled the same accusation against Rahid Latif a few years ago. Latif was subsequently cleared.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/crick...icle118861.ece

I recall that Darren Lehmann was banned for racist remarks which were heard by several people in a match against Sri Lanka. That was proven beyond reasonable doubt.
That was horrible. He called Jayasurya black cu*t
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Harbhajan Singh and Andrew Symonds were involved in yet another mid-pitch interaction during the Sydney Test © Getty Images




Harbhajan Singh has been charged with a Level III offence under the ICC Code of Conduct following his on-field altercation with Andrew Symonds on day three of the second Test in Sydney. The two players came face to face while Harbhajan was batting.

Under the code, Harbhajan has been summoned to a hearing with match referee Mike Procter for "using language or gestures that offends, insults, humiliates, intimidates, threatens, disparages or vilifies another person on the basis of that person's race, religion, gender, colour, descent, or national or ethic origin".
shockin news
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Australians have too much influence in this game. Its just the US and UN. Australia and the ICC. Aussies get away with all the sledging and stuff but when an asian opposition player responds in kind they use their influence and get him fined, banned to further get under his skin.

I bet what happened here is Symonds tried to sledge harbhajan and might have even got personal. Harbhajan may have given him a befitting reply and this might have irked Symonds who decided to take advantage of the fact that he is Australian and accussed Harbhajan of using racist language. How can an Asian be racist against a white Australian nation?

India shouldnt be taking **** from the ICC not when the ICC earns 80% of its revenues from India. India actually is in a position to cripple the ICC should they even dare to mess around with them.
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Old 4th January 2008, 19:36
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Transcript of what transpired between bhajji-predator

Symonds come towards bhajji when he was batting.

Symonds : "Hey bhajji, u know how to play cricket?"

Bhajji : "just shut-up"

Symonds "anyone from panjab knows how to play this game"

Bhajji : "hey u just shut-up, teri maan(mon) kii(key)...

Symonds : "wot u say, monkey, u racially abusing me, will make a complaint"

Bhajji : "dont make false allegations, even if i really have to say anyone a monkey, i would have said it to bucknor, nowdays hez doin umpiring like a monkey"
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...Bhajji : "just shut-up"...
yeh ki speakneeya? The correct way is "Just you Shut uP!" you can check it at 1:25 here
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yeh ki speakneeya? The correct way is "Just you Shut uP!" you can check it at 1:25 here



omg that is hilarious !!!
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omg that is hilarious !!!
sorry i meant hilarious-vay !!
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Symonds come towards bhajji when he was batting.

Symonds : "Hey bhajji, u know how to play cricket?"

Bhajji : "just shut-up"

Symonds "anyone from panjab knows how to play this game"

Bhajji : "hey u just shut-up, teri maan(mon) kii(key)...

Symonds : "wot u say, monkey, u racially abusing me, will make a complaint"

Bhajji : "dont make false allegations, even if i really have to say anyone a monkey, i would have said it to bucknor, nowdays hez doin umpiring like a monkey"
lol I dont know if your serious or not...

but someone told me he's facing a 4 match BAN. Which is ********. Anyone confirm/deny this?
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Old 4th January 2008, 22:47
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Very good .irfan Pathan is the better option at Perth.
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Old 4th January 2008, 22:49
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lol I dont know if your serious or not...

but someone told me he's facing a 4 match BAN. Which is ********. Anyone confirm/deny this?
If he is punished he will probably get what Gibbs got
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no man... india will appeal and he will play in perth .. they will pull the same trick saffies did with gibbs.
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From what I understand tonights hearing is only to determine if there is a prima facie case and charges are to be laid. It will not be a not a judgement on charges.
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no man... india will appeal and he will play in perth .. they will pull the same trick saffies did with gibbs.

Gibbs appeal against ban rejected

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Herschelle Gibbs: will miss one Test, one Twenty20 and one ODI © AFP



Herschelle Gibbs's appeal against the ban imposed by Chris Broad following an incident during the first Test between South Africa and Pakistan at Centurion has been rejected by Richie Benaud, the ICC's code of conduct commissioner.
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ICC should change its name to ACC. When was the last time any Australian cricketer was summoned to court for a hearing? I know Bhajji got a bad habit to utter every now and then, but Australian are not far either. Tbh they got a bad habit for always favoring other teams over South Asian teams.
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ICC should change its name to ACC. When was the last time any Australian cricketer was summoned to court for a hearing? I know Bhajji got a bad habit to utter every now and then, but Australian are not far either. Tbh they got a bad habit for always favoring other teams over South Asian teams.
Anyone noticed how Malcolm Speed came out with a statement cricticising that Procter allowed Indian batsman Yuvraj Singh to get away because he interpreted Yuvraj's stance as an expression of "shock" rather than dissent.

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I disagree with the interpretation Mike Procter made in relation to Yuvraj and will be writing to the umpires.
What crucial timing to brow beat Proctor before Harbhajan's hearing. Looks likely an orchestrated move with various Aussies playing their role on cue.
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Old 5th January 2008, 00:38
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I am not surpriosed he was summon. Bhajjis seems to talk alot out of his @$$
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He should be summoned again for that retarded celebration of Ponting's wicket !!

My god he looked like Danish Kaneria tripping on himslef ... but three times instead of once.
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Anyone noticed how Malcolm Speed came out with a statement cricticising that Procter allowed Indian batsman Yuvraj Singh to get away because he interpreted Yuvraj's stance as an expression of "shock" rather than dissent.



What crucial timing to brow beat Proctor before Harbhajan's hearing. Looks likely an orchestrated move with various Aussies playing their role on cue.
and a conspiracy theory starts...
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Herschelle Gibbs: will miss one Test, one Twenty20 and one ODI © AFP



Herschelle Gibbs's appeal against the ban imposed by Chris Broad following an incident during the first Test between South Africa and Pakistan at Centurion has been rejected by Richie Benaud, the ICC's code of conduct commissioner.
fish .. the appeal was a delay tactic .. they had no chance of winning since millions of ppl head what he said .. but they wanted him to play the tests and be banned for the one day matches.
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and a conspiracy theory starts...
Trust me this charge has no chance of being proved. It is only designed to get some advantage today and tomorrow.
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btw, the video clip of this is now available in the Cricket clips forum.
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Maybe harbhajan was just demonstrating his reverence towards Roy by calling him a monkey....thus elevating him to the status of their god. Dont they have a monky god??? Ditto for the indians who called symonds a hanuman in india.
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Anyone noticed how Malcolm Speed came out with a statement cricticising that Procter allowed Indian batsman Yuvraj Singh to get away because he interpreted Yuvraj's stance as an expression of "shock" rather than dissent.

What crucial timing to brow beat Proctor before Harbhajan's hearing. Looks likely an orchestrated move with various Aussies playing their role on cue.
I'm not sure about the timing and Speed's involvement but something needed to be done about Procter's softly softly approach to refereeing.

Remember this guy was in charge at the Oval when Daryl Hair walked all over him and the reputation of the gentleman's sport. Maybe, just maybe, Speed is reminding Procter of his actual role and perhaps trying to get the ICC Referess to be more consistent in their handling of such situations.

At the moment you have Procter (too soft), Magugalle and Crowe (on the money) and Broad (perhaps a little over the top when certain teams and situations present themselves).
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Poppy (M.Proctor) says the umpires didn't hear anything right out of Bajji's mouth. (Well in their current form thats not surprising !! ) Symo complained to his mommy{Punter** mommy in turn complained to umpires and they in turn reported in to papa "poppy" !!

hmm how strong is this case ?? :scratch head: :Un Sure:
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Poppy (M.Proctor) says the umpires didn't hear anything right out of Bajji's mouth. (Well in their current form thats not surprising !! ) Symo complained to his mommy{Punter** mommy in turn complained to umpires and they in turn reported in to papa "poppy" !!

hmm how strong is this case ?? :scratch head: :Un Sure:
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Old 5th January 2008, 15:36
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Poppy (M.Proctor) says the umpires didn't hear anything right out of Bajji's mouth. (Well in their current form thats not surprising !! ) Symo complained to his mommy{Punter** mommy in turn complained to umpires and they in turn reported in to papa "poppy" !!

hmm how strong is this case ?? :scratch head: :Un Sure:
At last India got some favour thanks to their disabilties
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Yuvi was overreacting and dramatic for standing there so was Michael clarke .
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Its a trap by ricky ponting.So that he can score runs.No bhajji more runs for him.Thats why Aus may be the number 1 team in the world.But when they are in pressure they behave very badly and loses their sportsman spirit.Warne recently in his interview said that "Aus shouldnt think that they are the only good team in the world".

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Old 5th January 2008, 23:46
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This is all a load of rubbish. Who the bleep cares about what Harby said? If he wants to racially abuse Symmo, let him. Just let it go. Symmo can always go visit him after the game and discuss the issue over a beer or if they want to sort it all out like men behind their hotel, then fair enough. But this type of moaning in public about something that happened on the field is more something that India would do. It's embarrassing that Dubya had to report it.
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Old 6th January 2008, 00:21
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I think the ban will be cancelled by the bonus matches he will get for the rolling on the ground celebration.
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Old 6th January 2008, 11:51
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Any updates? I thought the hearing would take place on Sunday, after the match had finished.

btw what was Hayden's role in this? Was he the one who heard Bhajji mouth something when he was walking past the Turbantor?
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