Whose side are you taking? Aus or India?

[Boundary View]

Whose side are you on concerning this fiasco? I am 100% with India. Reasons ?

1) Aussies are a bunch of whinging bullies. They like to give. But cannot take.

2) Symonds was the aggressor in this incident. Harbajhan tapped Lee on the back with his bat. Lee was not concerned whatsoever. Symonds walked past Harbajhan uttering some comments (I don't think he was asking if they could meet for dinner later). Harbajhan replied with his own comments. The Aussies then started bleated racism. Glass houses and stones come to mind.

3) Proctor. What a jerk. And if you want to meet a racist, this is your man. On no evidence whatsoever, he sided with the Aussies and banned Harbajhan. Not the 1st time he had done this to a non-white nation.

4) Untrustworthy Aussies : Proctor took the word of the Aussies. The same Aussies who had one guy who stood rooted to the crease after a huge edge to the keeper that was not given out (Symonds). And whose Captain influenced the 3rd umpire by sticking his finger up in the incident where the ball was grounded. And the jerk of a 3rd umpire took Pontings word.

5) Umpiring : The Indians have been harshly treated. They would have drawn the 2nd test. They were cheated.

6) At the end of the day, India are our neighbours and we have more in common with India then the Aussies. Why not support India if they have been wronged?

So India....Im with you on this.

[flawed_genius]

Go the media!

[Dhonifan]

Thanks BV, good post!

United we stand, divided we fall. Don't know about majority Indians, but I was 100% with you when Hair called you cheats, and celebrated his fall just as much as any Pakistani. I even told a few Pakistani friend how I admired Inzi for bold action. The BCCI helped too, so to see so many Pakistanis here side with Australia only beacuse ' the enemy of my enemy is my best friend' is sad to say the least.

[flawed_genius]

Why is it sad?

India is causing all the problems and not Australia.

[Boundary View]

How is India causing all the problems??? I do think it is sad actually. Why? a) We would be going ballistic if this was happening to Pakistan b) Do u really think the Aussies geive two figs about Pakistan?? At least we have lots of commonality with India....and they backed us in the Hair Affair.

This was clearly instigated by Aussies....the Indians simply decided to fight back. Good on them.

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by eassam India is causing all the problems and not Australia.

[flawed_genius]

1. Acting like sooks.
2. Threatning to cancel the tour.
3. After engaging in racism, having the nerve to defend themselves.
4. BCCI imposing itself to make things favourable to India.

I am sorry, but you grow up learning that in cricket you take the umpires decisions as they come. Life goes on.

Aus is guilty of being their typical arrogant selves. Apart from that what did they do wrong?

[161]

how about we stop judging individuals, teams, countries etc ... and just judge the facts ?

[F16]

Originally Posted by kashif77 how about we stop judging individuals, teams, countries etc ... and just judge the facts ?

True and the fact is that apart from the Testimony of the few Aussie players there is no proof of the fact that Harbhajan uttered that word .

[Daoud]

How about neither. All parties concerned have come out of this fiasco with their reputations tarnished and this whole episode has brought out the worst aspect of all parties.
Aussies as arrogant, win at all cost and just not seeing things from the other sides perspective. India as overreacting drama queens and basically whinging sooks. And Bucknor as well over the hill, grossly incompetent and a shadow of his former self

[Kashif]

Neither. It has not been a great advert for what is apparently known as the 'gentleman's game'. Replace the word gentleman with caveman or 'monkey'.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by eassam 1. Acting like sooks. 2. Threatning to cancel the tour. 3. After engaging in racism, having the nerve to defend themselves. 4. BCCI imposing itself to make things favourable to India. I am sorry, but you grow up learning that in cricket you take the umpires decisions as they come. Life goes on. Aus is guilty of being their typical arrogant selves. Apart from that what did they do wrong?

I wonder why darrel hair wan banned by ICC ?

you seem to have forgotten that it was bcos of the very same BCCI paksitan won it case against hair & now you have a problem with them supporting their own players ?

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by Daoud How about neither. All parties concerned have come out of this fiasco with their reputations tarnished and this whole episode has brought out the worst aspect of all parties. Aussies as arrogant, win at all cost and just not seeing things from the other sides perspective. India as overreacting drama queens and basically whinging sooks. And Bucknor as well over the hill, grossly incompetent and a shadow of his former self

You are forgetting Mike Proctor, the senior most offcial on sight who just allowed things to drift till they got out of control.

[moumotta]

More on Proctor from another forum.

I think everyone would be aware of the infamous and ugly incident that took place between McGrath and Sarawan in a Test Mach in West indies in 2003.

After that test match was over no actions were taken and this is what the Match referee for that match had to say about the whole incident,

“I saw nothing wrong with Australia’s brand of aggression on the cricket field. Australia has always played pretty tough cricket, I don’t think anyone wants them to change the way they play. Sometimes, people like to knock the people at the top. They are a wonderful side and play in the spirit of the game.”

Does anyone remember who that match referee was? Yes, It was Mike Procter.

This is the same Match Referee who went and banned Rashid Latif, the captain of Pakistan for 5 matches for appealling for a catch which wasn’t cleanly taken. Then why is no action taken against Ponting for claiming a catch against Dhoni when he never took the catch cleanly?

[Punter]

Originally Posted by moumotta

Why the **** are you blaming Australia if it was the umpire's mistakes

[Super Misbah]

Originally Posted by Punter Why the **** are you blaming Australia if it was the umpire's mistakes

i agree , why in the world is australia to blame for the umpiring mistakes , its unecessary and pathetic !

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by Punter Why the **** are you blaming Australia if it was the umpire's mistakes

For claiming catches that were grassed.
For excessive appealing.
and above all for trying to spill Bhajji's blood.

[DHONI183]

India>>> I´m not their fan either but when it comes down to right and wrong then my concious just doesn´t allow me to support the wrong. I´m right behind India in this matter. I would have sympathized with Indians even if they were playing Pakistan in such situation. I appreciate good cricket played in right spirit and manner but I never appreciate teams winning by hook or crook and I wouldn´t have even supported Pakistan if they had done this.

[161]

Originally Posted by F16 True and the fact is that apart from the Testimony of the few Aussie players there is no proof of the fact that Harbhajan uttered that word .

there's no proof but everything else seems to indicates that he did say it ... why is this so hard for u guys to understand .. quit fooling urselves.

[siddharth]

I always supported pakistan whenever they play a team other than India .That has been the practise since i started watching cricket .Glad to see some one responding to that .

[flawed_genius]

Originally Posted by jusarrived I wonder why darrel hair wan banned by ICC ? you seem to have forgotten that it was bcos of the very same BCCI paksitan won it case against hair & now you have a problem with them supporting their own players ?

So just because BCCI helped us win a proper right case we should support India who is in the wrong as a favour?

Hair ****ed up bad and everyone knew it, it was a decision that was meant to tamper Pakistan cricket's image. That is much bigger than umpires giving both India and Aus wrong decisions.

Daoud hit the nail on the head. Perfectly summed up.

[jackal786]

Malcom Speed the superman was running the show so far. Now he has slightly toned down. But i am expecting a huge backlash from him sooner than later.

[jaspa888]

I cant belive that so many Pak fans on here are advocating that India should have turned the proverbial other cheek in this row.

Bad umpiring decisions aside, the real issue felt by the Indian players, authorities and fans alike is that Harbijan has forever been castigated as a racist. Mud sticks, and this will be associated with his reputation forever.

Many Pak fans seem to have short memories. Think back to September 2006, and the personal anger you felt when Pak team was labelled cheats by Hair's actions. No proof, but still labelled cheats. That is the was India feels about Harbijan being labelled 'racist' with little/no proof.

[Boundary View]

The nauseating thing is that when this happened to us in 2006 regards to Darrel Hair....we were rightly in uproar. Yet some people have posted some moralistic comments about the incident being 'bad for cricket' etc. W seem to forget this moral stance when it comes to Pakistan. We have two drug cheats playing with us ffs.

Lets just look at the facts :

- Harbajhan not proven to have used the alleged words
- Symonds proven to have gone out of his way to initiate an exchange of words with Harbajhan
- Symonds did not walk after a massive edge and this changed the course of the game.
- Ponting influenced the umpire regarding the grounded ball.
- The Indians had the worst of the umpiring decisions.
- The Aussies had plenty to say....they give but cannot take. Fact.
- Proctor was quick to make judgement on no evidence. Has done this before.

So how can anyone who is a Pakistani back the Aussies in this??? FFS.....do you think the Aussies would back us??? We speak the same lingo as the Indians. Eat the same food. Share cultural aspects. Look the same. Why don't you guys drop the jingoistic stance and back a country who are our neighbours rather then the arrogant bullies that are Australia?

Insha-allah - the Aussies time will come. Look at the number of over 32's in their side. I look forward to the day other teams can start dishing the bullying back to them.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Boundary View Whose side are you on concerning this fiasco? I am 100% with India. Reasons ? 3) Proctor. What a jerk. And if you want to meet a racist, this is your man. On no evidence whatsoever, he sided with the Aussies and banned Harbajhan. Not the 1st time he had done this to a non-white nation.

Wasn't he the same guy who gave Rashid Latif 5 match ban for claiming a grassed catch. Why should it be different for Ponting?

[SameerM]

At moment i'm in favour of India ...just

I'm baseing my judgement on what I saw on the field, and the poor sportmanslike behaviour and poor decisions which 90% were in favour of Australia.

Overall this will be good for cricket, since it will highlight another loophole which needs to get blocked (with another rule!)

I think this exposure will shut the Aussies up, aswell as ALL teams.

U get payed to PLAY cricket.. so shut ur traps and PLAY cricket (reason y i luv Inzy btw)

[moekind]

India All The Way!
Shame On Pak Fans Who Think Otherwise,
This Is Why "We" ( As In Desi People/Brown People )
Will Never Prosper
Because We'll Never Stop Hating On Each Other, And Stand United!

[khilari]

India.... but NOT their media

[jaspa888]

Originally Posted by SameerM U get payed to PLAY cricket.. so shut ur traps and PLAY cricket (reason y i luv Inzy btw)

Didnt Inzi lead his team off the pitch in 2006?

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by Daoud How about neither. All parties concerned have come out of this fiasco with their reputations tarnished and this whole episode has brought out the worst aspect of all parties. Aussies as arrogant, win at all cost and just not seeing things from the other sides perspective. India as overreacting drama queens and basically whinging sooks. And Bucknor as well over the hill, grossly incompetent and a shadow of his former self

I agree to this .Infact that was a great test match which should have been a great advertisement for the game sadly became the worst example .Both parties are blame worthy .But umpires are the real culprits .

[iZeeshan]

India have their reasons to whine about, but they're taking it too far now.

The facts clearly suggest everything in India's favor. No video proof, blatant biased descions (15 or more in one test)...nuff said.

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Malcom Speed the superman was running the show so far. Now he has slightly toned down. But i am expecting a huge backlash from him sooner than later.

He will take revenge ,no doubt about that .

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by kashif77 there's no proof but everything else seems to indicates that he did say it ... why is this so hard for u guys to understand .. quit fooling urselves.

your bias has reached such a point that it is no0w stopping you from thinking clearly. Everything seemed to indiacate that Asif and Sohaib had done drugs intentionaly, but why were they let off? Because there was no concrete proof of their guilt. Why shouldnt bhajji get the same treatment? Inncocent until concrete proof is provided!

[the Great Khan]

i support India in this one...a region that holds almost 1.6 billion cricket fans needs to stand united and show the world where the real power in international cricket lies..its high time Malcolm speed is also removed from office...Im sorry but its a fact that whenever an asian team has toured oz some controversy has come out...in 1999 we were the best ODI team in the world and closing in on the best test team moniker...the aussies were far from invincible, then they created the shoaib chucking saga, we also had the blatant cheating in the hobart test which knocked the stuffing out of pak for a while!!...who can forget the treatment Murali has been given there and now the indians are also suffering..

I know many will call me a conspiracy theorist but if you know how old boys networks work then dont be surprised if there is a concentrated effort to undermine the subcontinents power by :
a) divide and conquer, use indians new found wealth to isolate it from the otehr asian nations by dangling the carrot of *** for tat series etc!!
b) spread the baseless lie that asian teams are canniving, over appealers who ball tamper and are emotional..
c) double standards via refree bans and fines etc!! adding to the anger and demoralisation of asian teams..

there is ample evidence to suggest this is the case no matter how many people deny things
have people forgotten the way windies cricket was castrated by the bouncer rule?

I work in a large public organisation here in the UK and can say will full confidence that when it comes to stealthy discrimination via policy there are none better than the type of suits in charge of the ICC/MCC etc etc!!

[SameerM]

Originally Posted by jaspa888 Didnt Inzi lead his team off the pitch in 2006?

Actually, he did not LEAD the OFF.. he NEVER lead them back ON the pitch..
but he was NEVER rude or cussed opposition players on the field.

The guy hardly ever spoke to HIS own team, let alone opposition
The man played CRICKET...quietely and humbly

IF u have any examples of Inzi sledging or abusing opposition PLAYERS then please paste them for me to see.

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by Daoud How about neither. All parties concerned have come out of this fiasco with their reputations tarnished and this whole episode has brought out the worst aspect of all parties. Aussies as arrogant, win at all cost and just not seeing things from the other sides perspective. India as overreacting drama queens and basically whinging sooks. And Bucknor as well over the hill, grossly incompetent and a shadow of his former self

If India had not acted like over-reacting drama queens, the following would have happened.

1) Bucknor would have continued officiating and would have got his revenge in the rest of the game

2) ICC would not have been forced to acknowledge that there was something wrong and would not have cautioned the Aussies.

3) Ponting and company would only have gone one up on the next opponents.

Now if only previous teams touring Aus had acted like over-reacting drama quuens, India would not have to go through it themselves!

[SameerM]

indfan has good points to consider

obviously the rash and ready posters, will already be thinkin of ways to castrate ur post above!

CRICKET is the WINNER .....eventually

[Indiafan]

More support for the indians

Sporting greats upset by Australia's behaviour Cricinfo staff January 9, 2008 Michael Hussey says the team has never broken any rules © Getty Images The criticism of Australia's conduct at the SCG has spread to other sports with three members of the country's Hall of Fame calling for the team's "moral compass to be returned". John Bertrand, a sailor who won the America's Cup in 1983, is the chairman of the Sport Australia Hall of Fame and he wants a meeting with Cricket Australia to let it know its sides should be showing more respect to opponents. Australia's behaviour during the match in Sydney has been under severe scrutiny. Ricky Ponting and Michael Hussey have defended the team actions during the victory, but there have been a host of complaints in the fallout from a game that included issues over race, sportsmanship, umpiring, catching and walking. "We have a lot of clout in the sporting community and we will be saying to Cricket Australia that people need to step back and reassess what is happening here with a cool head," Bertrand said in the Herald Sun. "The pressure to win out on the field has become too hot, and that pressure is all about winning at all costs. "That is not what sport is about ... The fallout that we are seeing at the moment is not acceptable. It's clearly damaging international relations and clearly a lot of people are upset." Bertrand has joined the respected athletes Herb Elliott and Robert de Castella in believing the players are too arrogant. "Sport is only sport," he said, "it's not war." Hussey said the players had "never stepped outside the rules or the laws of the game". "We have a great pride in playing for the baggy green cap and for playing for each other," he said in the Australian. "We know how hard it is to get an opportunity to play for Australia and we want to play as hard as we possibly can." Neil Harvey, an Invincible from 1948, disagreed with Hussey and said Ponting "needs to look at himself". "Certainly the captain needs to be stronger and keep his guys in line," Harvey said. Harvey was also concerned by Australia's failure to shake Anil Kumble's hand at the end of the Test. "I don't think they are very sporting."

http://cricket.indiatimes.com/ICC_as...ow/2685659.cms

ICC asks Cricket Australia to rein in Ponting & Co PTI PrintSaveWrite to EditorMail MELBOURNE, January 9: The ICC has urged Cricket Australia to reign in Ricky Ponting's men in the light of all-round criticism of their on-field behaviour during the ill-tempered second Test against India. ICC CEO Malcolm Speed said CA needs to take notice of the criticism being directed at its team by the public, former players and commentators. "The team is being criticised, members of the team are being criticised and they need to to be aware of that -- they need to respond to that," Speed was quoted saying in the 'Herald Sun'. "All national teams should play cricket in the right spirit. We need to be clear what that means," he said. Speed said he was relieved that the replacement of umpire Steve Bucknor prevented an international crisis. "We could have gone in banging the table and playing `who blinks first', we could have turned what is already an international incident into an international crisis." "What we have elected to do, and we have given some serious thought about this, is to take one of the issues out of play," he said. Speed said the Sydney Test was played in an atmosphere riddled by racism claims, player behaviour issues and umpiring controversy, but expressed confidence that after Bucknor's replacement and roping in of Ranjan Madugalle to work with the two captains, the unprecedented crisis would tide over. "There was unhappiness about the umpiring, we put a new umpiring team in place. And we start again from the umpiring perspective in Perth and, hopefully, focus on the matters on the pitch rather than exacerbating the crisis," he said.

[me_asim]

two of the lesser evil...actually in this case quite less of an evil...India

[Rickz]

Let me think...........INDIA!!!!!.

[bones20]

Originally Posted by DHONI183 India>>> I´m not there fan but when it comes down to right and wrong then my concious just doesn´t allow me to support the wrong. I´m right behind India in this matter. I would have sympathized with Indians even if they were playing Pakistan in such situation. I appreciate good cricket played in right spirit and manner but I never appreciate teams winning by hook or crook and I wouldn´t have even supported Pakistan if they had done this.

You are the man my friend!

[Super Misbah]

im on aussies side, the indians have caused a riot , Go Aussies !

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by bones20 You are the man my friend!

Thanks mate ! By the way, I don´t know how you are stating this because as far as I know there are other men as well (joking of course).

[Inswinger]

I have to say that I am on India's side on this one. I don't think the Aussies are very
sporting. India and Australia have both contribued to making this matter even worse. BUt the Aussies have done more of the damage. Australian players' failure to shake Anil Kumble's hand at the end of the Test was not acceptable. Hopefully the next match will be played with dignity and both teams will be sporting.

[majid786]

im takin indiaz side.

[KB]

There needs to be some balance and the issues need to be disentangled.

I have sympathy with India for bearing the brunt of poor decision making from the umpires, which certainly influenced the match. But they should also acknowledge that they contributed to their own downfall. Australia obtained far too many runs in the third innings, given the nature of the SCG pitch. Moreover, the celebrated India’s batting failed to bat 70 odd overs on the final day and has flopped three times out of four in the series. And Ishant Sharma’s time wasting tactics indicated that Australia were not the only ones stretching the limits of the much commented “spirit of the game.”

For Australia, their run of 16 wins is a tremendous achievement. But their behaviour on the last day left a sour taste. The fact that Ponting – who was petulant at times on the last day – has not recognised this, is regrettable. And it is time Australian cricketers stopped acting as if they alone have the right to interpret the “spirit of the game.”

As for the Harbhajan incident, if it is indeed merely one player’s word against another, then there appears to be insufficient evidence to find the Indian guilty. Unless there is something I do not know about which occurred during the hearing, one would think that there is a good chance of the appeal being successful oin over-turning the original faulty verdict.

One thing should however be made clear. Any racist comment is totally unacceptable on the cricket field for obvious reasons and should definitely be brought to the attention of match officials. Anyone found guilty should be punished severely.

Finally, this argument that what has happened in Sydney is a stain on the Indian nation, that it somehow impugned the country’s honour, needs to be rejected. The nation’s honour is not at stake. The same line of the nation’s pride being damaged was used by Inzamam during ‘Oval-gate’ and it was mistake then as well to use this argument, which accords too much importance to cricket.

[BD-fan]

I side with the aussie rule "what happens on the field stays on the field". I guess that puts me on the Indian corner.

As for Umpiring, I care less. Each team going overseas faces these type of issues. Be it Australia traveling to England, England Traveling to SA, Pakistan Traveling to SL.

[jattafridi]

australia

[Noman]

Indian, they have done the right thing..

[Caved12]

Originally Posted by Boundary View Whose side are you on concerning this fiasco? I am 100% with India. Reasons ? 1) Aussies are a bunch of whinging bullies. They like to give. But cannot take. 2) Symonds was the aggressor in this incident. Harbajhan tapped Lee on the back with his bat. Lee was not concerned whatsoever. Symonds walked past Harbajhan uttering some comments (I don't think he was asking if they could meet for dinner later). Harbajhan replied with his own comments. The Aussies then started bleated racism. Glass houses and stones come to mind. 3) Proctor. What a jerk. And if you want to meet a racist, this is your man. On no evidence whatsoever, he sided with the Aussies and banned Harbajhan. Not the 1st time he had done this to a non-white nation. 4) Untrustworthy Aussies : Proctor took the word of the Aussies. The same Aussies who had one guy who stood rooted to the crease after a huge edge to the keeper that was not given out (Symonds). And whose Captain influenced the 3rd umpire by sticking his finger up in the incident where the ball was grounded. And the jerk of a 3rd umpire took Pontings word. 5) Umpiring : The Indians have been harshly treated. They would have drawn the 2nd test. They were cheated. 6) At the end of the day, India are our neighbours and we have more in common with India then the Aussies. Why not support India if they have been wronged? So India....Im with you on this.

It is like you said exactly what I wanted to say. Aussies think they own cricket. I wish India teaches them a lesson in one day tournament by winning it. Go India Go, I know it is tough, but hey it is time to do the unthinkable.

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan i support India in this one...a region that holds almost 1.6 billion cricket fans needs to stand united and show the world where the real power in international cricket lies..its high time Malcolm speed is also removed from office...Im sorry but its a fact that whenever an asian team has toured oz some controversy has come out...in 1999 we were the best ODI team in the world and closing in on the best test team moniker...the aussies were far from invincible, then they created the shoaib chucking saga, we also had the blatant cheating in the hobart test which knocked the stuffing out of pak for a while!!...who can forget the treatment Murali has been given there and now the indians are also suffering.. I know many will call me a conspiracy theorist but if you know how old boys networks work then dont be surprised if there is a concentrated effort to undermine the subcontinents power by : a) divide and conquer, use indians new found wealth to isolate it from the otehr asian nations by dangling the carrot of *** for tat series etc!!b) spread the baseless lie that asian teams are canniving, over appealers who ball tamper and are emotional.. c) double standards via refree bans and fines etc!! adding to the anger and demoralisation of asian teams.. there is ample evidence to suggest this is the case no matter how many people deny things have people forgotten the way windies cricket was castrated by the bouncer rule? I work in a large public organisation here in the UK and can say will full confidence that when it comes to stealthy discrimination via policy there are none better than the type of suits in charge of the ICC/MCC etc etc!!

The old divide and rule of the mighty empire. How could we ever forget.

[jaspa888]

Originally Posted by SameerM Actually, he did not LEAD the OFF.. he NEVER lead them back ON the pitch.. but he was NEVER rude or cussed opposition players on the field. The guy hardly ever spoke to HIS own team, let alone opposition The man played CRICKET...quietely and humbly IF u have any examples of Inzi sledging or abusing opposition PLAYERS then please paste them for me to see.

You are being pedantic now.

I didn t say Inzi sledged the opposition. As an aside, according to many ex-players I have spoken to, Inzi is a very good-natured sledger.

I was merely responding to you contradictory comment that you respected Inzi because he didnt throw his toys out of the pram and and played on regardless, forgetting that his walk-off in 2006 caused a huge controversy.

[Genghis]

I did initially take very slightly India's side after the test came to an end more so as pity for the bad decisions they got. But really all teams have had bad decisions gone against them against Australia. But the last few days with India making this a matter of national pride nonsense is what is tipping my support very much against them now. I am almost certain that Harby did call Symonds a monkey as I don't see why else would Symonds bring it up, and for that alone I think he should be fined (remember even Inzy was fined for bringing the game into disrepute after the Oval).

Agreed Ponting, Clarke and Symonds are no angels ... but the way India is making this whole episode play, it seems like they are more interested in flexing their muscles than actually playing cricket.