TO INZI CRITICS

[Geordie Ahmed]

you lot are being unfair on Inzi!
I personally would like him to bat at 3 BUT thats my opinion (which doesnt account for too much)

Everybody is saying things like he is scared to bat at3, i have one question for you, HOW DO YOU KNOW? do you know what he is thinking? or are you making these assumptions based on his actions? you do know there is a possibility that there are other reasons for him batting at the spot he is?

like i said in a post above, Inzi was batting at 4 BUT because Hafeez was brought into the side after the Malik no balling issue, he has accomodated him into the side and therefore pushed himself and YoYo down the order. if he was really SELFISH then he would have remained at 4 and everyone else to bat around him BUT NO, Inzi along with BW surely decided it would be better for the team for the youngsters to bat early!

WHAT WILL INZI achieve by avoidind to bat at 3rd or 4th as you say? nothing, this man has been in the game for over 10 years, he has shown that he is a class player who is NOT AFRAID.

I do question his captaincy BUT I WILL NOT QUESTION HIS BRAVERY! GO INZAMAM

[MecnunK]

True, even though he hasnt actually buried himself in glory on this tour I would'nt question his bravery or reasons for batting at 4. As for captaincy well he is as green as ummm green apples and there I was thinking he was improving. He is okay in ODI's but in tests he struggles.

I have never questioned his batting ability but I am critical of his captaincy

[Schiller]

J'Accuse!!

Hafeez could well have been played down the order, theres no pt in the capt the best batsman in the side coming in that late

Take that with the fact that he outrightly refuses to come at 3 speaks volumes.

Chicken |-J

Same goes to Lara. He too should be batting at 3

[Schiller]

Lara has batted higher up the order for quite some time even recently I believe.

Originally Posted by Schiller J'Accuse!! Hafeez could well have been played down the order, theres no pt in the capt the best batsman in the side coming in that late Take that with the fact that he outrightly refuses to come at 3 speaks volumes. Chicken |-J

this is bordering on the absurd now. the man is a national hero. he has given everything to pak cricket and never asked for anything in return. his attitude has been exemplary and his performances unparallelled. people who are unable to see that and want to blame him for the failures of a young inexperienced side must have really small hearts.

so the guy is no Imran Khan. we all know that. he doesnt have the ability to lead from the front. he doesnt have the flair and vigor of great pak captains of old. criticize him for that all you want. but dont call him names. you insult yourself as a pak fan when you do.

I should not need to do this but here are some stats for you

Mat I NO Runs Ave 100 50 0

61 61 9 2033 39.09 2 15 4 (batting at 3)
332 308 44 10477 39.68 10 76 18 (career)

this is the guy's record batting at number 3. batted "61" times and averaged over 39. how dare you even think of calling him a coward.

Mat I NO Runs Ave 100 50 0

4 4 0 179 44.75 0 1 0 (batting at 3)
175 151 40 3709 33.41 1 19 6 (career)

you want to compare that to the great and mighty Imran? batted at number 3 only 4 times in his career!!! does that mean we should star questioning Imran's bravery now???

[Schiller]

this is bordering on the absurd now. the man is a national hero. he has given everything to pak cricket and never asked for anything in return. his attitude has been exemplary and his performances unparallelled. people who are unable to see that and want to blame him for the failures of a young inexperienced side must have really small hearts.



wait a second, My statement is bordering on the absurd? Lets get this straight, national hero or not, times change and so do the dynamics of it all. You say

he doesnt have the ability to lead from the front. he doesnt have the flair and vigor of great pak captains of old.

and then you say the criticisism he is receiving is unfair?? Surely I do not need to point out the obvious here . As for calling him names, would you rather i said, timid as a mouse ? If it makes you happy I wont call him chicken, how about shirking sensitive plant who cannot lead and cannot face the music?

[Schiller]

And I havent mentioned Imran as a role model I believe. Till you can prove to me conclusively that sending in a novice to face teh new ball and difficult conditions so that you can come in later is not shirking from challenge I cannot change my view.

I rate him as a good bat but why should he hide so further down ?? WHy cant he stand up and say Id face the new ball? Does he not trust his own capabilities? and if he doesnt, what message does that send to others??

Originally Posted by Schiller And I havent mentioned Imran as a role model I believe. Till you can prove to me conclusively that sending in a novice to face teh new ball and difficult conditions so that you can come in later is not shirking from challenge I cannot change my view. I rate him as a good bat but why should he hide so further down ?? WHy cant he stand up and say Id face the new ball? Does he not trust his own capabilities? and if he doesnt, what message does that send to others??

think about what youre saying Umar...If Inzi was "afraid" of batting at no. 3 why would he do it "61" times in his career? and maintain the average that he has!!!!!!! please answer this question before you call him any more names.

you ask why he wants to throw in the youngsters to face the new ball? simple...its their JOB! salman butt and shoaib malik are supposed to be able to face the new ball. and it is well within their ability to do so. maybe he wants to prepare them for the future! maybe he sees an ability in them just as imran saw in him and wants to give them every chance to develop as world class new-ball players. why cant you consider that????

and here is the MESSAGE he is sending to the youngsters..."go out there, do your job and have fun. dont be afraid of getting out. dont be afraid of losing. I am right behind you. If you get out I will save the ship (as he did against australia). If one of you carries on to make a big score (like Butt and Kamran did) I will be right there by your side to guide you till the end (which he did!!!). WHY Umar can you not consider THAT message?

[Geordie Ahmed]

[quote="Schiller"]Lara has batted higher up the order for quite some time even recently I believe.[/quote]

Umar Inzi has also batted at 4 for quite some time, its only for this tournament that he has batted at 5 and like i mentioned in my post that was to accomodate Hafeez!

[MIG]

So now Malik drops Gilchrist after Hameed - quick lets think how we can blame Inzimam for these as well ?

Garbage In = Garbage Out -> You can change 1000 captains but if the team isnt good enough - the result will be the same!

[Geordie Ahmed]

totally agre MIG

ppl are blaming the youngsters mistakes on Inzamam, he is being made a scapegoat and i dont like it! i do agree his captaincy aint special but what other option do we have BUT its the questioning of his integrity that worries me

[Schiller]

Very interesting atys that you say he played 61 at 3 and that shows a lot, the last time he consistently played was about 9 yrs ago. No twise to bring that up for your own sake I would think

and Now today Yoyo has come up, Inzi now allowing yoyo to settle down? what happened now? why cant he come up now??

Lets face it , he has been chickening out.

[MIG]

Umar: This point on No 3 is valid but no grounds for replacement. Infacct one would sauy that due to his not playing at that spot, other stars have emerged - Inzi may well be gone in the next year or so - atleast there will be some candidates to take up his position!

Todays game....

Butt plays ridiculous shot, younis plays ridiculous shot, Hameed plays ridiculous shot

Garbage In = garbage out

[Amjid Javed]

inzi is a coward and shud be batting higher...! he said himself he bats @ 5 because hes their to stop collapses... gr8 show in faith in top odrer isnt it?

sending lambs 2 slaughter! inzi is a darpoke captain and shud be sacked!

he has no faith in any of his team mates!

Exactly you have to have faith in ur players and send out a positive message to the opposition. Your best player should bat as many overs as possible. I think Inzi could play to the WC.

[Jedi Knight]

Well at least Yoyo was batting at 4. Which at least is his correct position...

Originally Posted by Schiller Very interesting atys that you say he played 61 at 3 and that shows a lot, the last time he consistently played was about 9 yrs ago. No twise to bring that up for your own sake I would think and Now today Yoyo has come up, Inzi now allowing yoyo to settle down? what happened now? why cant he come up now?? Lets face it , he has been chickening out.

so 9 years ago he was rambo and now he is chicken man? very interesting Umar. your judgement is totally clouded. Youhana and Younis were both in form batsmen (youhana playing very well in the tour match and against the windies). how do you know youhana didnt go in the dressing room and tell Inzi, today is my day, let me try and win this game for us. I'm not saying it happened...all I'm saying is I dont know. But you insist on focusing on the negatives for some reason. why dont you focus on why Inzi came in before SHoaib Malik? If he was really chicening out wouldnt he let shoaib malik, even afridi go in before him????

You should have seen his reaction when he got out yesterday. we say he never expresses his emtions, for an unemotional man that was some reaction. you could see how much he wanted Pakistan to win. So he's no superman, but he has committed himself to Pakistan cricket. That has to count for something Umar!

you dont have to like Inzamam, you dont have to agree with his captaincy (a lot of us dont) but stop calling him names yaar. the man has given his whole life to Pakistan cricket. If we treat our own heroes like this what kind of attitude can we expect from others?

[Amjid Javed]

Woopi doo inzi showed some emotion when he got out...! inzi always gets anoyed when hes given out.. the guy takes that long getting of pitch u cud bowl another over whilct hes walking off!

lol he should stop hiding and lead from the front like Sachin does.