Indians have never helped Pak cricket when most necessary: Miandad

[Gotham Cronie]

Karachi, Feb 26 (PTI) Former Pakistani players Javed Miandad and Moin Khan have lashed out at the BCCI for refusing to play a three-ODI series which would have filled the gap created by Australia's decision to reduce the duration of their scheduled March-April tour here.

The duo felt the Indian response was the result of the blatant manner in which the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) had been towing their line on various issues including the controversial Indian Cricket League (ICL) and Indian Premier League (IPL) standoff.

"If the Indians wanted to help us out they could have come for a week. As it is they could even have rested some of their main players and tried out some of the players who have not been picked in the squad for the series in Australia," Miandad said.

"But India has never really helped Pakistan cricket when most necessary," he added.

Miandad said the Indians, by agreeing to come to Pakistan, could have sent a positive message to even Australia to tour Pakistan.

BCCI president Sharad Pawar yesterday cited the need for the Indian players to take a break of at least 10 days between their current engagement in Australia and the next home series against South Africa as the reason for the inability to visit Pakistan next month.

However, Miandad felt India would have had enough break to spare a week in Pakistan.

"They could have still rested their players even after undertaking a short tour to Lahore."

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...0802261132.htm

[Sahastra]

Come on Miamdad, that's unfair man.

[SameerM]

they have a rest period.. i'ms ure the players would have PRE-planned holiday plans...

Also it is a last minute 'tour' so u cant really blame anyone but the Aussies.

[Megadeth]

lol...talk about "being forced to be kind to someone".....

[pullshot]

KARACHI, Feb 26: Former Pakistan captains Javed Miandad and Moin Khan have lashed out at the BCCI for refusing to play a three-ODI series which would have filled the gap created by Australia’s decision to reduce the duration of their scheduled March-April tour.

The duo felt the Indian response was the result of the blatant manner in which the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) had been towing their line on various issues including the controversial Indian Cricket League (ICL) and Indian Premier League (IPL) standoff.

“If the Indians wanted to help us out they could have come for a week. As it is they could even have rested some of their main players and tried out some of the players who have not been picked in the squad for the series in Australia,” Miandad said.

“But India has never really helped Pakistan cricket when most necessary,” he added.

Miandad said the Indians, by agreeing to come to Pakistan, could have sent a positive message to even Australia to tour Pakistan.

BCCI President Sharad Pawar on Sunday cited the need for the Indian players to take a break of at least 10 days between their current engagement in Australia and the next home series against South Africa as the reason for the inability to visit Pakistan next month.

However, Miandad felt India would have had enough break to spare a week in Pakistan. “They could have still rested their players even after undertaking a short tour to Lahore.”

Miandad said the PCB had been towing the Indian board’s line on ICL and IPL and had taken sides by banning the players who had signed up for the ICL.

“The ICL is purely an issue hurting the Indian board. And Pakistan has been in the forefront of doing what they want,” he said.

Moin also criticised the PCB for making an announcement about the Indian series even before it was confirmed.

“I don’t understand why make an announcement about the proposal before it was confirmed. It also sent out a wrong message to the Australians and the Indians’ refusal to help would only create more problems for us,” he explained.

“If the Indians wanted to repay Pakistan for the support they have given on the ICL this was the time to do it. Unfortunately, they backed out and it is a good lesson for our cricket officials not to follow the Indians blindly and look at our own interests at the world forum,” he added.—Agencies

[SameerM]

Originally Posted by pullshot Moin also criticised the PCB for making an announcement about the Indian series even before it was confirmed. “I don’t understand why make an announcement about the proposal before it was confirmed. It also sent out a wrong message to the Australians and the Indians’ refusal to help would only create more problems for us,” he explained.

the root cause here being the words highlighted above

[W63L35]

Dalmiya helped getting Shoaib Akhtar's action cleared in a hurry so he could play in ODI series/tournament in Aus.

Other than that.......BCCI has always shown middle finger to PCB!

[Sahastra]

We just played way too much Cricket with Pakistan and Australia. We want to a) Take some rest - a well deserved one and b) Play some other teams before India-Pakistan, India Australia matches lose their charm completely.

I am surprised no Pakistan fan has yet said "We don't want to play India for sometime. We have played enough for now".

[Sahastra]

And actually, PCB should not have supported BCCI on ICL issue. That was a bad decision. PCB and BCCI should support each other primarily when facing the ICC-bully.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sahastra ...I am surprised no Pakistan fan has yet said "We don't want to play India for sometime. We have played enough for now".

a few didn't want the series as it is getting boring.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=53472
I don't even want the series end of the year because playing a series every year is not exciting

[Hash]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Dalmiya helped getting Shoaib Akhtar's action cleared in a hurry so he could play in ODI series/tournament in Aus. Other than that.......BCCI has always shown middle finger to PCB!

BCCI also voted with us to get Darrell Hair sacked.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash BCCI also voted with us to get Darrell Hair sacked.

Hair was kicked out because he SUED ICC.........PCB or BCCI has NOTHING to do with it! Had he NOT sued ICC, Hair would have been umpiring RIGHT now!
Plsu, if Hair's bias vs Pak was a concern to ICC/BCCI, he would have gone long time ago. Billy was an umpire (partner in crime) at Oval...........he is still there!

[Hash]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Hair was kicked out because he SUED ICC.........PCB or BCCI has NOTHING to do with it! Had he NOT sued ICC, Hair would have been umpiring RIGHT now! Plsu, if Hair's bias vs Pak was a concern to ICC/BCCI, he would have gone long time ago. Billy was an umpire (partner in crime) at Oval...........he is still there!

No, you have got it wrong. He sued the ICC because he was sacked! He wasn't sacked because he sued the ICC!

As for your second point....not true. Billy was just incompetent. He was the junior umpire and went along with what Darrell said. Darrell Hair had been consistently cheating against us for years.

[Hash]

Here is the proof W63L35.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ry/266878.html

Board has 'lost confidence' in Hair Hair banned from officiating in internationals Siddhartha Vaidyanathan in Mumbai November 4, 2006 Hair's fate has been confirmed © Getty Images Darrell Hair, the Australian umpire who accused Pakistan of ball tampering during the Oval Test in August against England this summer, has been banned from umpiring in internationals. The announcement was made by Percy Sonn, the ICC president, at a press conference in Mumbai at the end of a two-day ICC meeting. "The board has discussed this matter with great sincerity," said Sonn, "and gave lots of attention to it and they've come to the conclusion that they've lost confidence in Mr Hair. They've given instructions to the management to discuss Mr Hair's future with him. I think we owe Mr Hair the courtesy of allowing his future to be discussed by him with our management before we go anywhere further in the matter. He shall not be allowed to officiate in any future international games until the end of this contract." However, both Malcom Speed, the CEO of the ICC, and Sonn made it clear that there was "no issue" about the result of The Oval Test. "With regard to compensation, there is a claim by the ECB against the PCB. That is unresolved. It may end up being referred to the ICC disputes resolution committee but at this stage there's been no request for that to happen." Both also confirmed that the future of Billy Doctrove, the other umpire involved the Oval drama, was secure adding, "The executive board didn't discuss Doctrove". It was widely rumoured yesterday that Hair's future was in doubt, when a reliable source at the ICC leaked the news to a TV station in India. "The Asian bloc comprising India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh tabled a motion at the meeting that Hair be taken off the panel," the source said. "The motion was put to vote and was passed by a 7-3 majority. The four Asian nations plus South Africa, Zimbabwe and the West Indies voted against Hair. England, Australia and New Zealand wanted him to continue." Pressure from the four-nation Asian bloc has seemingly forced the ICC's hand and Hair will no longer be permitted to officiate in internationals involving any full member side. Speed revealed that he'd spoken to Hair last night, after the decision was taken and added that they will make an effort to protect Hair's interests. "I've said a number of times that I hope we can find a way for Darrell to umpire," he said. "The board has resolved that they don't wish Darrell Hair is appointed to umpire international matches. I spoke to Darrell yesterday after the decision was made. I told him about it and he was very disappointed. David Richardson, who is the ICC General Manager of Cricket, and myself will speak to Darrell over the next few days and talk about what it means to him. "ICC has a number of lawyers on staff, who are well aware of our legal position," he continued when asked if the ICC had considered the legal recourse that Hair might consider. "It's correct that Hair is contracted till March 2008. But we need a little time to discuss the matter with him, to protect whatever interests he has." Speed also made it clear that this wasn't a decision taken at the spur of the moment, confirming that the board had considered the issue in detail. "The ICC board - which consists of 13 representatives from the member countries - was presented with a very detailed paper that rain into 15-20 page. The board certainly had a lot of information before it started its procedure yesterday. They had two hours of discussion on the issue. As it was reported the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) had lodged a formal charge under the ICC code of conduct. That was also considered by the board. This was no knee-jerk reaction. The board had a good deal of information in front of it as is the case of any decision on the board."

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash No, you have got it wrong. He sued the ICC because he was sacked! He wasn't sacked because he sued the ICC!

.......are you saying that e-mail leak (demand for $500,000 from Richardson) has nothing to do with it?

What I am saying is ......how firing Hair became PCB cause that BCCI supported? ICC-Hair relations had already gone sour. ICC was going to fire him one way or the other. Do you honestly think, BCCI would have voted against this when ICC was hell bent of firing him anyways - given the e-mail episode?

Originally Posted by Hash As for your second point....not true.Billy was just incompetent. He was the junior umpire and went along with what Darrell said.

Those not enough reasons to fire him?? I guess, BCCI did not support Pak cause in that vote to get him fired?

Originally Posted by Hash Darrell Hair had been consistently cheating against us for years.

...exactly......so did BCCI/ICC even THINK about supporting PCB and having him fired before Oval episode (specially Hair e-mail)? My point - again is.....that PCB or cheating vs Pak has NOTHING to do with Hair firing!

[Hash]

Originally Posted by W63L35 .......are you saying that e-mail leak (demand for $500,000 from Richardson) has nothing to do with it? What I am saying is ......how firing Hair became PCB cause that BCCI supported? ICC-Hair relations had already gone sour. ICC was going to fire him one way or the other. Do you honestly think, BCCI would have voted against this when ICC was hell bent of firing him anyways - given the e-mail episode?

I notice you changing track. Check out the article i posted above.

Originally Posted by w63l35 Those not enough reasons to fire him?? I guess, BCCI did not support Pak cause in that vote to get him fired?

There was never a vote to get Doctrove fired! Read article above

Originally Posted by w63l35 ...exactly......so did BCCI/ICC even THINK about supporting PCB and having him fired before Oval episode (specially Hair e-mail)? My point - again is.....that PCB or cheating vs Pak has NOTHING to do with Hair firing!

It has everything to do with it. See above article

[Toony™®]

The ex-players were wrong about this!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Toony™® The ex-players were wrong about this!

no you al long

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash I notice you changing track. Check out the article i posted above.

No... I did not....!
My point was/is - he was let go because of ICC vs Hair issue.

Originally Posted by Hash There was never a vote to get Doctrove fired! Read article above

Why? Don't you think, there should have been some repercussion about being incompetent?

Originally Posted by Hash It has everything to do with it. See above article

Did you notice the word "reliable source" in the highlighted text? ICC wanted to fire him, and he was fired! If ICC did not, there was NOTHING anybody could have done about it - specially uncle DNA!

Even if I do agree with what you are saying....let say, BCCI did support PCB by voting vs Hair, don't forget 100s of other time BCCI has shown its middle finger to PCB. Latest being the refusal to send Indian team for 3 ODIs........when DNA has ****** his players just brown-nose BCCI over ICL issue (while ECB and WICB have allowed Bond and Dillon to play).

Another incident when BCCI totally cheated/******* PCB was when they held PCB's share of WC (1987 or 1996 - I forgot) profit for years. Even the interest on that money for in millions of $$$.

Another example......before the joint bid for 2011 WC, BCCI told PCB that the final will be held in Pakistan but as soon as bid was approved, the final was moved to India......and DNA (or was it Sheharyar) as usual bent over.

Another example.....when ever Pak tours India or India tours Pak, it is BCCI that dictates itenrary. Last 3-4 trips.....it is alway BCCI. When India toured Pak, they wanted ODIs before tests (or vice versa), PCB bent over. Last two tours, the matches were held in the very remote venues with minimum facilities and no-airports. PCB complained well in advance. Did BCCI listened?

Another example.......while DNA was getting his nose really dark brown fighting BCCI fight vs ICL and banning his players left & right, IPL was announced WITHOUT even a "P" word mentioned in it!

Need more examples????

[Hash]

Read our exchange bit by bit and you will see yourself backtrack!

Also funny how the 'reliable sources' are dismissed from a reliable site like cricinfo but you are always posting massala news from trashy tabloids like Jang!

Anyway, guess you're too proud to admit it! Never mind

[voodooray]

Indians have been playing non stop cricket for 5 months now and they have just 2 weeks to go for the SA series after the tri series concludes. It would be a much needed break. That's a harsh comment by JM.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash Anyway, guess you're too proud to admit it! Never mind

OK....I'll admit, when you admit DNA is pathetic - just like 74% people think he is, in this poll!
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=53247

BTW, you never replied to post #16 in above thread?

[safehands46]

I think its correct what about coaching wise, wasim akram waqar intikhab help indians with no problem have you ever seen gavaskar offer advice to our batsmen.

[Swaraj!!]

Originally Posted by safehands46 I think its correct what about coaching wise, wasim akram waqar intikhab help indians with no problem have you ever seen gavaskar offer advice to our batsmen.

Maybe its because Gavaskar played in an age where there wasnt the contact with Pakistani players the way there is today. Not that I particularly like Gavaskar's attitude at the ICC recently

[Lightning]

India made the right decision. Miadad doesn't make sense most of the time. Players need rest - especially after a looong fricking Aussie tour. Pak should have asked the Lankans or Windies to come.

[kablooee87]

W63L35, this whole song and dance is getting old. It's like you have prewritten statements and you just keep recycling them. Things like "DNA pathetic" and "BCCI shows middle finger to PCB."

You're starting to become to Dr. Nasim Ashraf what Monsee is to Shoaib Akhtar. Both targets deserve some criticisms, but both criticizers are WAY over the top.

[DHONI183]

Come on Miandad man!!! When did you last help Pakistan cricket ???????

Anyway, I´m with BCCI in this matter .

When I listened to the news of India´s tour being planned it reminded me of something very funny from a Punjabi Stage Drama:

Sohail Ahmed was complaining to his mother about her cooking and said, "You always cook 'Daal-Kaddu'. One day it´s 'Daal-Kaddu' and the next it´s 'Kaddu-Daal', if still not tired then it´s 'Daal' in 'Kaddu' on third day. Now they both are so attracted to each other that on the fourth day when mother is about to cook only 'Daal', 'Kaddu' jumps into the cooker and lies itself on 'Daal' before you could cook." .

Pakistan vs. India is nothing different to that. I mean, we need a break now .

[jaspa888]

Originally Posted by DHONI183 Come on Miandad man!!! When did you last help Pakistan cricket ???????

Miandad was responsible for the last truly exciting Pak team in 1999.

His only problem is that he believes his own publicity, and thinks he is BIGGER than Pakistan.

He is the Pak version of Bob Willis

[Indiagem]

Originally Posted by DHONI183 Come on Miandad man!!! When did you last help Pakistan cricket ??????? Anyway, I´m with BCCI in this matter . When I listened to the news of India´s tour being planned it reminded me of something very funny from a Punjabi Stage Drama: Sohail Ahmed was complaining to his mother about her cooking and said, "You always cook 'Daal-Kaddu'. One day it´s 'Daal-Kaddu' and the next it´s 'Kaddu-Daal', if still not tired then it´s 'Daal' in 'Kaddu' on third day. Now they both are so attracted to each other that on the fourth day when mother is about to cook only 'Daal', 'Kaddu' jumps into the cooker and lies itself on 'Daal' before you could cook." . Pakistan vs. India is nothing different to that. I mean, we need a break now .

very funny

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kablooee87 W63L35, this whole song and dance is getting old. It's like you have prewritten statements and you just keep recycling them. Things like "DNA pathetic" and "BCCI shows middle finger to PCB."

Well, if you disagree with my statements, please feel free to defend PCB/DNA!

Originally Posted by kablooee87 You're starting to become to Dr. Nasim Ashraf what Monsee is to Shoaib Akhtar. Both targets deserve some criticisms, but both criticizers are WAY over the top.

"Way over top" is a relative term. How much top is "way over the top"? Is it worse than the damage DNA is causing to Pak cricket? Is you say yes, then I promise to say nothing against DNA.
I feel my criticism is NOTHING compare to the destruction that is being caused to Pak cricket due the inability of DNA to lead PCB. I am surprised, you are bothered by a few key strokes that I made in the luxary of my home that I have made in a total love of Pak cricket and cricketers!

You wanna hear the latest and greatest of the PCB/DNA brilliant management moves? PCB has refused to issue NOC to Rana Naveed for him to able to sign his contract with Yorkshire? Put yourself in Rana's shoes, honestly answer.....is it fair thing to do? It is called REVENGE? It 100 times worse than what I have said about PCB/DNA. This poor player, who thought....his career was done with Pak team, signs up with ICL for a few more bucks....and now he can't even play county cricket - when counties are MORE than happy to sign him. This IS way over the top!!!

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by DHONI183 Come on Miandad man!!! When did you last help Pakistan cricket ???????

I don't think you are old enough to know about a last ball cricket shot in Sharjah.....but from what I have heard/read, that ONE shot changed the future of Pak-Ind cricket games for years and years to come.
If you are still not convinced, take a peek....it may convince you reg what this guy has done to help Pak cricket;
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...s;type=batting
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...s;type=batting

BTW, his win/loss record in daal-kaddu matches is.....6-2 (in tests) and 22-11 (in ODIs).

Originally Posted by DHONI183 Anyway, I´m with BCCI in this matter .

For some reason, I am not surprised at all!

[kablooee87]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Well, if you disagree with my statements, please feel free to defend PCB/DNA! "Way over top" is a relative term. How much top is "way over the top"? Is it worse than the damage DNA is causing to Pak cricket? Is you say yes, then I promise to say nothing against DNA. I feel my criticism is NOTHING compare to the destruction that is being caused to Pak cricket due the inability of DNA to lead PCB. I am surprised, you are bothered by a few key strokes that I made in the luxary of my home that I have made in a total love of Pak cricket and cricketers! You wanna hear the latest and greatest of the PCB/DNA brilliant management moves? PCB has refused to issue NOC to Rana Naveed for him to able to sign his contract with Yorkshire? Put yourself in Rana's shoes, honestly answer.....is it fair thing to do? It is called REVENGE? It 100 times worse than what I have said about PCB/DNA. This poor player, who thought....his career was done with Pak team, signs up with ICL for a few more bucks....and now he can't even play county cricket - when counties are MORE than happy to sign him. This IS way over the top!!!

The sad thing is, I knew I would get exactly this sort of response. You simply refuse to listen.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kablooee87 The sad thing is, I knew I would get exactly this sort of response. You simply refuse to listen.

Boy....you are good........or is it me who too predictable?

[Cryin Out Loud]

Just to clear things up this is what Miandad said (I hate it when the press gets it wrong)

"Iph the Indianth wantedh thoo help us out they could have come foll a week. Ath it ith they could even have lested thum of their main playerth and thried out thum of the playerth who have not been picked in the thquad for the theeries in Authralia," Miandad said.

"But India hath never really helped Pakithtan kilkith when moth nethethary," he added.

[nikred]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Just to clear things up this is what Miandad said (I hate it when the press gets it wrong) "Iph the Indianth wantedh thoo help us out they could have come foll a week. Ath it ith they could even have lested thum of their main playerth and thried out thum of the playerth who have not been picked in the thquad for the theeries in Authralia," Miandad said. "But India hath never really helped Pakithtan kilkith when moth nethethary," he added.

kilkith

[Hash]

I thought as a Mod W63L35 might tone it down a little (just a little) to show a bit of responsibility, but alas not!

Does get a little tiresome but W63 wouldn't be W63 without it!

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash I thought as a Mod W63L35 might tone it down a little (just a little) to show a bit of responsibility, but alas not!

How do you want me to behave? What do you want me to say? Is calling apple, an apple (rotten apple in this case!) is forbidden if you are a mod? I'd more than happy to quit as mod, if being a mod.........will not allow me to voice my true feelings!

Responsibility - reg what? How much responsibility DNA has shown with the position he has held for the last 16-17 months. You don't need to answer this. It is already answered;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=53247
Don't tell me those 74% who voted "poor" or "extremely poor" are irresponsible!

Plus....I do it because I am passionate about Pak cricket. I don't have anything personal with DNA and his cronies who are hell bent on destroying Pak cricket, team and the players! Won't you be disturbed if somebody destroys something you love dearly?

As far DNA's performance is concerned, even YOU could not come up with ONE good thing that DNA has done to Pak team in last 16 month?

[Rickz]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Just to clear things up this is what Miandad said (I hate it when the press gets it wrong) "Iph the Indianth wantedh thoo help us out they could have come foll a week. Ath it ith they could even have lested thum of their main playerth and thried out thum of the playerth who have not been picked in the thquad for the theeries in Authralia," Miandad said. "But India hath never really helped Pakithtan kilkith when moth nethethary," he added.

[Cryin Out Loud]

Originally Posted by W63L35 I don't think you are old enough to know about a last ball cricket shot in Sharjah.....but from what I have heard/read, that ONE shot changed the future of Pak-Ind cricket games for years and years to come...

I saw that game, that shot. It was amazing.

For a generation of Indian fans that shot would be one of their more haunting memories of cricket, exorcised only by that ball from Prasad to Sohail, and the WCs games.

I remember Sharma's run up, I remember the attempted inswinging yorker, I remember Miandad's swipe for a six. I can replay the film in my head.

One of the most amazing and gutsy innings I have seen, what a player Miandad, that son of a *****.

[161]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Well, if you disagree with my statements, please feel free to defend PCB/DNA! You wanna hear the latest and greatest of the PCB/DNA brilliant management moves? PCB has refused to issue NOC to Rana Naveed for him to able to sign his contract with Yorkshire? Put yourself in Rana's shoes, honestly answer.....is it fair thing to do? It is called REVENGE? It 100 times worse than what I have said about PCB/DNA. This poor player, who thought....his career was done with Pak team, signs up with ICL for a few more bucks....and now he can't even play county cricket - when counties are MORE than happy to sign him. This IS way over the top!!!

I feel absolutely disgusted about what's been done with Rana here.

He played with more heart and passion than any other Pakistani cricketer.

But now he's being treated like trash only for the BCCI's stakes !!

In a hundred years I never would have imagined that we would be treating our own like this to please India.

A sad sad day for Pak cricket !

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Just to clear things up this is what Miandad said (I hate it when the press gets it wrong) "Iph the Indianth wantedh thoo help us out they could have come foll a week. Ath it ith they could even have lested thum of their main playerth and thried out thum of the playerth who have not been picked in the thquad for the theeries in Authralia," Miandad said. "But India hath never really helped Pakithtan kilkith when moth nethethary," he added.

Very mature of you mate. Poor guy has a speech impediment, wonder how you treat people with disabilities.

[Cryin Out Loud]

Originally Posted by saadibaba Very mature of you mate.

Thanks.

[Rickz]

A bit harsh from Miandad, India have been playing non stop cricket for a while now. It's Australia's fault for changing it in the last minute.

[BD-fan]

"But India has never really helped Pakistan cricket when most necessary,"

Mods or the thread starter:
Please add "when most necessary" at the end of the title. Those three words changes the meaning.

[Indiagem]

Originally Posted by Rickz A bit harsh from Miandad, India have been playing non stop cricket for a while now. It's Australia's fault for changing it in the last minute.

Thats true. For the first time probably BCCI is not after money, or may be there is something else we don’t know that they have rejected PCM request. This is definitely the right decision and no way we could have sent our team after such a long series in AUS.

Also it is not about just AUS tour, India has been playing non stop cricket since June. 1) Ireland tour 2) Eng Tour 3) Twent20 WC 4) AUS ODI series 5) PAK Series 6) AUS Series. I cannot recollect whether India team got a 2 week break between any of these tour. The max I think they would have got was a 7-8 day break. They have been on road over last 8 months.

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Just to clear things up this is what Miandad said (I hate it when the press gets it wrong) "Iph the Indianth wantedh thoo help us out they could have come foll a week. Ath it ith they could even have lested thum of their main playerth and thried out thum of the playerth who have not been picked in the thquad for the theeries in Authralia," Miandad said. "But India hath never really helped Pakithtan kilkith when moth nethethary," he added.

A good one !!!

I used to be a specialist in typing Miandad´s accent few months back .

[DHONI183]

Originally Posted by W63L35 I don't think you are old enough to know about a last ball cricket shot in Sharjah.....but from what I have heard/read, that ONE shot changed the future of Pak-Ind cricket games for years and years to come. If you are still not convinced, take a peek....it may convince you reg what this guy has done to help Pak cricket; http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...s;type=batting http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/...s;type=batting BTW, his win/loss record in daal-kaddu matches is.....6-2 (in tests) and 22-11 (in ODIs).

Those are stats aren´t they ? I never said anything against him as for being such a great player and wonderful servant of Pakistan cricket . All I´m saying is that even he hasn´t done much for the development of Pakistan cricket being a former cricketer himself.

Originally Posted by W63L35 For some reason, I am not surprised at all!

Yeah, because you know I simply can´t back senseless theories, right ?

[Temujin Khaghan]

India not helping pakistan is completely different from BCCI not helping PCB. Both are as different as Quantum physics and 'financial' mathematics.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Just to clear things up this is what Miandad said (I hate it when the press gets it wrong)....

have you also seen his very old interview

[Indiafan]

India has never really helped Pakistan cricket when most necessary

I am sure he means all those World cup matches when India did not help Pak out and knocked them out of the tournament,




Ok joke

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by Temujin Khaghan India not helping pakistan is completely different from BCCI not helping PCB. Both are as different as Quantum physics and 'financial' mathematics.

both are intesive probabilistic mathematics... the schrodinger's equation and most stochaistic differential equations solve to yield a probability function. be careful what you post, nerds are about.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Hair was kicked out because he SUED ICC.........PCB or BCCI has NOTHING to do with it! Had he NOT sued ICC, Hair would have been umpiring RIGHT now! Plsu, if Hair's bias vs Pak was a concern to ICC/BCCI, he would have gone long time ago. Billy was an umpire (partner in crime) at Oval...........he is still there!

i can name atleast three non discrimination employment law statutes which would be violated if he was released for suing the ICC. do think before you post.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash BCCI also voted with us to get Darrell Hair sacked.

So much for the BCCI support and PCB's say in ICC matters.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=54441

[Hash]

Originally Posted by W63L35 So much for the BCCI support and PCB's say in ICC matters. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=54441

As long as he doesn't umpire Pakistan matches, I don't care and will be pleased with the BCCI and PCB for ensuring this happens.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Hash As long as he doesn't umpire Pakistan matches, I don't care and will be pleased with the BCCI and PCB for ensuring this happens.

ICC did say that he'll be umpiring in ALL matches.

[Swaraj!!]

Originally Posted by W63L35 ICC did say that he'll be umpiring in ALL matches.

They have to maintain appearances.

Just because some one says all men are equal doesnt mean every one sleeps on feather beds. I really doubt if anyone expects Hair to officiate subcontinent matches without the hue and cry which ICC abhor.

On the other hand, would be fun if that happens just to see what the all-powerful BCCI-PCB combo does in that case. It would be a kick in the bu++ for them.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Swaraj!! On the other hand, would be fun if that happens just to see what the all-powerful BCCI-PCB combo does in that case. It would be a kick in the bu++ for them.

Didn't the "all-powerful" BCCI-PCB combo voted to keep this guy out in the 1st place???
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ry/266878.html

[Swaraj!!]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Didn't the "all-powerful" BCCI-PCB combo voted to keep this guy out in the 1st place??? http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ry/266878.html

That's why it is a kick in the bu++ for them. Even more if this guy officiates in a match involving IND or PAK.