Are the PCB Correct to Ban Akhtar?

[Saj]

A 5 year ban was announced today for Shoaib Akhtar by the PCB following repeated breaches of discipline.

Akhtar has rarely been out of the news since making it to international cricket, but do you think the PCB are correct to ban him, do you think the punishment is too harsh, just right or it should have been a longer ban, or do you think he should not have been banned at all?

[ehjaz]

I think the present PCB is just proving themselves as the "true" circus show. I think 5 years ban is too much. Btw I saw the latest footage of one of the selectors and boy o boy he has put on no less than 20 kilos maybe in one year.....

[W63L35]

As much as I wanted Shaoib to be punished badly for hitting Asif --- which he was for a record fine/ban in the history of cricket, I don't he deserved a 5 year ban (which is a life ban in reality)..... for a lesser sin/crime for which Danish was let go free!

No... he should not have been banned this time.

[faisalm]

He shouldn't have been banned for such a trivial thing, hopefully we will see him back in Pakistani colours soon.

[OZGOD]

I think this is just the tipping point in a culmination of ongoing activity and history that has been detrimental to Pakistani cricket as a whole. I'm surprised he hadn't been banned before this. On the surface a 5 year ban seems harsh, but if you think about it he had never been punished for any of his other infractions. I voted life because 5 years is as good as life, if you think about it. Though in OZ he probably wouldn't have been banned - just dropped and never been picked again.

It's pretty hypocritical of the PCB to ban him for 5 years though, given they let him off scot free all those other times. That's why it looks harsh.

[161]

Originally Posted by ehjaz I think the present PCB is just proving themselves as the "true" circus show. I think 5 years ban is too much. Btw I saw the latest footage of one of the selectors and boy o boy he has put on no less than 20 kilos maybe in one year.....

fat cats getting even fatter ...

[pakistani pride]

Ozgod why didnt CA give life bans to warne and M waugh ?

[161]

OK .. instead of just venting .. can we actually consider the facts of the case ?

Do realize that Shoaib was not under contract from the PCB ... in fact he never even accepted that pathetic retainer they offered him.

So then .. what duty did Shoaib have to abide by the PCB's loony policies if he had absolutely no contractual obligations to them ?

This is like firing someone who doesn't even work for you.

It's lunacy to obscene levels and would never hold up in any court.

[Murad]

The ban should have been for a shorter time


I think 7/8 match ban should have been okay.

But again, he has been indisciplined for long long time. He has broken the rules so many times. I think uncountable.

But still 5 yrs is too much.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by kashif77 OK .. instead of just venting .. can we actually consider the facts of the case ? Do realize that Shoaib was not under contract from the PCB ... in fact he never even accepted that pathetic retainer they offered him. So then .. what duty did Shoaib have to abide by the PCB's loony policies if he had absolutely no contractual obligations to them ? This is like firing someone who doesn't even work for you. It's lunacy to obscene levels and would never hold up in any court.

spot on Kashif.

[the_best]

I am posting the one which I posted in another forum
PCB soap opera continue. I feel sorry for Shoaib. Last of the few characters in cricket. With Warne's retirement and now Shoaib cricket lost all of its crowd puller.
Does PCB is the worst board in handling its player? You can not control genius; you have guide to focus him in his job. Shoaib is genius. PCB failed to perform their duty. India and SL lucky in this sense that they do not have to deal with flawed genius (Tendy and Murali are self regulated). PCB should take some lessons from ACB how to do this. ACB's action to regulate Warne and Ponting should be text book material to handle genius.

[Amjid Javed]

No he should not be banned as hes not contracted.

Thats should be an option!

[Dodgy Umpire]

So glad PCB have finally banned him.

Pak team will be much better without him.

[khanz141]

He probably only should have been banned for a series or two but five years is too much for something that he was not lying about............. Another one of the Players gone for whom we watched cricket.

[Oxy]

Exactly what was his crime?

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Oxy Exactly what was his crime?

I tried to ask but nobody knew.... you may have better luck!

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by W63L35 I tried to ask but nobody knew.... you may have better luck!

On the radio they said that he had spoken against the PCB.

But that cant be right - who has heard of a 5 year ban for that? In rugby you can box the crap out of an opponent, and get 1 week suspension!

Does DNA have any daughters of marriagable age?

[umairriazmirza]

PCB is truly MAD..DNA is a JOKER..he is killing PAKISTAN cricket..

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Oxy On the radio they said that he had spoken against the PCB. But that cant be right - who has heard of a 5 year ban for that? In rugby you can box the crap out of an opponent, and get 1 week suspension!

Hair almost sued the heck of ICC..... he is still their elite employee - I mean umpire!

Originally Posted by Oxy Does DNA have any daughters of marriagable age?

[SwEeT CaNdY]

itz unfair....too strict they ruined his career

[Monsee]

If you add up all his offences from the day he first got banned (before he even played for the senior team) and till now especially the ones he never got punished for by PCB; he deserves a life ban and some change!

He can now concentrate on his real love i.e. earning money as a Cra.pwood Acter :-)

[siddharth]

Too much for talkiing against a cricket board . Then every body is used to this circus .

[Crusader]

I voted No.

[bobbybhai]

I said no Shoaib Akthar is my favorite bowler there is no reason for him to be banned at most he should of been given a fine i gues.

[PakPassionate]

I don't agree with PCB

PCB made Shoiab Malik Captain of Pakistan despite involving Match Fixing in domestic competition and this is a bigger crime then Shoiab Akhtar's case.

I hope Board will will change and Shoiab Akhtar will come back again in cricketing world inshAllah

[the_game]

Absolutely not. DNA is covering his own rear end here. His policies have been atrocious, and it was high time somebody spoke out against the idiot.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by PakPassionate I don't agree with PCB PCB made Shoiab Malik Captain of Pakistan despite involving Match Fixing in domestic competition and this is a bigger crime then Shoiab Akhtar's case. I hope Board will will change and Shoiab Akhtar will come back again in cricketing world inshAllah[/COLOR]

He didn't try to win the match for his own team because he wanted to knock the opponents(who he felt didn't deserve to make the semis) out of the tournament.

[PakPassionate]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan He didn't try to win the match for his own team because he wanted to knock the opponents(who he felt didn't deserve to make the semis) out of the tournament.

This is also called match fixing brother : )
and he also admitted in the interview

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by PakPassionate This is also called match fixing brother : ) and he also admitted in the interview

Technically yes but clearly he wasn't morally corrupt(unlike the other match fixers)

[Toony™®]

Question is was he under contract when he made those alleged offensive statements?

[Saj]

Any sort of severe punishment against Akhtar should have come against him early in his career, instead of the pampering he received in his early days.

That way he would have realised that he cant take the PCB for a ride and ruin his own career, as well as letting his team mates and the fans down. However that did not come about and he pushed it to the limit again and again and again.

I dont know who I am more frustrated with, the PCB for not sorting Akhtar out early in his career, the current PCB regime or Akhtar himself.

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by Saj Any sort of severe punishment against Akhtar should have come against him early in his career, instead of the pampering he received in his early days. That way he would have realised that he cant take the PCB for a ride and ruin his own career, as well as letting his team mates and the fans down. However that did not come about and he pushed it to the limit again and again and again. I dont know who I am more frustrated with, the PCB for not sorting Akhtar out early in his career, the current PCB regime or Akhtar himself.

I would say it's more 1 and 3 of those points you raised, Saj. The PCB bears responsibility for not setting a standard of discipline before this, and Akhtar bears responsibility for his own actions.

[DM]

No I wouldn't have banned him.

This is just a sport. I want to be entertained.


I don't like how the guy seemed to get on, if half the press was accurate.

But they should have sorted their individual differences between them without barring him from playing what is just a game. If they were worried about image/being a role model etc, then just keep it away from the press!

[Umta]

This is ridiculous. People of Pakistan should take a julooos outside the office of PCB and chant anti-DNA slogans. Thats not the way we should treat a national hero....

[harman]

he is banned for raising his concern against the central contact and the pitches prepared by PCB. wht the hell ! freedom of speech and expression, but DNA and his idiots couldn't suck it up. they are destroying pak cricket. A protest must be launched against them.

[waqar_ahmad]

Hell no, I hope, and im quite sure that DNA and some of the other idiots in the PCB will be sacked anyway by the new govt. I hope rashid latif is brought in as the new chief.

[MalikBrother]

The ban should have been for a shorter time .

[qaiser]

he is banned b/c he is not liked by lawson, DNA, AND Malik THE ULTIMATE CHAMCHA

[safehands46]

I think its atrocious, can anyone please tell me what he did that was against the law. I mean now anyone who talks about pakistan cricket is going to be banned it bad precedence. Kaneria who has done nothing wrong except voicing an opinion is also being threatened. No one banned inzi after he took the stands or when eh forfeited the match. I mean its complete hypocrisy. the real issue is that shoaib is a scapegoat. Even though pakistan would have never one the england series without him, pakistan would never have challenged in many matches that he played. What makes them the judge and the jury. pakistan cricket has been in the toilet and is starting to fall to the level of windies. Its easy to blame someone for failure but fixing it will always take courage. What about when yousuf joined icl or afridi did his antics. The fact is shoaib is a scapegoat regardless of his fitness issues. he is the victim and thats the truth.

[Asim2Good]

this wil end up as "April Fool" joke from PCB

nothing ll happen, he ll b back after a bit more drama. Hanif Abbasi (MNA from PML N) already talking abt taking this issue to National Asembly

[Sheikh_Ji]

A 5 year (effectively life) ban for venting out frustration over being demoted is just ridiculous; especially considering Shoaib subsequently publicly apologized for his remarks.

To try to make up for all the previous infractions Shoaib wasn't punished for is plain wrong! 2 wrongs do not make a right

[qaiser]

Originally Posted by Sheikh_Ji A 5 year (effectively life) ban for venting out frustration over being demoted is just ridiculous; especially considering Shoaib subsequently publicly apologized for his remarks. To try to make up for all the previous infractions Shoaib wasn't punished for is plain wrong! 2 wrongs do not make a right

totally agree
If he ever deserved life ban, it was when he hit asif.
current issue of speaking about PCB on their mistreatment but apologizing promptly is too trivial of an offense

PCB is bunch of Idiots headed by Maha Idiot who fantasize himself as the greatest administrator ever lived.

This PCB board mishandeled Hair incident,
ICL/ IPL issue,
M.Yusuf's case,
ruined World cup,
ruined Inzi, Razzaq, Hasan Raza and other talented cricketer's career, apointed good for nothing Lawson as coach over deserving Whatmore/ Miandad,
appointed clueless Malik as captain, when his place in test side is questionable,
persisted with akmal, sami, rao and kaneria despite failures.
mishandeled akhtar's case bigtime
preparing dead wickets against south africa b/c of scared malik.
mishandeled central contract big time
more than 350 employee with only aim to defend their employment.

how much more damage can someone do in such a short period.

Pakistan lost place/ honor in squash, hockey. Is cricket going to be the next.

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by pakistani pride Ozgod why didnt CA give life bans to warne and M waugh ?

For what? Providing weather information to a bookie? Warne and Waugh never criticised their teammates or attacked their teammates.

[OZGOD]

I'm guessing that the 5 year ban was merely the result of Shoaib's latest outburst becoming the tipping point for the PCB. They basically sat back and did not penalise him for any of his other misdemeanours, but when he gave them a spray when he was already on probation their patience finally snapped, and they basically rolled up all the "non-bans" of the previous years into one huge ban.

No doubt a ban was required, but the way it was done reeks of incompetence - it's kind of like spoiling a child till he's age 25, letting him raise hell and act like a moron, getting into trouble, etc and turning a blind eye to it (or just giving him a slap on the wrist) and then all of a sudden cutting them off the family inheritance for the next infraction in an effort to exert authority. The child (and in this case Shoaib is no child) bears a majority of the responsibility for his own actions (as do we all for what we do in life), but the parents bear part of the responsibility in not setting a standard of behaviour and discipline in earlier years.

That said, I do think Shoaib deserved a life ban, not a five year one - but the way I would have handled it, I would just have never picked him ever again. No need to publicise anything, just don't pick the bloke ever. Cross his name off the list. The only point a public 5 year ban does is as an exercise of power.

[Genghis]

Seriously this has been brewing for a while now ... and it was only a matter of time before he finally did get an extended ban for his misdemeanors. I guess the disapointing thing about it all is the fact that in the end it was probably one of the least expected incident which lead to the final nail in the coffin.

Really the ban in this case probably should have been less, but it seems like this one incident was just the tip of the iceberg.

Sad to once again see a career which promised so much, faze into a dull repetitive soap opera.

[Wazeeri]

I don't see much legal justification for this but I think this should have come a lot earlier in his career. I blame Tauqir Zia for the way he bent over for Shoaib at every corner.

If people look over this man's career than there is nothing but self promotion and a galli to glory type mentality.

I hope this ban holds up in court because Pakistan needs to move on.

Defense could argue that the PCB as the central governing body of cricket in Pakistan has the powers to ban anyone from playing in Pakistan or for Pakistan. Shoaib was just recently banned for hitting someone even though he wasn't contractually bound to the PCB. That action of the PCB went unchallenged and so hve all the pre-contract bans of the PCB.

The PCB could argue that his statements are destructive to the team and he has proven himself to be a bad influence by not restraining himself even while serving a ban.

[Lara400]

I tell you what give him the ultimate license to do what he wants and lets forget about disciplining him quite pointless hey

Infact we can start awarding him everytime he opens his mouth, perhaps that might be the right way to go about doing things

[pakcricketfan]

I think the 5 yr ban on Shoaib Akhter is a bit harsh...
I mean if they had done so when he hit Asif...that would have been one sensible and wise thing.But for now, I think this ban is quite harsh..

HOWEVER, this does not mean that I'm defending Shoaib or I think he's innocent like a lamb...I am in absolute favour of a ban on him...coz ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

But if u look on Shoaib's history, this 5 yr ban seems quite less to me..for all the things he had done! But I think this ban is only for his recent acts...so this is something harsh...

But seeing and hearing Shoaib Akhter's some of the statements in his press conference and on tv programmes where he has appeared today, I can only say that now Shoaib is only doing what we call 'ghatiya-pan' in Urdu..!

[faz]

Who Did Shoaib Kill?????

This Is An Absolute Diabolical Decision!!!

Dr Naseem Ashraf Should Get The 5 Year Sentence, But In Prison!!!

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by faz Who Did Shoaib Kill????? This Is An Absolute Diabolical Decision!!! Dr Naseem Ashraf Should Get The 5 Year Sentence, But In Prison!!!

The punishment for a murder is not just a ban of 5 yrs mate..

[OZGOD]

Interesting. The forum is split pretty much down the middle with regards to whether he deserved some sort of punishment or not.

[pakcricketfan]

Here are some parts of Osman Samiuddin's piece of writing on cricinfo which I found interesting..especially think about the highlighted part:

In Pakistan, the rule of the conspiracy theory is complete, possibly because they are so damn good at coming true. It is the grease on which life turns. Pakistan is also a land with no full stops, only commas, brackets and colons, semi and full.............................................. ......................................

If we play it straight - briefly if ill-advisedly - and believe that he is forever gone, what does Shoaib leave behind? Nothing really. No legacy; only a blighted, wasted career and a warning to future players on what not to become, and to future administrations on how not to deal with a player.-.................................................. ....................

But how much longer, ultimately, can and should anyone put up with this tiresome, cyclical piffle? Shoaib screws up, PCB warns, Shoaib reacts, PCB punishes, Shoaib appeals, PCB relents: the most inane soap operas offer more entertainment and surprise. It is not a drama anymore, just a series of pathetic jousts between an unruly fool and a succession of inept administrations. Where will it end? Where did it even begin? Not now, maybe not next year, but soon hopefully will come a comma, a semi-colon and these things might start to matter a little less.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by Oxy Exactly what was his crime?

The timeline list clearly shows what he has done throughout his career, and that list is certainly not an exhaustive one.

[Amoeba]

I actually think a 5 year ban for criticising the PCB in itself is far too harsh. However once they took 3,543,673 other offences into account they had no choice. He should have been stamped on and disciplined when he was 19. Instead he was pampered and spoilt by too many weak captains, managers and administraters particularly those who knew nothing about actually playing cricket. Only Inzy and Bob handled him well and I hope that he will look at the two whole back to back series he played against England and India as the zenith of his career. I fear though he will dwell on some meangingless delivery to Nick Knight in a jamodi.

[Farhad]

Only Inzy and Bob handled him well and I hope that he will look at the two whole back to back series he played against England and India as the zenith of his career.

bob and inzi? ahem...ahem....Well, actually that's what the two gentlemen in question can term as the zenith of their careers when on flat wickets, Shoaib bolstered the Pak attack so brilliantly. Well, I think you are right...indeed Bob and Inzi should take the credit for Shoaib's performances there because flat in their faces Shoaib refused to shorten his run-up and adding to that proved the both wrong for the umpteenth time by his bowling.

Anyhow, after his trumpeted and much-celebrated ignominous forced retirement, Inzamam is just good enough for the Rubbish Rejects and Retired league (ICL), and a performance there against second-rate Australian reserves my be the zenith of his career.

Are you yet again writing him off - it's miserably wrong as much as it's funny given the history of your predictions. he will prove you and other haters wrong - yet again.

Deja vu - lost count how many times have you announced and celebrated Shoaib's "retirements" only to be proven wrong, and guess what when I told all and sundry Inzamam was history, he was indeed quite swiftly consigned to the reject pile permanently - right in the aftermath of his embarassing shows in England , SA and in the WC where he so clumsily engineered the most humiliating Pak performance of all time - a nadir of his career.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Farhad bob and inzi? ahem...ahem....Well, actually that's what the two gentlemen in question can term as the zenith of their careers when on flat wickets, Shoaib bolstered the Pak attack so brilliantly. Well, I think you are right...indeed Bob and Inzi should take the credit for Shoaib's performances there because flat in their faces Shoaib refused to shorten his run-up and adding to that proved the both wrong for the umpteenth time by his bowling. Anyhow, after his trumpeted and much-celebrated ignominous forced retirement, Inzamam is just good enough for the Rubbish Rejects and Retired league (ICL), and a performance there against second-rate Australian reserves my be the zenith of his career. Are you yet again writing him off - it's miserably wrong as much as it's funny given the history of your predictions. he will prove you and other haters wrong - yet again. Deja vu - lost count how many times have you announced and celebrated Shoaib's "retirements" only to be proven wrong, and guess what when I told all and sundry Inzamam was history, he was indeed quite swiftly consigned to the reject pile permanently - right in the aftermath of his embarassing shows in England , SA and in the WC where he so clumsily engineered the most humiliating Pak performance of all time - a nadir of his career.

Now just shush: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=55031

Wait till Moin and others get on this Liar's case...

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Monsee Now just shush: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=55031 Wait till Moin and others get on this Liar's case...

You shusssh...instead of giving references to endless forum debates which go in perpetual circles. look at the Big Picture of reality out of your virtual world....there are demonstrations in Pak, NA motion is going to be tabled, leading cricketers generally are on Shaibee's side ........PCB is in hot water.

Moin and Inzi are important or Miandad and Imran? Do not think the unholy combination of a mediocre cricketer and a minnow-basher (BOTH having been involved in match-fixing sagas in the past) can carry so much weight as does the opinion of genuine superstars like Imran and Miandad.

[OZGOD]

I decided to go back and have a look at the PCB statements back when they put Shoaib on probation for hitting Asif. Back then they had made it clear that further breaches of discipline could lead to a life ban. So all they did was carry out what they said.

Bowler placed on two-year probation Shoaib handed fine and 13-match ban Cricinfo staff October 11, 2007 A hefty fine and a 13-match ban for Shoaib © AFP Shoaib Akhtar has been handed a 13-match ban and a fine of approximately US$57,000 for a number of breaches of discipline, including his spat with Mohammad Asif in South Africa. He has also been placed on a two-year probationary period during which any disciplinary breaches could result in a life ban. A three-man disciplinary committee of the board announced the results of their investigations in to four separate charges against Shoaib. The most serious of the charges was the fight with Asif, but others included playing a charity match without authorisation, making statements to the press about last year's doping case and holding an unauthorised press conference in Pakistan about the incident with Asif, which saw him sent back from Johannesburg. The ban, however, includes the seven matches already played at the ICC World Twenty20 and the two Tests against South Africa. Effectively, it means he will be available for the last ODI against South Africa but more realistically, the tour to India. "We have decided to ban Shoaib for 13 international matches," said Shafqat Naghmi, the Pakistan board's chief operating officer. "These include Tests, ODIs and Twenty20 matches. We have upheld the five-match ban given to him by Talat Ali in South Africa [for hitting Asif] and given him an eight-match ban on top of that. We have also fined him Rs3.4 million. The match-ban will run consecutively." As well as deducting disciplinary points [a component in deciding central contracts] Naghmi added that Shoaib is now on probation and any breach of contract or disciplinary issues could result in a life ban over the next two years. Shoaib, who was present at the press conference, has the right to appeal but said he was eager to put the matter behind him now. "I have apologised to Asif, my team-mates, the country. It was a nightmare for me and something that happened in the heat of the moment. I have suffered enough in the last four weeks. "I want to put this matter behind me now and focus on cricket. I want to thank the board for considering this matter carefully. I will pay what penalties I have to but I want to get ready for India now." The decision to select Shoaib for the India tour, to begin from November 1, or the final ODI against South Africa, will be left to the selectors now. © Cricinfo http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/****...ry/315011.html

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by OZGOD I decided to go back and have a look at the PCB statements back when they put Shoaib on probation for hitting Asif. Back then they had made it clear that further breaches of discipline could lead to a life ban. So all they did was carry out what they said.

yeah...that's the actual thing....
Most people who are speaking against the ban are with the perception that PCB banned him for 5 yrs coz he criticised PCB on that Pentangular thing..

What people are forgetting is that Shoaib was on a period of 2 yr probation after he hit Asif!! It was said that any other breaches of discipline would get him a life ban.In that context, this 5 yr ban appears to be less (though 5 yr does mean that he wouldn't play again coz of his age)...

I was watching Nadia Khan Show and she had Nasim Ashraf on telephone..and he too clarified that this ban is not only for criticising PCB but there were other 5 occasions of breach of discipline from Shoaib...all coming during his probation term!

[the_game]

OZGOD, if he didn't even have a central contract, how did he commit a "breach of contract" is my question.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by the_game OZGOD, if he didn't even have a central contract, how did he commit a "breach of contract" is my question.

read that further...it says 'breach of contract OR DISCIPLINARY ISSUES'..

[Savak]

Originally Posted by pakcricketfan yeah...that's the actual thing.... Most people who are speaking against the ban are with the perception that PCB banned him for 5 yrs coz he criticised PCB on that Pentangular thing.. What people are forgetting is that Shoaib was on a period of 2 yr probation after he hit Asif!! It was said that any other breaches of discipline would get him a life ban.In that context, this 5 yr ban appears to be less (though 5 yr does mean that he wouldn't play again coz of his age)... I was watching Nadia Khan Show and she had Nasim Ashraf on telephone..and he too clarified that this ban is not only for criticising PCB but there were other 5 occasions of breach of discipline from Shoaib...all coming during his probation term!

He should clarify what the breach of discipline was. Speaking out against the poor pitches, speaking out against the PCB for demoting his central contract from 100 to 0 without even bothering to speak to him about it, his late night partying when a lot of our other players were indulging in the same activities as well, his refusal to give DNA a cut of his IPL contract, his refusal to bow to DNA supreme will and command blindly.

What has DNA ever done for Pakistan? He has been living in the US all his life and he only came back when Musharraf came to power and is now destroying the lives of many cricketers due to personality clashes. Why wasnt any action taken against Shoaib Malik for his abscene from the pentangular tournament for 2 games, his shaving of the grass on the pitch in defiance of PCB instructions, Maliks abscence from the selection meeting? When Yousaf had openly signed the ICL contract in defiance of PCB orders and directives why was Yousaf accomodated to the end to return to Pakistan Cricket? Why wasnt the same privellage given to Razzaq? Has Pakistan ever enjoyed a single benefit from DNA's tenure? Can DNA explain why Waqar Younis was so rudely and undiplomatically removed from his contract? Can DNA explain what did the PCB do for the Pakistani players when they were beeing treated as criminals in the West Indies?

If the Shoaib Akhtar decision was taken collectively What about the Australian tour insurance issue was that taken collectively too? Guys the people running the PCB offices are just a bunch of crooks who are hiding their illegal, unjust actions under the cover of discipline, process, procudure, rules and regulations. Can DNA explain the Rs 1.3 billion auditing, corruption scandal at his Human Development Organization of which he is the chairman? Can DNA explain why did he request Rs 874 million in emergency as soon as it became clear that the Musharraf government is falling? Can DNA explain the amounts of money spent on the perks and privelleges beeing enjoyed by the PCB governing council members? Can DNA care to explain what gives him and members of the governing council the right to wear the Pakistani Cricket team blazer green blazer suit when it is suppossed to be earned and not distributed as privellages.

If DNA thinks only he has the right to speak against our players in public and publicly humiliate them and disregard their achievements for the country then he needs to be told to bring it on. He better start counting backwards and his days will be numbered. He is going to regret this decision and will spend the rest of his life wishing he could go back and just give Shoaib a reprimand, a fine, or a ban of 2-3 games for a harmless media statement.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by the_game OZGOD, if he didn't even have a central contract, how did he commit a "breach of contract" is my question.

OK, lets play Devil's Advocate here...sorry, I meant Shoaib's Advocate :-)

Even if he is/was not on PCB's Central Contract; PCB as the Employer can basically stop picking him for selection which would be even worse because they don't have to give an explanation for not picking him!

Any blanket statement like 'We don't have any faith in him as a player and the risks that he brings with him (constant injury threat) is not worthwhile to keep selecting him'...would suffice!

I don't know what the big fuss is about in either case; Shoaib cannot make PCB pick him in the team if they don't want to or can he?

The only way he can do that is by blackmailing PCB via his contacts/supporters and he is doing a pretty job of it...But, once he is back in the team, he will have to be very careful because PCB will be looking for an excuse to kick him out.

So in the end, either way, Shoaib's career is pretty much limited!

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by the_game OZGOD, if he didn't even have a central contract, how did he commit a "breach of contract" is my question.

But you missed this part: any breach of contract or disciplinary issues

When he gets picked to play, he still has to abide by PCB's rules and if he wants to get paid, he will have to be on some sort of contract...

And knowing Shoaib, sooner rather than later he will do something Idiotic to get himself in trouble...you can bet on it!

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by the_game OZGOD, if he didn't even have a central contract, how did he commit a "breach of contract" is my question.

Not sure how it works in Pakistan, but as a Pakistani cricketer, he's still under the jurisdiction of the PCB, them being the national body, right? The central contract is for the retainer that he would have been paid as a "first choice" player - not having this contract doesn't mean he's not under PCB jurisdiction. It's the same as if a domestic player was caught doing drugs and was suspended from cricket - he doesn't have a contract with the PCB but he falls under their jurisdiction. Something like this happened to an OZ player a few years ago - he was banned by CA even though he obviously was just a first grade player and didn't have a contract with them.

Maybe "breach of contract" is not the right word to use - disciplinary issues is more what it fell under.

*EDIT - couple of people beat me to it lol.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by OZGOD Not sure how it works in Pakistan, but as a Pakistani cricketer, he's still under the jurisdiction of the PCB, them being the national body, right? The central contract is for the retainer that he would have been paid as a "first choice" player - not having this contract doesn't mean he's not under PCB jurisdiction. It's the same as if a domestic player was caught doing drugs and was suspended from cricket - he doesn't have a contract with the PCB but he falls under their jurisdiction. Something like this happened to an OZ player a few years ago - he was banned by CA even though he obviously was just a first grade player and didn't have a contract with them. Maybe "breach of contract" is not the right word to use - disciplinary issues is more what it fell under. *EDIT - couple of people beat me to it lol.

Exactly Oz. For example if a player who plays for Northants as an example attacked a team mate, was then given a warning and was under review, and then that player transgressed again, he would still come under the jurisdiction of the ECB, even if he wasnt an international or had no central contract.

[Saj]

I think too many people are making this into a DNA versus Shoaib controversy.

Folk need to look at the wider picture. Both men are at fault here by the way.

[Savak]

Originally Posted by Saj I think too many people are making this into a DNA versus Shoaib controversy. Folk need to look at the wider picture. Both men are at fault here by the way.

This is a DNA vs Shoaib issue now. And i am confident Shoaib will win with flying colors. DNA already booted Razzaq out of the team. DNA has used the team as his playground where he feels he has the right to play with the players as toys and can kick them out once he gets bored with them. Quite comfortably the worst chairman we have ever had. I wish that someone like Tauqir Zia comes back who understands the importance of match winning players. These administrators had a look at the wider picture before they took their decisions. Zia deserves credit for introducing the NCA and took many positive bold steps during his tenure. I honestly believe that he is the only chairman who handled Shoaib Akhtar best, he made sure Akhtar turned up in the field no matter what and had a very uncomplicated relationship with him and never took anything personal. I cant say the same for DNA and Shahryar Khan.

[the_game]

Ok, since disciplinary issues are a big concern even for non-contracted players, why don't the PCB define such actions? How is speaking out against substandard pitches a breach of discipline (when virtually every Tom, Dick and Harry around the world does it)? Are there any particularly controversial comments from Shoaib that I am missing here? Except for the fact that he spoke out against the policies of the board on domestic pitches and the ridiculous decision to not provide him with a central contract when the likes of Rao, Rehman and Akmal still have contracts (who haven't done jack sh*t in the past 12 months, mind you)?

[Saj]

This is a DNA vs Shoaib issue now. And i am confident Shoaib will win with flying colors

It might be for you, but the welfare of Pakistani cricket is more important to me and ensuring our future fast bowlers dont go the same way as Akhtar did.

DNA already booted Razzaq out of the team

See my comments in the Razzaq thread. The man was a liability in the team.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by the_game Ok, since disciplinary issues are a big concern even for non-contracted players, why don't the PCB define such actions? How is speaking out against substandard pitches a breach of discipline (when virtually every Tom, Dick and Harry around the world does it)? Are there any particularly controversial comments from Shoaib that I am missing here? Except for the fact that he spoke out against the policies of the board on domestic pitches and the ridiculous decision to not provide him with a central contract when the likes of Rao, Rehman and Akmal still have contracts (who haven't done jack sh*t in the past 12 months, mind you)?

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[Saj]

Originally Posted by the_game Ok, since disciplinary issues are a big concern even for non-contracted players, why don't the PCB define such actions? How is speaking out against substandard pitches a breach of discipline (when virtually every Tom, Dick and Harry around the world does it)? Are there any particularly controversial comments from Shoaib that I am missing here? Except for the fact that he spoke out against the policies of the board on domestic pitches and the ridiculous decision to not provide him with a central contract when the likes of Rao, Rehman and Akmal still have contracts (who haven't done jack sh*t in the past 12 months, mind you)?

the_game, in my opinion the 5 year ban is wrong and I think most people agree with that.

However you are just looking at just this one incident. How many controversies has Akhtar been involved in - 15, 20 perhaps and those are just the ones that the press have got hold of.

I would love to see some of the managers and captains feedback reports to the Board when overseas tours have ended and what they have said about Akhtar.

[Wazeeri]

the_game, in my opinion the 5 year ban is wrong and I think most people agree with that.

Most people are 12 year old kids.

[feather]

I think the ban is fully justified. Considering now that he has been sued both by PCB & DNA...with ICC ready to ban him for year as well.

[Wazeeri]

I don't care for the legal arguments, whether you flush it or dig a hole and dump it.
It's good riddance to bad rubbish.

[161]

Originally Posted by feather I think the ban is fully justified. Considering now that he has been sued both by PCB & DNA...with ICC ready to ban him for year as well.

why don't u try keeping ur feet on the ground and try not to jump to preposterous conclusions.

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by Monsee So what is the number of games this Tamashaa has played for Pak in the last 2-3 years...it is not like he has been playing non-stop for us! Even if he gets inducted in the team, how many games he will play in the next 3-4 years before his career comes to a pathetic end?

Well, Tamassha ...and Nautankee- that's as a matter of fact what you create here by singing and dancing hysterically whenever a Shoaib issue is being discussed.... and deliriously proclaiming the end of his career. We have been here before, haven't we? And exactly what has bene the outcome?

If he has not played much in the last 2-3 years, what's the big deal then in the views of Imran and Miandad etc.? Ever thought about it?

Shoaib's career would not end in a pathetic way in the manner like your certain hero trudged off into oblivion ignominously - mark my words - it will simply not happen.

Now if you excuse me, I'm off from PP again but will aurely visit again to yet again enquire as to why all the bitter and hate-ridden predictions of the haters went up in smoke........ when the dust in this case settles. You continue meaningless banter and blabber, but remember, what you are proclaiming will not happen and Shoaib will yet again paste eggs on his haters' and on Nasim Ashraf's face.

As a side-note, the most punished and disciplined player in the history of cricket - one who got sized up time and again by the ICC, and also once infamously by national match-fixing commission - one whose career entails a littered travail of misdemeanors and tantrums directed at officials or at .....ahem...spectators....... happens to be none other than your retired hero.

[pakistanbest]

no ban. shoaib akhtar will be back with DNA kicked out. this may be a blessing in disguise.

[Wazeeri]

DNA was on his way out anyway. The new government has settled and attention will soon turn to cricket. A few days ago there were rumours of DNA's removal being considerd before the Shoaib saga.

I hope we can get rid of both these guys in one go.

[qaiser]

shoaib akhtar v/s nasim ashraf
battle of idiots