Pak V WI Test 1 - Day 3 discussion thread [28/5/05]

[MIG]

WI 164/4 - Total Lead = 364 !

Ok I know we all fear the worst but could Day 3 be when Pak turn the match on its head ? ( dont bet on it but worth a thought !)

Anyway, place your updates/thougts on todays play in this thread.... Good Luck Pakistan....

[tahaqureshi]

I personally think we can and we will (Inshallah) turn this match on its head..

Just watch....

[tahaqureshi]

But I still maintain that we can win this test match. I doubt we can draw it, the game has progressed to quickly for a draw, there will only be an definitve result..

If we restrict them to 450 or less, then our batsmen should have enough time to chase. And as waheed mentioned, the track seem sto get better and better for batting, so no reason why we should crumble again. These collapses happen, but not ALWAYS, the same way MIRCALES dont happen always. Inshallah the second innings will be played much more resonsibly..

[Hash]

If we can restrict their lead to 450 odd.....

we will need a classic Afridi innings

Plus probably two centuries. Who is 'capable' of scoring a century?

Butt
Hameed
Younis Khan
Kamran Akmal
Asim Kamal

We will need two of these to click (most likely to be Butt and Khan saab)

Then we will need three or four the rest (Bazid, Razzaq, Rana, plus the other three from above) to chip in with 50s.

It is a long shot.........highly improbable. But the pitch is not showing any signs of crumbling, the windies have no spinners, their bowling traditionally gets knackered out in the 2nd innings, there is plenty of time and I would hope our batsman would have at least learnt something from the first innings.

As I said, highly improbable. But I just have a gut feeling. Something deep down tells me we are going to win this match.

[Faisal Akhtar]

Keep it simple and not lose wickets.

- Afridi should be sent lower down. 30 - 50 quickfire runs would be good.

- Salman Butt needs to stay at the wicket and score big. Needs to start converting his 20's - 30's into 100's.

- Yasir Hameed...... needs to get rid of his fishing rod. A solid 60 - 80 is required from this man.

- Younis Khan needs to show more responsibilty in his batting, needs to learn from his mistakes - get rid of the pull shot. Needs a big partnership with someone, atleast a 100 required from him.

- Bazid Khan, show us what ur made of. A 50 from him would be useful.

- Asim Kamal, if theres anyone who can save this match then its this man. Show the rest how its done Asim. Needs to get his maiden test century.

- Abdul Razzaq, unlucky in the 1st innings. Was undone by Shep rather than good bowling. Needs atleast a 50.

- Kamran Akmal, a 30 odd would be usefull. Anything more would be a bonus.

Salman > 100
Yasir > 70
Younis > 100
Bazid > 50
Asim > 100
Razzaq > 50
Afridi > 40
Kamran > 30

If they all score well, then were looking at a score of 540

[adi 101]

hmmmmmmmm to be honest i dout we will win or draw but if we had inzamam, yousuf and malik in the team then i would have said we stand a chance. Although westindies are in the habit of losing so maybe they will make more mistakes and hopefully we will win!!!!!

[karachiite]

I think we are looking at a target round about 450. We should be in to bat by tea time at the latest. That leaves us with half of the test match to get the runs.

There is a lot of reverse swing around and how edwards performs in the second innings would hold the key to how the windies perform. He seemed to pick up a niggle in the first innings. Lets hope he does a shoaib and sits out the send innings.

[adi 101]

we need the experience of inzy and yoyo in this situation a quick fire of 30 from afridi wont do everyone will need to contribute big time

[MIG]

I think Afridi should do what he almost did in Bangalore - go in and score those quick runs which sets panic in the WI camp ... hold him back and he wont be that successful.

[karachiite]

We cant exactly hold afridi back. I think best thing would be to open with him. Windies will attack early so most fielders would be close in and he might get away with a few miscues. Dont expect anything from him. Anything he does should be a bonus.

Post afridi, all our batsmen should be looking to bat 2 sessions each and if 3 of them can do that then we WILL win the game.

[adi 101]

no one in the world can hold afridi back but he should bat with some inteligence

[Hussain]

i have said it before on PP
tht Afridi Rana Kaneria and Shabbir
are all capable of getting quick wickets so if they get WI out for under 200 (as their batting minus Lara and Chanderpaul is fragile )
then we can expect our team to chase 400

considering tht Younis, Asim , Afridi are all in gud form
and if supported by Hameed, Butt ,Razzak and Kamran
we do get a formidable bating line up

[arsal_pakfan]

its good to read the optimistic post here!

but persoanlly i dont feel we will cross even 175-200 mark chasing the Westindies total in the 2nd total

[Hussain]

WI still have a weaker bowling line up on paper
and i personally feel tht wht happened yesterday was just a one time phenomenon ( or we choked under the favourite tag)

and i dont expect it to happen again so Pakistan can even now give WI a real scare

[DM]

We should give Afridi and Kaneria prolonged spells this morning if we're planning to take the new ball as soon as it's available (30ish overs)

[Hussain]

is nt the ew ball due after 80 overs ?

[tahaqureshi]

I think they got the new ball when the windies second innings started...

And they played 46 overs yesterday..so add 30ish today and you get 80

[z10]

lol...its gr8 2 c optimism here....but....i wud jus like 2 say dat butt, afridi and hameed r 1 day batsman....they dont have the temperament to last two whole sessions

bazid is new so more than likely will not stand the pressure and that leaves only two recognised batsman of whom a lot was expected in the first innings but neither y.khan or asim delivered.

after them we have the two heroes from mohali....but surely lightning can;t strike twice

and remember 400+ scores have only been chased twice successsfully b4

optimism is gud...but perhaps we need a reality check

altho i hope im proven wrong

[MIG]

I think we should bowl Afridi now and then give him the new ball as well ( to bowl bouncers)

[The_Cricket_Devil]

i donno why but i feel its a plan that if we can get windies out before the end of today with them having a lead of 500 at best then we will have ample time to just defend and get our eyes in and easily get the runs its a plan i tell ya guys its a plan by woolmer chacha

[Hussain]

we need to get the WI out for 200 podd runs to keep ourselves in a fighting chance in the game

[zzzzzz]

Possible but highly unlikely

[deviously~fading~away]

Afridi needs to bowl to the tail!!! This was a big mistake YK made in the 1st inning. He can wrap them up with his faster one. Remember how he bowled kumble in his 1st over 2nd ball in Banglore when the whole team was unable to get him out!

In batting i am sure afridi will open. I think we need another magical knock like his 141 against India to win this. Afridi should know that he is a senior in the team and needs to perform weather he bats at 1 or 8 position! He gave us the breakthrough by his bowling but now he has to perform in the 2nd inning.

[DM]

Originally Posted by Shez Afridi needs to bowl to the tail!!! This was a big mistake YK made in the 1st inning. He can wrap them up with his faster one. Remember how he bowled kumble in his 1st over 2nd ball in Banglore when the whole team was unable to get him out! .

Agreed 100%

[DM]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen I think we should bowl Afridi now and then give him the new ball as well ( to bowl bouncers)

I love it! )

[Amir]

Hah, Afridi bowls at 80, so does Razzaq, maybe Akmal should stand up to the stumps for Razzler and Back to Afridi

Moroever, I can bet there will not be much discussion today seeing how bad Pak is doing. Oh well, we just have to get Chanderpaul early.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

plz keep all score updates here

[z10]

we jus have to get one of these two then we can wrap up the tail for within 40-50 runs

[MecnunK]

what's currently happening? why has'nt it started yet?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

just about to start - pitch report at minute


pak have never totalled above 350 when batting in 4th innings

highest 341-9 pak vs windies in 1988

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

rana has started - first bowl outside off

[tahaqureshi]

shouldn't we have used the spinners first?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

there is some swing early in morning

had swing early on first day

had swing early on second day(fidel edwards)

it seems little overcast - and rana is getting a little movement

[z10]

here we go...three balls, no runs gud so far

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

at end of first over of day 168-4 - lead by 369


commentators say it is humid/muggy

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

shabbir on fom joel garner end

[Amir]

Manjy claims warmest day in the test match, so looks like rain will not help us here.

[tahaqureshi]

commentators say it is humid/muggy

That means our bowlers should get a lot of swing..

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

chanderpaul drives for 4 - a half volley from shabbir

[Amir]

Some good away movement fromt he left hand batsmen, but does not look that threatening.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

shabbir now coming round the wicket

[tahaqureshi]

they never learn!!!!

[Amir]

Four runs for Chanderpaul, looks like they are in a positive mode.

[Amir]

I feel coming around is a defensive tatic to stop runs, we are not going to get Chanderpauls wicket this way.

[w4s1m786]

4 by chanderpaul

[tahaqureshi]

So far from what I know, both the bowlers have bowled a very wide of off stump line...

not good

[z10]

perhaps dey don't wqant to get the batsman out

it makes sense...if windies bat all today....and it rains 2moro...we only ahve to survive fifth day

[pakmandanish]

hmm...
so real no chance for rain!?
of not it will be close..

[tahaqureshi]

Rana trying different things to bowl to lefty

[tahaqureshi]

Rana bowling well 2 hinds....

2 maidens today for him...out of 2 overs

[z10]

like i sed....if u frustrate them they get out...and in the mean time u waste time....

[pak_all_the_way]

shabbir bowling offline

dont know wot the plan is

[pak_all_the_way]

crowd more interesting than cricket

[Amir]

Yeah, very defensive bowling...

[pak_all_the_way]

no ball by rana

[pak_all_the_way]

rana bowling well, very full looking for swing

[pak_all_the_way]

cut by shiv for 4

[Amir]

Looks like Pakistan is trying to slow things down and hold the runs back, so it takes Windies time to get runs and then giving pak less time to bat, but still, pak will bat 2 days no matter what which is difficult.

[z10]

wat r the conditions like...im not watching the match 2day.....

[pak_all_the_way]

dont look like anything in the pitch

no ball by shabbir

[Shayan]

wouldn't it be awesome if Afridi won us this match with a crazy innings.

[tahaqureshi]

wouldn't it be awesome if Afridi won us this match with a crazy innings.

It certainly would.....

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

that is the dream shayan - but afridi would have to provide a herculean effort

[pak_all_the_way]

186-4

[tahaqureshi]

poor fielding costs 2 runs!!!!!!

this is unacceptable

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

afridi loosening up!!!!!!!


and is on to bowl


THE AFRIDI IS ON

[pak_all_the_way]

windies lead by 367

afrdi on

[Shayan]

AFRIDI BOWLING!!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

afridi is on, first ball was a no ball but he followed through and was 2 feet away from batsman and glared at him!!!

[tahaqureshi]

2 noballs already!!!!!!!!!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

loud shout - close to underedge - NOT OUT and rightly so - close

[Shayan]

big appeal.. not given by Shep.. didn't look out on replay, good decision for once.

[Shayan]

excellent first over by Afridi.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

afridi beats hinds a couple of times]


THE AFRIDI IS OTHE ONLY ONE OUT THERE SHOWING FIGHT!

[tahaqureshi]

tosses up, outside off, goes for the drive, misses it, huge shout for catch behind, looks like a faint inside edge through to keeper, karman takes a it after 3rd attempt, appeal declines

[DM]

OOOOH, CLOSE BY AFRIDI!

[pak_all_the_way]

afridi fired up

reminds me of bagalore
come on you pathan!

[Shayan]

50 for Chanderpaul.. another good solid innings by the captain.

[tahaqureshi]

excellent first over by Afridi.

2 no balls........NOT excellent

[DM]

Great bowling by Shahid