Hashim Amla vs Muslim Cricketers of IPL

[hussain_0216]

Originally Posted by imranahmed_khan Mate ANYTHING done excessively is harmful! Eating fries excesively doesn't make you commit incest, rape, burgulary, murder or vandalism. While fries are also harmful, the damage is limited to a person and its his own choice to do so. Drinking excessively effects the society as well as to the person who does it. Are you too thick to get it ??

Brilliantly put

[Boys_played_well]

Originally Posted by imranahmed_khan Mate ANYTHING done excessively is harmful! Eating fries excesively doesn't make you commit incest, rape, burgulary, murder or vandalism. While fries are also harmful, the damage is limited to a person and its his own choice to do so. Drinking excessively effects the society as well as to the person who does it. Are you too thick to get it ??

Let's do a "thickness test" to see which one of us is suffering here, shall we?

Drinking alcohol excessively impairs judgment and MAY cause some to commit those crimes you listed. Does this mean we should discourage alcohol for everyone in general? does this make alcohol a bad thing? What about those of us who drink in moderation?

If your answers to the above are yes, I would like to point that practicing religion too should be banned and outlawed. Quite clearly, some people take their ideology too far and abuse it (much like some might abuse alcohol) and then commit horrendous crimes like bombings, killings, etc. This definitely harms society as a whole. Don't you agree?

Your thoughtless reasoning can be extended quite easily to anything really. My advice is think objectively about an issue, with an open mind... not with Right and Wrong already decided in your head. Abuse of alcohol by an individual can be a burden on society, but so can abuse of many other things, physical, ideological, imaginary, etc. Rather than outlawing all and sundry, it's the abusers you need to target and reign in.


What you also basically said was, as long as a person is harming himself ONLY (by eating lots of fries for example) it is OK but when his actions start hurting others, THEN we should have a problem. Let us legalize all kinds of drugs since drugs are an individual choice and will most likely affect the individual himself. Drugs are as likely to be forced down someone's throat as fries are, so no threat to society there!

[Boys_played_well]

Not to mention, can you please share with us some data that shows a correlation between drinking alcohol and:

1. Incest
2. Murder
3. Rape
4. Burglary (this one was hilarious btw)

Since you seem to be knowledgeable, please eliminate all other potential factors that may have caused these actions in the data you share with us, and show a direct impact of alcohol in influencing these crimes.

So you need to eliminate things like family history and upbringing, personal/professional discontent, poverty, desperation, personality traits, etc and show how none of these, but alcohol caused the crimes you mentioned.

Good luck!

[moumotta]

Amla has taken a stand on what he believes in and we should rightly applaud him for that. Do we know if he had to suffer a pay cut for not wearing the sponsor's logo.

If yes than double kudos to Amla. If not then spare some applause for the SA cricket board and the sponsor who made an exception for his beliefs.

I hope the cricket board is segregating its accounts well so that any funding from the liquor sponsorship does not leak into Amla's pay.

[MIG]

Amla took a principaled stand.

He removed a logo from his shirt that hurt HIS conscience.

The way some posters are taking on that chap is like he committed a crime!

Whether the income stream he gets is connected to alcohol or not is NOT in his control. He has to make a living. He does not live in a Muslim country.

He probably asked the Board and they agreed for which they should be commended.

[Joseph K.]

Originally Posted by Zechariah Its a personal issue, if Hamla wishes not to wear it then he has every right to do so, it all depends on his intention... A picture of a bear on your shirt has no effects whatsoever on your faith unless your intention is to promote it.

[f.b.m]

Whatever. The guy doesnt like to promote alcohol for whatever reason. Same as someone who doesnt want to promote pharmaceuticals for moral reasons.
Perfectly fine. Some others dont want to: So?

Why did this thread get 85 replies?

[PakPassionate]

u can ask any muslim scholar and he will tell u that it is indeed forbidden to have those advertisements....
as is working for a hotel that sells alcohol....

if anyone chooses money over religion then that is his/her own problem but the fact is that the above mentioned things r forbidden in Islam....

so well done amla!!!!
and others, if u r serious about ur religion, do follow suit....

[Boys_played_well]

Originally Posted by MIG Amla took a principaled stand. He removed a logo from his shirt that hurt HIS conscience. The way some posters are taking on that chap is like he committed a crime! Whether the income stream he gets is connected to alcohol or not is NOT in his control. He has to make a living. He does not live in a Muslim country. He probably asked the Board and they agreed for which they should be commended.

I don't think anyone is questioning Amla's decision. His decision, it's his income, everyone should/will respect his decision.

Unfortunately, some religiously inclined posters have taken this opportunity to go on an anti-alcohol crusade. That is what is causing most of the discussion here.

[Obeid]

Originally Posted by Boys_played_well I don't think anyone is questioning Amla's decision. His decision, it's his income, everyone should/will respect his decision. Unfortunately, some religiously inclined posters have taken this opportunity to go on an anti-alcohol crusade. That is what is causing most of the discussion here.

What Amla did was great and itd be nice if other muslim cricketers did the same but thats not the case and its their own decision on what they do and one should not point fingers. The thing on alcohol...well its one of the filthiest substances on this planet. One drop leads to one glass. One glass leads to several bottles, which then leads to daily consumption, and eventually addiction. It sneaks onto people without them even expecting it. I have seen several people fall into this trap and not just with alcohol but also with drugs/smoking. The negative effects such substances have on many societies is detrimental. I know these two kids from my high school who both seemed as if they were decent kids. There was a party several months ago in which both got drunk and one of em (the boy) raped the girl and the girl ended up getting pregnant. Instances such as these are rampant in the US which is why one sees MANY single mothers with children to raise. People say "Oh if you drink alcohol in moderation its ok", but the fact of the matter is, MANY people dont.

[switchblade]

Its funny though that inspite of Alcohol being attributed as the leading cause of crime, the world's most bloodthirsty terrorists seem to be teetotallers

Doubt if Osama or Zarqawi who butchered thousands of US civilians were drunk when they did that..

[Jeevs]

Originally Posted by Saj Its all about principles and what the individual wants to do and what he/she feels is right for them. I've found myself in a similar situation with PP wherein we have been contacted by gambling companies wanting to advertise their forums on our site with banners linking to their site and offering us good money to do it. However we felt that it wasnt right and would have put off some of our members - again its a difficult situation isnt it.

A hypothetical question for you Saj. Suppose PP was displaying banner ads promoting a brand of beef and I as a Hindu approached you asking for these ads to be removed, what would your response/approach be?

Serious question... not trying to score any points...

[JeeraBlade]

Originally Posted by Jeevs A hypothetical question for you Saj. Suppose PP was displaying banner ads promoting a brand of beef and I as a Hindu approached you asking for these ads to be removed, what would your response/approach be? Serious question... not trying to score any points...

why not ask him to stop eating beef?

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Jeevs A hypothetical question for you Saj. Suppose PP was displaying banner ads promoting a brand of beef and I as a Hindu approached you asking for these ads to be removed, what would your response/approach be? Serious question... not trying to score any points...

By and large, the users, owners, admin of this forum are Pakistani / Muslim - and Gambling conflicts with the majority of its user base's belief system.

Eating beef doesnt conflict with the above group's belief system - so we would politely tell you that those ads would remain.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by switchblade Its funny though that inspite of Alcohol being attributed as the leading cause of crime, the world's most bloodthirsty terrorists seem to be teetotallers Doubt if Osama or Zarqawi who butchered thousands of US civilians were drunk when they did that..

One mans terrorist - another mans fighter - another thread

[Jeevs]

Originally Posted by Oxy By and large, the users, owners, admin of this forum are Pakistani / Muslim - and Gambling conflicts with the majority of its user base's belief system. Eating beef doesnt conflict with the above group's belief system - so we would politely tell you that those ads would remain.

Great... Thanks... Your reply would have been my reply... But the point of my question (and the answer I got) was this...

If we are to applaud Hashim for standing up for his beliefs then we need to applaud Castle Lager equally. They could easily have said what Mig has said above but they didn't and that allowed Hashim to keep his principles AND earn a living. Just as we rail against those that take our sensibilities for granted we must also to appreciate those that are willing to take on board other's sensitivity.

BTW, am a beef eating Hindu so my original question was indeed very hypothetical.

[observer1]

Originally Posted by Jeevs Great... Thanks... Your reply would have been my reply... But the point of my question (and the answer I got) was this... If we are to applaud Hashim for standing up for his beliefs then we need to applaud Castle Lager equally. They could easily have said what Mig has said above but they didn't and that allowed Hashim to keep his principles AND earn a living. Just as we rail against those that take our sensibilities for granted we must also to appreciate those that are willing to take on board other's sensitivity. BTW, am a beef eating Hindu so my original question was indeed very hypothetical.

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I thought Castle Lager was doing this as an advertisement to make more money, not for Beleifs....

[Jeevs]

Originally Posted by observer1 ? I thought Castle Lager was doing this as an advertisement to make more money, not for Beleifs....

Indeed... but they could have insisted that Hashim wear their logo as it was a contractual obligation and in "their" society wearing a beer logo is not offensive..

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by switchblade Its funny though that inspite of Alcohol being attributed as the leading cause of crime, the world's most bloodthirsty terrorists seem to be teetotallers Doubt if Osama or Zarqawi who butchered thousands of US civilians were drunk when they did that..

yes and the murderer(s) of over 600,000 iraqi's is a known drunkard..explain that one then clever clogs??

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Jeevs BTW, am a beef eating Hindu so my original question was indeed very hypothetical.

And I'm a non-beef eating Muslim

[Saqlain_doosra]

It's up to players if they want to advertise alcohol. I'm sure there is no harm in discussing the topic. There is no need to get over emotional about discussion on the topic. Oh yeah there is big difference in alcohol and french fries. Just to confirm I'll ask one of the drinking mate about difference.

[Blitzkrieg]

i read a post here that they got adds from a bettig company which they didnt put on the site cause betting is againt islam.......so is islamic matronomial site allowed in islam????putting girls pictures on the net???
just curious about it!

[switchblade]

Originally Posted by Oxy And I'm a non-beef eating Muslim

I am a beef eating hindu.. infact, I eat more beef than most desi muslims for sure.. daily more than once a day

[switchblade]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan yes and the murderer(s) of over 600,000 iraqi's is a known drunkard..explain that one then clever clogs??

And the murderer of 6 million jews, 20 million russians and 22 million germans was a VEGETARIAN and TEETOTALLER as well

Does that mean all vegetarians are psychopathic racist mass murderers ?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg i read a post here that they got adds from a bettig company which they didnt put on the site cause betting is againt islam.......so is islamic matronomial site allowed in islam????putting girls pictures on the net??? just curious about it!

There is a thread about matrimonial site, must be on page 2 now, but my understanding is that websites cannot completly control which ads google or some other site will display. Well when I read your message the banner was a matrimonial site. so click on it as it helps

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg i read a post here that they got adds from a bettig company which they didnt put on the site cause betting is againt islam.......so is islamic matronomial site allowed in islam????putting girls pictures on the net??? just curious about it!

You're not curious - just ignorant.

Nothing wrong with Muslim Matrimonial sites! Thats how many many people get married, esp Muslims!

Dont sensationalise 'girls pictures on the net' as if it something sordid - we arent talking cheerleaders, we are talking modestly attired ladies!

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by switchblade I am a beef eating hindu.. infact, I eat more beef than most desi muslims for sure.. daily more than once a day

I cant even look at the stuff...

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg i read a post here that they got adds from a bettig company which they didnt put on the site cause betting is againt islam.......so is islamic matronomial site allowed in islam????putting girls pictures on the net??? just curious about it!

Your simplicity worries me.

[switchblade]

Originally Posted by Oxy I cant even look at the stuff...

If all plants and vegetables died in the world, I could live off hunting and eating anything that moves..

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally Posted by Oxy You're not curious - just ignorant. Nothing wrong with Muslim Matrimonial sites! Thats how many many people get married, esp Muslims! Dont sensationalise 'girls pictures on the net' as if it something sordid - we arent talking cheerleaders, we are talking modestly attired ladies!

well it was a serious question but if u cnt answer it a serious way....letz troll each other then....
did i touch your sensative side with that post??cause they way u replied i think it did hurt......

[Wasim_Waqar]

I don't smoke or drink...but I am a Liverpool fan and wear the t-shirt.

I think if people don't want to wear alcohol-brand sportswear, they shouldn't have to....fan or professional, it doesn't matter.

But I don't think that we should pinpoint whether they should/shouldn't be wearing them. That is up to the person themselves.

However, it is not nice to call threads like these idiotic...they are a point of view concerning someone's interpretation of religion, and so this kind of opinion may be seen as being very nasty by some people.

[Kriketer]

What is so idiotic about this post mr. Switchboard or Crusader? Alcohol in general is not good for your health, and a good Muslim is not supposed to be attached with alcohol drinking or promotion in any way.

And it really saddens me seeing some of the Muslims supporting such an act....i guess you would call be a Mullah or Terrorist too. I believe a little knowledge and understanding of Islam would certainly help. It's not just Islam, if you look from a moral point of view, promotion of any bad thing which harms your health is not just, be it alcohol, cigarrete, etc.

[observer1]

Originally Posted by Kriketer What is so idiotic about this post mr. Switchboard or Crusader? Alcohol in general is not good for your health, and a good Muslim is not supposed to be attached with alcohol drinking or promotion in any way. And it really saddens me seeing some of the Muslims supporting such an act....i guess you would call be a Mullah or Terrorist too. I believe a little knowledge and understanding of Islam would certainly help. It's not just Islam, if you look from a moral point of view, promotion of any bad thing which harms your health is not just, be it alcohol, cigarrete, etc.

Post o' the Year..

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by switchblade And the murderer of 6 million jews, 20 million russians and 22 million germans was a VEGETARIAN and TEETOTALLER as well Does that mean all vegetarians are psychopathic racist mass murderers ?

not saying they are...i was answering your rant on the past post...it doesnt matter whetehr your a drunkard or a vegetarian..(i guess modi is a veggie and look what he allowed in gujrat?)...what im saying is alchohol abuse leads to societal breakdown....look at the UK..its a mess thanks to increased alchohol consumption...800-1000 people a year die of alchohol related diseases and their ages range from 12-65....80% of women in the uk drink the majority heavily binge drink!....the majority of men drink... a large majority drink more than they should...

it leads to high rates of teen pregnancy, drug abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse of both men and women, the monopolisation of the police's time, NHS monopolisation, depression, bad hygiene, divorce, destruction of the pillars of society....and its slow and insidious!!...

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by Kriketer What is so idiotic about this post mr. Switchboard or Crusader? Alcohol in general is not good for your health, and a good Muslim is not supposed to be attached with alcohol drinking or promotion in any way. And it really saddens me seeing some of the Muslims supporting such an act....i guess you would call be a Mullah or Terrorist too. I believe a little knowledge and understanding of Islam would certainly help. It's not just Islam, if you look from a moral point of view, promotion of any bad thing which harms your health is not just, be it alcohol, cigarrete, etc.

Alcohol is not good for health and why only muslim? I feel no one should be promoting alcohol. Irrespective of religion. No religion says that alcohol is good. does any?

Now back to reality. We are in a world where alcohol is accepted as a drink and people like to drink it. Some moderate level, some extreme and some don't.

So if we consider the best case scenario, I will be happy if no one promotes it and we see decrease in alcohol consumption. Till then encourage the individual who is doing it. Hopefully more and more people will join it .

[Bangla Tiger]

Originally Posted by Hash No it isn't. It is a Pakistan cricket forum.

if this is not a muslim forum because some members here are not muslim, then this cannot be a pakistani forum because, clearly, not all members are pakistani.

that logic, whilst linear, is facetious.

however, if this is a pakistani cricket forum, and pakistan exists not for nationalistic reasons, but religious reasons, it would by extension, mean that all pakistani forums are, in some way "muslim-related" forums.

[Bangla Tiger]

[QUOTE=Crusader]
BTW I know many muslims who drink alcohol regularly. However, they dont kill people unlike many who does so in the name of religion.

QUOTE]

i know many muslims who lie, but they don't kill people either. are we to believe that lying is a virtue?

besides, none of the muslims players listed above have killed anyone, so its rather unfair to drag their names into the mud.

[Informer]

Hi. I am not a muslim and I admire Hashim for the stance he has taken in what he believes in.

[Tupac]

quick question. If you were in Engineer and you were offered a job in a big corporation like...let's say Molson or Labatt, would you take it? Let's make the salary 100 000 and the job title...quality control engineer. Your job is to work with machinery and ensure the pumps are efficient.

[Informer]

Originally Posted by Tupac quick question. If you were in Engineer and you were offered a job in a big corporation like...let's say Molson or Labatt, would you take it? Let's make the salary 100 000 and the job title...quality control engineer. Your job is to work with machinery and ensure the pumps are efficient.

If you were offered a well paid job in Mugabe's army and your job was to plan to nationalise white owned farms would you accept it?

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Tupac quick question. If you were in Engineer and you were offered a job in a big corporation like...let's say Molson or Labatt, would you take it? Let's make the salary 100 000 and the job title...quality control engineer. Your job is to work with machinery and ensure the pumps are efficient.

I'm sure thats down to the individual, and how they wish to interpret 'not dealing with alcohol'. Everyone will have a different interpretation and their decison will be based on that.

I wouldnt think any less of Hashim Amla if wore the full Castle shirt. Yu could argue he has less control over what he wears than say a cricket Franchise created a month ago, that have actively recruited you to play domestic matches.

Basically, there is no right or wrong response to your question.

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Bangla Tiger if this is not a muslim forum because some members here are not muslim, then this cannot be a pakistani forum because, clearly, not all members are pakistani. that logic, whilst linear, is facetious. however, if this is a pakistani cricket forum, and pakistan exists not for nationalistic reasons, but religious reasons, it would by extension, mean that all pakistani forums are, in some way "muslim-related" forums.

Top post, you have lot of sense in your post.

[Garuda]

Brilliant comment of high court bench on PIL against liquor brand in IPL. If you do not want to advertise liquor then do not hype. These PILs are only doing more publicity to liquor brands.


A Bench of Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justices R V Raveendran and M K Sharma was in no mood to entertain the PIL, terming it as misconceived and an overreaction on the part of the petitioner. “A person who does not drink, does not know what the logo of the liquor brand looks like. This petition will only do the advertisement for the liquor logo,” the Bench said. The Bench said: “Why do you look for liquor in cricket? Liquor is freely available in the country... those who drink know about it. Watch cricket and do not look for liquor in it.”

[Boys_played_well]

Originally Posted by Bangla Tiger if this is not a muslim forum because some members here are not muslim, then this cannot be a pakistani forum because, clearly, not all members are pakistani. that logic, whilst linear, is facetious. however, if this is a pakistani cricket forum, and pakistan exists not for nationalistic reasons, but religious reasons, it would by extension, mean that all pakistani forums are, in some way "muslim-related" forums.

Makes no sense.

This is a forum for Pakistan cricket fans, they need not be Pakistani. I am a fan of Sri Lankan cricket, West Indies cricket and Indian cricket along with Pakistan cricket (naturally).

And just to correct you, Pakistan does not exist for religious reasons! That would mean Pakistan exists for Islam...which is absurd. Anyone who has spent time in Pakistan would know just how muslim the country is. Scratch beneath the surface. Thanks.

[Lara400]

Originally Posted by Boys_played_well Makes no sense. This is a forum for Pakistan cricket fans, they need not be Pakistani. I am a fan of Sri Lankan cricket, West Indies cricket and Indian cricket along with Pakistan cricket (naturally). And just to correct you, Pakistan does not exist for religious reasons! That would mean Pakistan exists for Islam...which is absurd. Anyone who has spent time in Pakistan would know just how muslim the country is. Scratch beneath the surface. Thanks.

Just because of what it is now does not mean it was not formed on the basis of Islam.

[SameerM]

primary function of this forum would be to discuss aLL things related to CRICKET.
secondary objective, anything Pakistan related
3rdly - anyyy thing else u can think of

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by Boys_played_well Makes no sense. This is a forum for Pakistan cricket fans, they need not be Pakistani. I am a fan of Sri Lankan cricket, West Indies cricket and Indian cricket along with Pakistan cricket (naturally). And just to correct you, Pakistan does not exist for religious reasons! That would mean Pakistan exists for Islam...which is absurd. Anyone who has spent time in Pakistan would know just how muslim the country is. Scratch beneath the surface. Thanks.

lol..what has an issue to do with hashim amla got to do with teh reason deitre of Pakistan? you should open up another thread if you want to discuss this...we all know Hash's idea's about that and hence his particualr response..we also know yours so not surprised...but open another thread to discuss it..oh wait i think there was anotehr thread started ages ago..search for it and bump it up if your that eager to debate the issue...

[Boys_played_well]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan lol..what has an issue to do with hashim amla got to do with teh reason deitre of Pakistan? you should open up another thread if you want to discuss this...we all know Hash's idea's about that and hence his particualr response..we also know yours so not surprised...but open another thread to discuss it..oh wait i think there was anotehr thread started ages ago..search for it and bump it up if your that eager to debate the issue...

I didn't see you advising bangla tiger of the same when he was posting how Islamic the forum needs to be

[Bangla Tiger]

Originally Posted by Boys_played_well I didn't see you advising bangla tiger of the same when he was posting how Islamic the forum needs to be

i wasn't saying that this forum HAD to be islamic; it already IS "islamic" in the sense that the majority of forum posters/members/viewers are muslim. hence, bashing the thread starter for his views (views which i share, btw) shouldn't go unquestioned.

Pakistan, i agree, is a hypocritical "islamic" state, just as the other 50 odd "muslim" countries out there. but what i was saying was that the sole reason pakistan exists as an independent state (and by extension bangladesh as well) rather than both countries being states within modern India, is because of islam. thats to say that all muslims supported the two nation theory, but the reason for the two nation theory goes back to the muslim idea that they should always rule themselves.

there may have been other reasons for the partition in 1947, but religion remains numero uno. as such PP is a "muslim" forum, which by no means that members of other faiths can't post their views. it just means that if one wants to debate something, debate the points, rather than saying that cannot be posted here.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by Boys_played_well I didn't see you advising bangla tiger of the same when he was posting how Islamic the forum needs to be

coz he's not saying that...get that chip off your shoulder just because your a secularist!!

[Mohsin]

Well looks like the PCB are concerned:

The Pakistan Cricket Board have voiced their concern over Misbah-ul-Haq's association with the Royal Challengers Indian Premier League team. Royal Challengers is a spirit brand of the Vijay Mallya-owned United Breweries (UB) group, who are the franchise owner of the Bangalore-based IPL team. The PCB traditionally discourage their international players from associating themselves with alcohol brands, and admit Misbah's perceived endorsement of the brand is in breach of their guidelines. PCB Chief Executive Officer Shafqat Naghmi told Times Now: "Players usually take prior clearance for endorsing or starring in any brand commercials. "I am not sure whether Misbah has taken permission for the Royal Challengers and I am also not sure whether he is required to wear or market any brand of the UB group. "But yes we do discourage our players from even sporting logos promoting alcohol or tobacco products." There is a ban on alcohol consumption in Pakistan as it is forbidden under Islamic law. The Pakistan government has also banned tobacco advertising on television and at sporting venues.

http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa...Dnyciy6t0j5KHA

[switchblade]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan not saying they are...i was answering your rant on the past post...it doesnt matter whetehr your a drunkard or a vegetarian..(i guess modi is a veggie and look what he allowed in gujrat?)...what im saying is alchohol abuse leads to societal breakdown....look at the UK..its a mess thanks to increased alchohol consumption...800-1000 people a year die of alchohol related diseases and their ages range from 12-65....80% of women in the uk drink the majority heavily binge drink!....the majority of men drink... a large majority drink more than they should... it leads to high rates of teen pregnancy, drug abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse of both men and women, the monopolisation of the police's time, NHS monopolisation, depression, bad hygiene, divorce, destruction of the pillars of society....and its slow and insidious!!...

Doing anything in excess is bad... including alcohol consumption.

Same goes with religion or ideology as well.. extremism and lack of moderation is the source of all evil.

And that lack of moderation is due to some psychological insecurity that compells people to rely on something like religion, alcohol, ideology, etc.

Having a fine wine with your wife/GF to celebrate your anniversary or having a beer with your friends watching cricket is harmless fun.. but getting drunk and doing an MTV jacka$$ type of stuff is plain stupid..

Many darwin awardees were either drunk or stoned, but there were quite a few who achieved that greatness while being 100% sober.. go figure

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Oxy NO football team is allowed to wear any shirts that advertise alcohol if they are playing in France (and 3 other European countries that I cant remember off hand). They do it for moral, ethical reasons. No wild, idiotic, baseless accusations hurled at them from certain posters! Hashim Amla took a principalled stance, that was RESPECTED in South Africa - yet mocked by 'us'!

its the same in india as well . you cannot advertise alcohol & tobacco here in india .......the only reason why formual 1 has taken so long to come to india ..... kingfisher happens to be the name of mallyas airline too, so IPL wud happen in france !




as for indian muslims , most of them drink ....so endorsing the product dont think will be a issue there !

[Cryin Out Loud]

Hi. I have read this thread. I now need a drink.

[Cryin Out Loud]

Originally Posted by Bangla Tiger if this is not a muslim forum because some members here are not muslim, then this cannot be a pakistani forum because, clearly, not all members are pakistani. that logic, whilst linear, is facetious. however, if this is a pakistani cricket forum, and pakistan exists not for nationalistic reasons, but religious reasons, it would by extension, mean that all pakistani forums are, in some way "muslim-related" forums.

I agree that this is a Pakistani forum, inasmuch the majority of members are Pakistani (and not the least it is called PakPassion, duh).

However, your logic too breaks down at a point. Pakistan may exist for religious reasons, but not everything Pakistani is 'Muslim- related', far less a forum. For, by that logic the Christian or Hindu society (or forum) of Pakistan would also be in some way 'Muslim- related'. Which they are not.

[PakPassionate]

Originally Posted by Mohsin_Pak786 Well looks like the PCB are concerned: http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa...Dnyciy6t0j5KHA