Is India touring Pakistan in December 2008?

[junoon]

http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/FORTHCOMI...OURS/2008.html

According to the ICC future tours program, India is suppose to tour Pakistan in Dec 2008 for 3 Tests and 5 ODIs

If that is true, i think we are playing against india too often and it is killing the excitement out of India vs Pakistan matches

[Hash]

Yes they are touring Pakistan at the end of this year/beginning of next year but after that we are not playing each other in a bilateral series for 3 years.

I think it should be every 3 years personally.

[gibster82]

the yankees and the met or yankees and red sox play many many times a year and that hasnt made their games less exciting for baseball fans (i am not a baseball fan). NYC still has a buzz when those matchups occur, however many times they occur a year

[maamrut]

Originally Posted by Hash I think it should be every 3 years personally.

Agreed.

[Mohsin]

Yep like Hash said its happening, but after that there’s gonna be a 3 year break!

I personally would like a Pak v Ind series in the same mould as the ashes. Every 4 years (after 4 years we play each other home and away in the space of a year). This way it'll keep the interest high and the competition high!
Plus just look at the advertising after all these series'! In 2004 we had Samsung (it was a great series, great grounds, great everything!) 2005 was great also as it was in India. Then we had another series in Pakistan which was OK, same with the recent series in India!
We've just got to cut down a bit to keep the importance alive. We're playing each other next month and then in the Asia Cup and then in the Champions Trophy as well!

[maamrut]

Ashes is played once every 2 years i reckon(may be 20 months not sure).I don't think that will work out for us.As Hash suggested 3 years is perfect since we will be meeting in non-bilateral series quite often.

[cars112]

A long gap is definitely necessary. I for one would like to see more series against the following:

- New Zealand
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies
- South Africa

No point mentioning Australia because they always chicken out, knowing their appalling record in Pakistan.

I'm sick of playing India every year. England we play often enough.

[junoon]

So we don't even play any Test match for a year until india tours in Dec 2008.

We play very few test matches, and our players end up with Test records that don't fully reflect their abilities

W Akram could have retired with 500 test wirckets, Inzi with 10,000 runs and M yousaf would have scored 9,000 runs by now if only we played enough test matches

[cars112]

Originally Posted by junoon W Akram could have retired with 500 test wirckets, Inzi with 10,000 runs and M yousaf would have scored 9,000 runs if only we played enough test matches

That's a very good point. To be honest, it is an injustice to players like those.

[161]

Originally Posted by junoon http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/FORTHCOMI...OURS/2008.html According to the ICC future tours program, India is suppose to tour Pakistan in Dec 2008 for 3 Tests and 5 ODIs If that is true, i think we are playing against india too often and it is killing the excitement out of India vs Pakistan matches

india is the only team willing to play us at the moment.

beggars can't be choosers.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by cars112 That's a very good point. To be honest, it is an injustice to players like those.

Not really.

I for one dont have an Indian style craze for stats, figures and numbers.

Those players were/are super players, and I dont need "10 000 runs" to tell me that.

[KB]

W Akram could have retired with 500 test wirckets, Inzi with 10,000 runs and M yousaf would have scored 9,000 runs if only we played enough test matches

I thought it was a shame that when the two W's were at their best in the early 90s, the PCB became obsessed with LOI cricket, especially after the WC victory. They should have played more Tests.

As far as this year is concerned, there is a chance that Pakistan might end up playing no Tests, depending on when the Indian series commences. (As India are due to play England in December, I would think there is a good chance that the tour to Pakistan will be in January.)

[cars112]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster Those players were/are super players, and I dont need "10 000 runs" to tell me that.

Oh I completely agree.

What my point is that these guys are professionals who are at the top of their fields. However, they aren't getting the same opportunities to achieve everything they can purely on account of the team they are playing for. If they were playing for Australia, England or India, they would have gotten the full opportunity to do so.

So, to sum it up: do I think Moyo needs to get a few thousand runs more to say he is an awesome player? No. But do I think it is an injustice to him as a professional to be denied that opportunity? Absolutely.

[junoon]

Originally Posted by KB I thought it was a shame that when the two W's were at their best in the early 90s, the PCB became obsessed with LOI cricket, especially after the WC victory. They should have played more Tests

PCB is now even more obsessed with ODIs. We could have played a 2 or 3 test series and 3 ODIs against BD in april 2008 but instead it was a meaningless 5 ODI series

[Ghoshtbuster]

cars112,

Yea fair enough. I want us to play more tests too.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by junoon PCB is now even more obsessed with ODIs. We could have played a 2 or 3 test series and 3 ODIs against BD in april 2008 but instead it was a meaningless 5 ODI series

To be fair here, a Test series against Bangladesh would have been crap. They are a fair ODI side, so I could see them competing in that series (but unfortunatly didnt).

We need to play the teams around is (ability wise such as SL, NZ), and against the teams currently doing well (Eng, SA, Ind).

[Mercenary]

I hope both teams are fully fit and in top form and that we have a cracking series.

This could be the last time Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman bat against us so I hope we help them along the road to retirement with some traditional fiery Pakistani bowling from Asif, Gul and their mystery partner who will be revealed at Survivor Series 2008!

[Cryin Out Loud]

Originally Posted by cars112 ...I'm sick of playing India every year....

Finally we agree on something.

[cars112]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud Finally we agree on something.

[161]

In the time between our tour of India and their return tour, India will have played 17 tests and Pakistan ZERO.

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by kashif77 In the time between our tour of India to their return tour, India will have played 14 tests and Pakistan ZERO.

10??

lets see 4 in australia, 2 against zimbabwe i believe, 3 against sl, 4 against aus, then 3 against england

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by kashif77 In the time between our tour of India to their return tour, India will have played 14 tests and Pakistan ZERO.

I believe he's referring to our last tour of India and the upcoming India tour of Pakistan

[maamrut]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan 10?? lets see 4 in australia, 2 against zimbabwe i believe, 3 against sl, 4 against aus, then 3 against england

Hey, didn't the tour to Zim get cancelled on "mutual agreement"??I believe our next Test is against SL.Also you forgot 3 against SA.

[cars112]

Zimbabwe is suspended from tests. Still an ODI team though

[161]

guys ..

it's 4 in Australia
3 vs RSA
3 in Lanka
and then 4 vs Australia.

when is the england series ... i think that is after the pak tour right ?

well regardless it's a dam shame.

might as well just take away our test playing status !

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by maamrut Hey, didn't the tour to Zim get cancelled on "mutual agreement"??I believe our next Test is against SL.Also you forgot 3 against SA.

oh snap lol woow, good to see we're playing that many tests although not as much as england and aus.

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by kashif77 guys .. it's 4 in Australia 3 vs RSA 3 in Lanka and then 4 vs Australia. when is the england series ... i think that is after the pak tour right ? well regardless it's a dam shame. might as well just take away our test playing status !

nope

eng series is before pak tour. November 2008 : England in India (3 Tests & 7 ODIs)
December 2008 : India in Pakistan (3 Tests & 5 ODIs)
http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/FORTHCOMI...OURS/2008.html

[161]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan nope eng series is before pak tour. November 2008 : England in India (3 Tests & 7 ODIs) December 2008 : India in Pakistan (3 Tests & 5 ODIs) http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/FORTHCOMI...OURS/2008.html

OMFG .. so that's 17 Tests to Pakistan's zero in the same period !!!

Well done to the BCCI .. and to the PCB ... bunch of corrupt incompetent thugs.

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by kashif77 OMFG .. so that's 17 Tests to Pakistan's zero in the same period !!! Well done to the BCCI .. and to the PCB ... bunch of corrupt incompetent thugs.

thats the problem
PCB could have at least played around 4 tests against zimbs and banglas, and gave exposure to pak domestic players but no

[161]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan thats the problem PCB could have at least played around 4 tests against zimbs and banglas, and gave exposure to pak domestic players but no

well that's the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy.

no matter how flawed a democracy is .. it will always be better than a dictator.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan thats the problem PCB could have at least played around 4 tests against zimbs and banglas, and gave exposure to pak domestic players but no

But that wouldn't have really helped. Firstly there would be no chance in hell that the PCB would give young players a chance. Secondly, even if we did play these young players and we lost, it would be Armageddon!

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan thats the problem PCB could have at least played around 4 tests against zimbs and banglas, and gave exposure to pak domestic players but no

With Malik in charge? That would just be an ego/average inflating excercise. Im quite happy to play no tests in that case.

[dinakar]

Originally Posted by kashif77 OMFG .. so that's 17 Tests to Pakistan's zero in the same period !!! Well done to the BCCI .. and to the PCB ... bunch of corrupt incompetent thugs.

hmm.. that is very odd.. forget about home series, why Pakistan do not have any tour either?

[maamrut]

Originally Posted by dinakar hmm.. that is very odd.. forget about home series, why Pakistan do not have any tour either?

I'm not sure but i think its because they are more concerned about finance then the development of their players?

[PlanetPakistan]

17 tests to zero

Outrageous!

[lollol]

WTH, 17 to 0

Im really flabbergasted

PCB did say it was because of previous chairman, isnt it? AFAIK DNA isnt to blame for this (is he? )

[the true passionist]

Well India vs Pakistan have been too frequent but in this drought of test cricket that Pakistan is going through, anything is a blessing.

[McBoom]

17-0

Someone tell this to DNA !!! The most incompetent bunch of thugs ever to grace our cricket board and thats saying something.

[infamous9383]

finally some test cricket

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by infamous9383 finally some test cricket

hmm?where do you see it?

[wanted_desi]

And Yeah PCB cheif wants quick money, so he is doing everything to get more ODI whereas no Test matches

[the true passionist]

Well it is beyond the PCB management to arrange test cricket once the FTP has been announced. The real people to blame are those who were in charge of the PCB when the FTP was released because i am sure ICC cannot finalize FTP unless all countries agree to it.

Imran Khan really needs to take charge of the PCB and try and improve what he really can. Improving the country seems to be beyond his abilities or at least he is having a hard time convincing others that he can do so.

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by the true passionist Well it is beyond the PCB management to arrange test cricket once the FTP has been announced. The real people to blame are those who were in charge of the PCB when the FTP was released because i am sure ICC cannot finalize FTP unless all countries agree to it. Imran Khan really needs to take charge of the PCB and try and improve what he really can. Improving the country seems to be beyond his abilities or at least he is having a hard time convincing others that he can do so.

Exactly. The ICC and previous management has ****ed us over again. It's beyond ridiculous; it fills me with rage.