Wahab Riaz and Talha bowling at 140+ kph !

[itduzz]

When asked the fast bowlers camp, he said: "We have some of the best in business attending the camp. Muhammad Talha and Wahab Riaz are delivering a speed of 140 plus and when the camp concludes they would surely cross 150 mark. We also have potential bowlers in the under-19 team. Amer and Rana are also good prospects."


http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...from-Australia

[DM]

Amazing, literally amazing news

My goodness.

Front page news, fantastic stuff

[12thMan]

Mudassar Nazar also said
He further stated that Rashid Latif and Ijaz Ahmed have been assigned the task of finding and training players from remote areas. "We would select young players and provide them education while keeping them at the National Cricket Academy," he said.

[Obeid]

"He further stated that Rashid Latif and Ijaz Ahmed have been assigned the task of finding and training players from remote areas. "We would select young players and provide them education while keeping them at the National Cricket Academy," he said.
I like the sound of that....

[McBoom]

I hope his words this turn out to be true and these guys don't get injured.

[Inswinger]

Not surprised ti hear that Wahab is really letting them loose, he looks like a prospect ready to burst onto the scene. Hopefully theses guys wont fade away like the guys in the past.

[Muddaser]

Mudassar happy with Wasim’s coaching

Sports Reporter

LAHORE: PCB Director Games Development and former Test cricketer Mudassar Nazar Wednesday said that the Pakistan team had played matches against weaker opposition so one can’t assess their abilities.

Talking to reporters here at the Gaddafi Stadium after the bowling specialisation camp, Mudassar said that they have started Regional Under-19 academies at the eleven regions while their national cricket academy team and the specialisation camp was underway here aimed at preparing future prospects. He said that young players were motivated from the legend cricketers that were why they had invited Wasim Akram in the camp. “I started my batting career watching Mushtaq Muhammad and we invited Wasim Akram so that young bowlers can perform better getting inspiration from him,” he added. He maintained that the bowlers in the camp were improving and Wahab Riaz has started bowling with 142 KM per hour while Talha was bowling at a fair amount of pace of 143 KM per hour in the nets which was commendable. To a question, Mudassar said that they were planning to select an under-13 team from different part of the country to groom them for future.

Talking about the national team’s performance, Mudassar said that they have won and played against weaker opposition in the recent past but they had no fault as stronger teams like Australia had refused to visit Pakistan. He said that one could not judge the performance of the Pakistan team players till they play against stronger teams. Toa query about the performance of the national team coach Geoff Lawson, Mudassar replied that Lawson has been doing well with the team and won a number of matches during his stay with the team. Talking about the upcoming Asia Cup 2008 to be played in Pakistan, Mudassar said that India was a stronger team and Sri Lanka had a same weather conditions as in Pakistan so they could click while Pakistan team will have advantage of home ground and crowd but the winner would be a stronger and more fit team to play in the hottest weather.

[Inswinger]

Talha hasnt had a great domestic season but hes only 20 and can improve with coaching. His first class stats arnt that impressive.

[PlanetPakistan]

who is Talha? What is his last name?

142-143 isn't even CLOSE to 150

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan who is Talha? What is his last name? 142-143 isn't even CLOSE to 150

Cant believe you dont know him.

His name is Mohammad Talha from Faisalabad. The guy Aaqib Javed raved about in his interview to PP.

He came third in the Pepsi speed comp behind Sohail Khan and that Khurram lad. Only 17 at the time with a match stick physique.

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan who is Talha? What is his last name? 142-143 isn't even CLOSE to 150

see the Aaqib Javed and Mansoor Rana interviews, they must be talking about Mohammad Talha

[Obeid]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Cant believe you dont know him. His name is Mohammad Talha from Faisalabad. The guy Aaqib Javed raved about in his interview to PP. He came third in the Pepsi speed comp behind Sohail Khan and that Khurram lad. Only 17 at the time with a match stick physique.

Is Sohail khan in the camp? Wonder how his pace has been developing....

[Mercenary]

RP Singh and Sreesanth also bowl at 140k, even Pathan has hit 140k during the IPL.

There is a world of difference between 143k and 150k. No word about Sohail Khan's speeds?

[the true passionist]

Misleading title. Just delete this thread..no value added.

[PlanetPakistan]

Thanks Muddaser and Merc. I think i remember him now.

[jackal786]

140 k is a good speed? Even Gony, Dinda reached more than 140k. Nowadays even 150k is not a good speed with the kind of flat surfaces on the offer and bats with super sweetspot.
160k is minimum requirement. Anything less than that is going to be cannonfodder.

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by jackal786 140 k is a good speed? Even Gony, Dinda reached more than 140k. Nowadays even 150k is not a good speed with the kind of flat surfaces on the offer and bats with super sweetspot. 160k is minimum requirement. Anything less than that is going to be cannonfodder.

When we talk about speed, we are refering to the average speed of the bowler and not their effort ball or the fastest ball. I doubt Gony and Dinda are consistently in the 140s.

160k? you need to be supremely fit to achieve those speeds. Most likely to be achieved by an Australian, W.I., Pakistani or a SA bowler.

[Mercenary]

If any Pakistani bowler will break 150k in the near future it'll either be Gul or perhaps Sohail Khan. I can't see anyone else doing it.

[Vegitto1]

Originally Posted by Mercenary If any Pakistani bowler will break 150k in the near future it'll either be Gul or perhaps Sohail Khan. I can't see anyone else doing it.

Gul has already broken the 150 mark a couple of times

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Vegitto1 Gul has already broken the 150 mark a couple of times

That was before his last back injury, I meant can he repeat it or will he be stuck in the 140k bracket

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by Mercenary RP Singh and Sreesanth also bowl at 140k, even Pathan has hit 140k during the IPL. There is a world of difference between 143k and 150k. No word about Sohail Khan's speeds?

Been wanting to ask you for a few days, well since Wasim Akrams training camp began, can you call Sohail Khan and ask him how its going and his development and how much has the coaching of Wasim Akram helped? Just to see his development further!

Also who was that bowler 7 foot bowler that that guy mentioned? He said that he was from his academy, forgot his name, I think Nadeem Iqbal, not sure but it is in one of the interviews, where is this guy?

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 Been wanting to ask you for a few days, well since Wasim Akrams training camp began, can you call Sohail Khan and ask him how its going and his development and how much has the coaching of Wasim Akram helped? Just to see his development further!

I was going to call him over the weekend, I didn't want to disturb the camp. I'm hoping to get some scoops on the other bowlers that were there too! But bear in mind he's become a big star and may not want to chat so freely especially since he's under a PCB contract now.

Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 Also who was that bowler 7 foot bowler that that guy mentioned? He said that he was from his academy, forgot his name, I think Nadeem Iqbal, not sure but it is in one of the interviews, where is this guy?

His name is Mohammad Irfan, he was supposed to play in grade II for the Pak-Saudi team but he got injured. Nadeem is a great guy and a good friend of PP too. He's become assistant coach for Multan (fast bowler breeding ground) so hopefully we'll have many more scoops for years to come!

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I was going to call him over the weekend, I didn't want to disturb the camp. I'm hoping to get some scoops on the other bowlers that were there too! But bear in mind he's become a big star and may not want to chat so freely especially since he's under a PCB contract now.

Seemed like a nice person to me, I don't think it would affect him much! But yes I know what you are saying, well Merc bro when you are done, can you please post the conversation online, if you don't mind, I am anxiously awaiting for it! There was a picture of him and Wasim Akram, so hopefully he is learning something good from him! Can you also ask him, does he think that Wasim coaching is helping or weather he would have liked Waqar Younis to be there instead?! If you don't mind.

His name is Mohammad Irfan, he was supposed to play in grade II for the Pak-Saudi team but he got injured. Nadeem is a great guy and a good friend of PP too. He's become assistant coach for Multan (fast bowler breeding ground) so hopefully we'll have many more scoops for years to come!

Is there any profile on this guy, he is injured, hmmm, this injury problems are becoming more and more of a problem for Pakistan cricket, do you know any more on this guy? When is he suppose to start playing FC cricket? Any idea?

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 Seemed like a nice person to me, I don't think it would affect him much!

He definitely had both feet planted firmly on the ground

Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 There was a picture of him and Wasim Akram, so hopefully he is learning something good from him! Can you also ask him, does he think that Wasim coaching is helping or weather he would have liked Waqar Younis to be there instead?! If you don't mind.

He's already answered that in his interview. He met Wasim Akram at a previous camp and was tutored by him there and said that Waqar was his childhood hero and that he'd love to be tutored by Waqar.

Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 Is there any profile on this guy, he is injured, hmmm, this injury problems are becoming more and more of a problem for Pakistan cricket, do you know any more on this guy? When is he suppose to start playing FC cricket? Any idea?

...read this...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh....php?p=1458732

[Random Aussie]

Masala news

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Masala news

that would apply to this thread
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=57200

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by jackal786 140 k is a good speed? Even Gony, Dinda reached more than 140k. Nowadays even 150k is not a good speed with the kind of flat surfaces on the offer and bats with super sweetspot. 160k is minimum requirement. Anything less than that is going to be cannonfodder.

Every country except Pakistan and Australia better give up then.

[aabbasi]

Guys their is a difference between pakistani and indian speed guns. The same guys when coming to pakistan hardly bowl above 140.

Steyn was bowling in low 140's in pakistan. Nitini probably never touched 140 in pakistan and neither did nel.
Sohail Tanvir who has clocked 144 in india already was clocking around 127ks in pakistan.

[Legendary_Sage]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Every country except Pakistan and Australia better give up then.

dont break the heart of many "touchy" indian fan

[Hash]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan who is Talha? What is his last name? 142-143 isn't even CLOSE to 150

classic negative post You make me laugh sometimes PP.

Anyway.........142/143 is late 80s in mph which is more than enough.

[Farhad]

Wahab has good accuracy so if he is cranking it up to 90 mph, that is surely a very good sign.

Pak pacers tend to retain their blistering pace for a number of years as opposed to Indians like Munaf, Pathan etc. It would be interesting to see how long can Sreesanth continue bowling at 85 mph.

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by Farhad Wahab has good accuracy so if he is cranking it up to 90 mph, that is surely a very good sign. Pak pacers tend to retain their blistering pace for a number of years as opposed to Indians like Munaf, Pathan etc. It would be interesting to see how long can Sreesanth continue bowling at 85 mph.

And they tend to increase their pace after a few years of conditioning, strengthening, and fine-tuning, ala Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib.

[Random Aussie]

I think Wahab is a very good prospect.

I am not sure about Sohail Khan. Hopefully he can improve that action in the camp and get some real momentum going through his delivery stride.

Hopefully both get a run in the Asia cup, especially against India. It's hard to judge players on performances vs minnows.

Here's an idea from left field - Shoaib Akhtar for a bowling coach. Not for the national team but to work with bowlers here and there. He has a really good bowling brain and he might actually be quite good at it.

But still masala news. Do they have a working speed gun at the camp? Didn't know there was one in all of Pakistan so hard to trust the news.

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie I think Wahab is a very good prospect. I am not sure about Sohail Khan. Hopefully he can improve that action in the camp and get some real momentum going through his delivery stride. Hopefully both get a run in the Asia cup, especially against India. It's hard to judge players on performances vs minnows. Here's an idea from left field - Shoaib Akhtar for a bowling coach. Not for the national team but to work with bowlers here and there. He has a really good bowling brain and he might actually be quite good at it. But still masala news. Do they have a working speed gun at the camp? Didn't know there was one in all of Pakistan so hard to trust the news.

No I think they have a Sindhi, Punjabi, Balochi, and Pathan, who all make estimates of the speed of a delivery before tabulating the average estimation. The system is remarkably accurate!

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie But still masala news. Do they have a working speed gun at the camp? Didn't know there was one in all of Pakistan so hard to trust the news.

Good point there isn't even a speed gun at the NCA.

Perhaps PPs' interviews with guys like Wasim Bari, Mansoor Rana, Nadeem Iqbal and others where we've gone on about there being no speed gun have finally knocked some sense into the PCB!

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Sheikh No I think they have a Sindhi, Punjabi, Balochi, and Pathan, who all make estimates of the speed of a delivery before tabulating the average estimation. The system is remarkably accurate!

[lollol]

Actually, speed alone is nothing... u need to combine it with accuracy (line & length), swing/movement, stamina, variation.

I think only when u can clock 150k, it becomes a bit harder for batsmen. Sure, 140 is alot better than 130k, 150k is the real deal. Im talking about regular speeds, not once in 6 overs delivery.

I think wahab riaz will be good, if he cranks his speed up, but keeps his accuracy.

And i thought there was no speed-gun @ NCA???

[Ghoshtbuster]

Decent speeds.

Hope these guys turn out to be good prospects.

Also, no need to cream ourselves - its only 140ks, and this is not an Indian forum.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Every country except Pakistan and Australia better give up then.

Yea.. but i don't think anyone bowls at 160 KPH. Australia bowled consistently at 150 k in the recent series against India. Even Kumble made 87 and harbhajan made couple of 50s. 150k is just the perfect speed for batsmen these days. Unless you have other skills to go with it. In T20 Gambhir just waltzed down smashed Bond's 150k delivery over deep midwicket for huge 6. Good luck with troubling batsmen with mediocre speed like 150k without additional skills. By the way Steyn clocked high speeds in recent tour.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by jackal786 troubling batsmen with mediocre speed like 150k

150ks is not a "mediocre speed".

[cars112]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Good luck with troubling batsmen with mediocre speed like 150k without additional skills.

If 150k is mediocre, what does that make the Indian superstars, just out of curiosity, jackal?

[Farhad]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Yea.. but i don't think anyone bowls at 160 KPH. Australia bowled consistently at 150 k in the recent series against India. Even Kumble made ........ Good luck with troubling batsmen with mediocre speed like 150k without additional skills..

Well, India LOST that Series against Australia, didn't they?

[Savak]

150 km/hr occasionally is not much to speak off. But 150 km/hr on a 65%-75% basis is something. Both Akhtar and Lee are deadly because they touch late 140's to early 150 km/hr on a consistent basis and that worries a batsman.

[jackal786]

What i made is a valid point. Australian bowlers including Mitchell Johnson consistently hit the speed 150k along with Lee. Indians hardly had any trouble negotiating such speed. Even Ishant Sharma, RP singh played 150k speed with utmost ease. So please stop hyping a bowler when he touches 150k.

[PlanetPakistan]

Thread is about pace bowling! Riaz and Talha to be precise so please stick to the topic.

[Mercenary]

I've just had to delete two pages of off-topic posts. Stick to the topic which is the fast bowlers camp being conducted by Wasim Akram

[McBoom]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Because 150k couldn't trouble player like Ishant and RP singh who added valuable runs to India at Perth against Lee , Tait and Johnson. So ofcourse speed could do nothing. Lee was quick. But he was successful because of his impeccable line and length. Unlike the great west indian fast bowlers who did not need assistance from pitch or conditions(breezy), bowlers like Akhtar cannot survive on flat pitches. Because they had additional skills.

You cannot pick one off examples and generalize it. Just because a tailender survived a spell of fast bowling which by the way is not a big deal does not mean that fast bowling is nothing. Recently that similar team was also dismissed in India on 73, all because of FAST bowling ! Thats the nature of the game, sometimes you do well, sometimes not. So stop pick & choosing.

And your suggestion that Shaoib has no skill is just laughable. Can't he swing the ball both ways with both new & old ball ? He has one of the msot well disguised slower ball & one of the most lethal bouncers and yorkers. Talk without some biase for once.

[Sheikh]

To repeat:

This thread is about a claim (substantiated with quotes) that a couple of our bowlers are hitting the 140's and have scope for improvement i.e 150+. Hence the excitement that (once again) we may have bowlers who can bowl in the 150's.

The excitement over pace is a historic one, and if potential is found it will come to notice!

[pakistani pride]

Good post Sheikh now lets hope the bowlers full fill their promise !

[maamrut]

Cool.Congrats to Pak.But as someone rightly mentioned 143kph is nowhere near express and its one thing to claim he is going to cross 150 and quite another achieveing it.Nowadays every country has atleast one bowler crossing 140 mark.Personally,having seen Riaz he was already hitting low 140k's so this isn't news to me.Also they need to move the ball in the air at that pace in the air else they will turn out to be next M.Sami and to a lesser extent M.Johnson.So Jackal's post isn't quite entirely without merit.Riaz while no doubt has scope for improvement isn't going to be a banana-swing bowler like Waqr or Steyn and thats a fact.

[Inswinging Yorker]

hope these 2 bright prospects materialize for pak cricket.

would be really a sight to see

[TalhaSyed]

OI BALLE BALLE im bowling 140+ kmp

oh wait im a spin bowler lol

glad to hear it tho iv got a feeling that this summer is inshallah gna be a fresh new start for Pakistan with us finding good young talent and the senior players also coming through inshallah. And will hopefully be good for pakistan off the field aswel

[octavian]

Originally Posted by jackal786 140 k is a good speed? Even Gony, Dinda reached more than 140k. Nowadays even 150k is not a good speed with the kind of flat surfaces on the offer and bats with super sweetspot. 160k is minimum requirement. Anything less than that is going to be cannonfodder.

Unless ur name is Ishant Sharma, of course.

[161]

So a few days with Wasim are gonna make these guys into 150kph+ express bowlers ?!?!?!?

Well hot damn ... Wasim must be working some black magic !

[161]

And if Wasim can work this magic on the kiddos .. why don't we also send senior trundlers Asif, Gul and Rao to this camp as well ?

But oh no ... that would make Naseem look stupid for his selection of Lawson as coach ... so it will never happen.

[Saj]

I liked what I saw in the BD series from Wahab.

The basics are all there and there's plenty to work on with him. I was commentating for PP when he was bowling and it was really pleasing to see a bowler run in and almost with the minimum of effort hit 140kph plus.

Quick and smooth run up, good action and was hitting the pitch hard.

I think he bowls what is termed in the game as a "heavy ball".

[lollol]

^will there be also live commentary for the tri-series? I rly liked the live commentary

[Saj]

Originally Posted by lollol ^will there be also live commentary for the tri-series? I rly liked the live commentary

Yes we will more than likely be covering the Pakistan matches.

[lollol]

wow awesome.

cause india AND pak is playing, we'll have the likes of zaheer abbas AND srk AND arun lal, and i cant handle that

with asia cup, we'll even have ranjit fernando, and that would be carnage

[Easa]

150KPH is mediocre speed?

Coming from an Indian cricket fan, thats a bit rich...

[speed_thrills]

Originally Posted by kashif77 And if Wasim can work this magic on the kiddos .. why don't we also send senior trundlers Asif, Gul and Rao to this camp as well ? But oh no ... that would make Naseem look stupid for his selection of Lawson as coach ... so it will never happen.

Gul is a trundler. Strange

[octavian]

Kashif77 is a bit strange dont worry about it

[161]

Originally Posted by speed_thrills Gul is a trundler. Strange

Originally Posted by octavian Kashif77 is a bit strange dont worry about it

ever watch him in a test match ?

yes he can bowl the odd delivery in T20 at respectable pace.

but in real cricket he's generally in between 125-135kph.

[speed_thrills]

Originally Posted by kashif77 ever watch him in a test match ? yes he can bowl the odd delivery in T20 at respectable pace. but in real cricket he's generally in between 125-135kph.

I have not seen him bowling at 125K in any form of the game as yet

[161]

Originally Posted by speed_thrills I have not seen him bowling at 125K in any form of the game as yet

maybe u need to watch more test cricket .. because at that level he is generally trundler pace.

[speed_thrills]

Originally Posted by kashif77 maybe u need to watch more test cricket .. because at that level he is generally trundler pace.

i told any form of the game.

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by kashif77 ever watch him in a test match ? yes he can bowl the odd delivery in T20 at respectable pace. but in real cricket he's generally in between 125-135kph.

I don't think he has ever bowled at 125 kph in test! If you look at his video's on youtube, most of his speeds are between 135-140 kph! Also with the odd one at 145 or something!

I don't know during the beginning of his career, but of late I didn't see that, maybe you saw a slower bowl?!

[McBoom]

Originally Posted by kashif77 maybe u need to watch more test cricket .. because at that level he is generally trundler pace.

Not sure about this, he generally bowls in the mid 80s (and occasional late 80s) and I think the more he remains injury free the more his speed will increase.






In these clips all of his deliveries are above 85mph which IMO is not trundler territory.

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by kashif77 ever watch him in a test match ? yes he can bowl the odd delivery in T20 at respectable pace. but in real cricket he's generally in between 125-135kph.

Gul 125-135kph?

Are you talking about Umar Gul or his Indian cousin Amar Gul?

[Qelic]

Originally Posted by kashif77 ever watch him in a test match ? yes he can bowl the odd delivery in T20 at respectable pace. but in real cricket he's generally in between 125-135kph.

if u r talking abt gul his average is around 140 to 145 and highest at 148 or even more , conditionally he shud be fully fit

[Sheikh]

@ Gul the trundler!


If only he could bowl phaaast for 2 overs on the trot!

[Monsee]

Kashif has lost all sense of reality after seeing his hero/client sitting on the sidelines as usual...and this time it took Mr. Fitness barely 6-8 (?) overs of Fata Fat cricket to go 'Hai Mommy Mera Godaa...Mein Nahin Khedna Kherriyaan Daay Naal'

[Saj]

I think looking ahead, our test bowling attack needs to be led by Umar Gul and Mohammed Asif, with Sohail Khan or Wahab Riaz as the third seamer.

We really do need to somehow get our bowlers a lot fitter and less injury prone, but I really dont know what the cure is for that.

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by Saj I think looking ahead, our test bowling attack needs to be led by Umar Gul and Mohammed Asif, with Sohail Khan or Wahab Riaz as the third seamer. We really do need to somehow get our bowlers a lot fitter and less injury prone, but I really dont know what the cure is for that.

Proper diet and exercise. Simple really, except I'm not sure how diligently our players approach their diets.

[Easa]

I don't know what Umar Gul you've been watching Kashif, but the one I see, the one everyone sees, is anything but a trundler. He is consistently hitting 90MPH in the shorter forms of the game (50-50/20-20) and pushing 85-87mph in Test cricket. 125-135kph? What?

[161]

Originally Posted by Easa I don't know what Umar Gul you've been watching Kashif, but the one I see, the one everyone sees, is anything but a trundler. He is consistently hitting 90MPH in the shorter forms of the game (50-50/20-20) and pushing 85-87mph in Test cricket. 125-135kph? What?

i was talking about real cricket not t20 ... where he is for the most part clocking 130's.

sorry to burst the bubble for u guys.

[Easa]

Originally Posted by kashif77 i was talking about real cricket not t20 ... where he is for the most part clocking 130's. sorry to burst the bubble for u guys.

You're wrong; sorry to burst your bubble.

[161]

Originally Posted by Easa You're wrong; sorry to burst your bubble.

???

he isn't in the 130's most the time in tests ?


yaar ... kindly let go of the selective memory.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by kashif77 i was talking about real cricket not t20 ... where he is for the most part clocking 130's. sorry to burst the bubble for u guys.

So now that everyone laughed at your flawed impression about Gul's bowling speeds...you have changed your tune to say 'he is for the most part clocking 130's.'?

Make up your mind already or stop making things up!

[161]

did u get bored of fighting with SY and am i ur new target for the weekend ?