what u think of final game

[malikvslee]

will be the same result or pakistan will take it

[dirk diggler]

steady on fella, we may not qualify.

[malikvslee]

lets suppose india will lose agaist bangladesh we still can make it to final

[Adeel786]

India is just too good currently to loose from pakistan. We will be seeing the similar result.

[pakcricketfan]

There r a few things to check for Pak..
If we correct them, we can win.

[malikvslee]

but who will correct them

[india_fan]

Even if India wins vs BD, Pak will still qualify.

[tracker22]

We must get rid of the top four losers in our team..."BUTT, younas , yousaf and rao, why the hell they didn't play sohail khan..?we must bring some new faces atleast for ODI's...atleast loosing with new guys will not be this painfull....on this pace we will soon be on the all time losing end with india...right now it is pak wins..60 and indians are some where 38...please bring back ..miandad as a coach and afridi as a captain...our sisi captain is not a fighter..

[Savak]

Originally Posted by pakcricketfan There r a few things to check for Pak.. If we correct them, we can win.

Few things? . Man you are beeing so kind. I dont expect this team especially beeing led by Malik and coached by Lawson coming anywhere close to challenging India let alone beating them. Trust me, if Dhoni alone took charge of this Indian squad with no Back up Staff in the form of Robin Singh, V.Prasad, Gary Kirsten he would still tactically outsmart and inspire the team as compared to the combined efforts of Malik and Lawson. I feel really sorry to say this but it is the truth.

[Xshazero]

Originally Posted by malikvslee will be the same result or pakistan will take it

and what made u think that pak is going to final????

we havent qualified yet wait till 12th of june.......

[muhammad saad]

I hope they lose badly in the final ,so that radical changes can be made/forced.

[Luton Bad Boy]

I hope the next beating is more severe...

e.g. 10 wicket win for India

or 200 runs deficit...

If that does not change anything then I am supporting England from now on....

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by Savak Few things? . Man you are beeing so kind. I dont expect this team especially beeing led by Malik and coached by Lawson coming anywhere close to challenging India let alone beating them. Trust me, if Dhoni alone took charge of this Indian squad with no Back up Staff in the form of Robin Singh, V.Prasad, Gary Kirsten he would still tactically outsmart and inspire the team as compared to the combined efforts of Malik and Lawson. I feel really sorry to say this but it is the truth.

Dhoni has more talent at his disposal, simple.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by malikvslee will be the same result or pakistan will take it

or will Pakistan will make it? What if Bangladesh wins against India? Losing with such big margin may give Bangladesh an edge here. Just hope for rain next 3 days

[Inswinger]

The BCCI has done a great job integrating the young talent into the ODI team. Guys like Raina, Sharma, Chawla, Ishant, and Prvaeen have the potential to make a dynamic team.

Sharma, Chawla, and Raina played in the U-19 WC and lost to a Pakistani side. Where are those guys from our u-19 team???

We also need to move away from the past and get the young guys in. Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor, Shahid Yousaf, Adnan Raza, Sarfraz Ahmed and Masoor Amjadshould be in the team now.

MoYo, YK, and even Misbah are close to the end. Kamran continues to falter. Afridi has impressed with his bowling but batting has become non-existant. Rao Iftikhar is a decent bowler but he doesnt get many wickets. Shoaib Akhtar and Asif continue to be side lined either because of fitness or off-field issues.

Its time to move on and truly rebuild.


If we play India in the final I wanna see this team:
Nasir Jamshed
Salman Butt
Fawad Alam
Shoaib Malik
Misbah
Afridi
Kamran
Tanvir
Sohail
Gul
Wahab

[Zeenix]

Originally Posted by Adeel786 India is just too good currently to loose from pakistan. We will be seeing the similar result.

Correction: India isn't good. Its the pakistani team which is so hopelessly too bad

[lollol]

Originally Posted by Inswinger The BCCI has done a great job integrating the young talent into the ODI team. Guys like Raina, Sharma, Chawla, Ishant, and Prvaeen have the potential to make a dynamic team. Sharma, Chawla, and Raina played in the U-19 WC and lost to a Pakistani side. Where are those guys from our u-19 team??? We also need to move away from the past and get the young guys in. Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor, Shahid Yousaf, Adnan Raza, Sarfraz Ahmed and Masoor Amjadshould be in the team now. MoYo, YK, and even Misbah are close to the end. Kamran continues to falter. Afridi has impressed with his bowling but batting has become non-existant. Rao Iftikhar is a decent bowler but he doesnt get many wickets. Shoaib Akhtar and Asif continue to be side lined either because of fitness or off-field issues. Its time to move on and truly rebuild. If we play India in the final I wanna see this team: Nasir Jamshed Salman Butt Fawad Alam Shoaib Malik Misbah Afridi Kamran Tanvir Sohail Gul Wahab

This just clarifies the domestic structure, and PCB policies... very good post that sums up the feelings of many pak fans.

[maamrut]

Originally Posted by Zeenix Correction: India isn't good. Its the pakistani team which is so hopelessly too bad

If we weren't atleast "good" we wouldn't win the CB series final mate..Just because it was no contest today doesn't mean you have seen the full extent of these youngsters abilities..most of the batsmen except 3 or four had an off-day.This definitely isn't our 1st choice of bowling attack either.Fielding was hardly required to be tested today(seen them field better in CB series).

Also, Dhoni also made a few mistakes with regards to batting order,imo.But i'm sure he'll correct them next time.

So, i really don't know how you could dismiss India as "not good".And we certainly are nowhere near the finished article.Most of these guys are only beginning their careers.

[FAM]

If we qualify for the final, then anything can happen. Who knows our batsmen click in the final match, and Indian batsmen fail? Cricket is a funny game.

[Usman Chadda]

The first thing Malik should do is drop Younis for Fawad Alam. Too many chances have been given to this guy and yet he hasnt performed consistently in ODI Cricket. Plays one knock of importance, disappears for the next 15 matches. Number 3 is not the position for such an inconsistent batsman. Malik should come in at no.3, Fawad should be at no.5. The rest of the batting order is fine

Bowling was off-colour today but hopefully these guys will learn from this horrendous experience

[Inswinging Yorker]

India will win the finals comfortably...regardless of who their opponents are.

The performance today was not surprising as i did render india as the better team.

PAK squandered a number of chances ..which is normal
India made half chances into chances.
Pak bowling was wayward
India good pressure bowling.
pak batting collapsed under the pressure of a big total
India batting have the calibre to attack playing good cricket shots and not slogging.
India r firm favorites to go all the way

[maamrut]

Yup..Ind always mess it up when they are tagged up as fav...something which is becoming rarity in MSD's reign.

[Kamranz]

Originally Posted by Luton Bad Boy I hope the next beating is more severe... e.g. 10 wicket win for India or 200 runs deficit... If that does not change anything then I am supporting England from now on....

lol I'm with you.

[iafzal]

We need to first see if we qualify.

If Bang wins they will be in.

our RR difference is 70-140 = -70
Bang RR diff is -70.

They just need to win and they are in the finals.
Unlikely Bang will win but possible, remember WC 2007

[dinakar]

from what I have seen so far, there is a huge advantage for the team batting first. the pitch gets slower and slower on course. if Pakistan to be win they need bat first an score at least 260 runs. and don't pack with 4 pacers as fast deliveries will be a consolation for the batsmen in such slow pitches and you need bowlers who can bowl as slow as possible and turn as much. then, nail Sehwag within the first five overs. I don't think it will be easy for India if they were put to bat second, else pretty tough for Pakistan.

[Hash]

Originally Posted by iafzal We need to first see if we qualify. If Bang wins they will be in. our RR difference is 70-140 = -70 Bang RR diff is -70. They just need to win and they are in the finals. Unlikely Bang will win but possible, remember WC 2007

That is not how to calculate net run rate.

Bangladesh currently have a NRR of -1.75
Pakistan currently have a NRR of -0.778

Bangladesh will have to absolutely abliterate India to smithereens in order to overtake us on NRR.

http://content-pak.cricinfo.com/kitp...ew=pointstable

[jusarrived]

am hoping the match against bangla is washed out , cos we never win all the matches in a sereis ...no matter how good a form we are in ......though I believe india is capable of playing still better than yest , its odi's after all..any team can win on the given day , so not writing off pak completely !

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by Zeenix Correction: India isn't good. Its the pakistani team which is so hopelessly too bad

yes, we defeated both SL and Aus in a tri series in Aus without being good

[deathstreak]

Originally Posted by Indiafan yes, we defeated both SL and Aus in a tri series in Aus without being good

it was a fluke, like all the rest

[moumotta]

Originally Posted by Hash That is not how to calculate net run rate. Bangladesh currently have a NRR of -1.75 Pakistan currently have a NRR of -0.778 Bangladesh will have to absolutely abliterate India to smithereens in order to overtake us on NRR. http://content-pak.cricinfo.com/kitp...ew=pointstable

Not true. BD have to simply win against India. Even by a run will be enough to give them a better run rate if it is a 50 over game.

Pakistan is on -70 run difference in 90 overs. RR =-70/90 = -0.778
BD is on -70 run difference in 40 overs. RR =-70/40 = -1.75

If BD win then the run difference will improve, say even by 1 run
The run difference then will be -69.
Number of overs will be 90 and RR = -69/90 = -0.767

They will need a bigger margin if the game is curtailed. They will have to win by 8 if it is a 40 over match.

[iafzal]

Originally Posted by Hash That is not how to calculate net run rate. Bangladesh currently have a NRR of -1.75 Pakistan currently have a NRR of -0.778 Bangladesh will have to absolutely abliterate India to smithereens in order to overtake us on NRR. http://content-pak.cricinfo.com/kitp...ew=pointstable

See this article on cricinfo it says other wise per my earlier post

"That match also dented Pakistan's net run-rate to such an extent that even a one-run victory for Bangladesh will see the hosts through to the final. "

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/kitp...ry/354369.html

[the true passionist]

Hypothetical question to Indian fans:

Say IND had to lose one of the next two games. Which one would you prefer, a loss to Bang now and win the finals, or a win against Bang and loss to Pak in the finals?

Back to the question:
India are strong favorites to win the final however it is not a foregone conclusion. Because Indian bowling is not as good as it appeared during the last ODI because of the huge total. They can easily concede a score of upto 300, and Pakistani bowling is not as bad either. Had we taken 2 out of the 3-5 chances given to us, things could have been a lot different.

[Manish26]

I hope India looses this match deliberately....lol How many Indian fans vouch for it??India vs bangladesh final

[Hash]

Originally Posted by iafzal See this article on cricinfo it says other wise per my earlier post "That match also dented Pakistan's net run-rate to such an extent that even a one-run victory for Bangladesh will see the hosts through to the final. " http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/kitp...ry/354369.html

I stand corrected.

But I hope India don't do them any favours

[Manish26]

Originally Posted by Hash I stand corrected. But I hope India don't do them any favours

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Manish26

oi....be pleased. It's VERY rare that I support India in a cricket match

[srg]

Originally Posted by the true passionist Hypothetical question to Indian fans: Say IND had to lose one of the next two games. Which one would you prefer, a loss to Bang now and win the finals, or a win against Bang and loss to Pak in the finals? Back to the question: India are strong favorites to win the final however it is not a foregone conclusion. Because Indian bowling is not as good as it appeared during the last ODI because of the huge total. They can easily concede a score of upto 300, and Pakistani bowling is not as bad either. Had we taken 2 out of the 3-5 chances given to us, things could have been a lot different.

I prefer losing to Bangladesh than losing to Pak You know why! Check the records of India vs Pak. But I truly want Pak to be in the final as it will be always exciting to watch India vs Pak. So no, India shouldn't lose any of the two games

[Asim2Good]

We already done our job, now it's time for India to chock

[dinakar]

Originally Posted by Manish26 I hope India looses this match deliberately....lol How many Indian fans vouch for it??India vs bangladesh final

if that happens, I will quit following cricket. with all respect to Bangladeshi team, to be honest i will be too suspicious if India lose a 50 over match today (not forgetting that it happened not too long ago, but both teams spirit is different from the WC). but a rain shortened match/DL etc. can even out the difference between the two sides to an extent.

[dinakar]

Originally Posted by Asim2Good We already done our job, now it's time for India to chock

I still believe India will choke if Pakistan bat first and put a 270 target. but if they bat in the same way as the last match, it will hardly trouble India on chase.

[Hash]

well we lost the toss and are bowling first. I think anything less than 270 will be a cakewalk.