Still hope of the deadly quadrant becoming a reality....

[moz]

still hope of the deadly quadrant becoming a reality.... wouldnt want to speak too soon, however in the champions trophy, and test matches to follow we could witness the coming together of asif gul akhtar and tanivr...these four could most certainly give the saffies a run for their money.

fingers crossed everyone....

[Oxy]

This is the jinx thread - every thread in the past has hoped for this eventuality.

My guess is this time this will happen:

1) Akhtar - FIT/Available
2) Asif - FIT/Available
3) Gul - Will join the Taliban
4) Tanvir - FIT/Available

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by Oxy This is the jinx thread - every thread in the past has hoped for this eventuality. My guess is this time this will happen: 1) Akhtar - FIT/Available 2) Asif - FIT/Available 3) Gul - Will join the Taliban 4) Tanvir - FIT/Available

[moz]

i was wearing my taveez when i made the thread, so lets hope for no jinxes, these four could rip through batting line ups..

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by moz i was wearing my taveez when i made the thread, so lets hope for no jinxes, these four could rip through batting line ups..

Yeah there's every chance of that if Gul, Asif and Tanvir are on song, and maybe Shoaib will contribute in the 3-4 overs he'll muster. That's if the dope officer from the ICC doesn't get an invite.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by Oxy This is the jinx thread - every thread in the past has hoped for this eventuality. My guess is this time this will happen: 1) Akhtar - FIT/Available 2) Asif - FIT/Available 3) Gul - Will join the Taliban 4) Tanvir - FIT/Available

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by Oxy This is the jinx thread - every thread in the past has hoped for this eventuality. My guess is this time this will happen: 1) Akhtar - FIT/Available 2) Asif - FIT/Available 3) Gul - Will join the Taliban 4) Tanvir - FIT/Available

[Omar Malik]

Originally Posted by Oxy This is the jinx thread - every thread in the past has hoped for this eventuality. My guess is this time this will happen: 1) Akhtar - FIT/Available 2) Asif - FIT/Available 3) Gul - Will join the Taliban 4) Tanvir - FIT/Available

LOL That cracked me up!

[Omar Malik]

I guess it'll be a miracle if all 4 will ever play together!

[Sultan Yusuf]

Deadly??? I think we need to redefine the term.....Gul, Asif and Tanvir have never nor will ever be deadly!!

How standards have dropped!

[switchblade]

Sri Lankan ODI attack seems more potent than the AAG attack

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by switchblade Sri Lankan ODI attack seems more potent than the AAG attack

SL attack only needs to consist of one man if India are batting

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Deadly??? I think we need to redefine the term.....Gul, Asif and Tanvir have never nor will ever be deadly!! How standards have dropped!

well at least 2 of them will end up with more test wickets than Shoaib Akhtar

[Atif]

inshalla they will be fit, and with a combined effort they will lead pakistan to liftting the trophy

[Savak]

Lets not expect Miracles from them, but i expect them to add a bit of life to our attack. I hope everyone expect them to deliver gradually and be patient.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Hash well at least 2 of them will end up with more test wickets than Shoaib Akhtar

Wrong thread. We're talking about their lethality.

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Wrong thread. We're talking about their lethality.

and I see lethality in terms of how many batsman they get out rather than how fast they bowl.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Hash and I see lethality in terms of how many batsman they get out rather than how fast they bowl.

I love your enthusiasm!!

Maybe, just maybe...their overall strike rates may figure in your calculations??

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Wrong thread. We're talking about their lethality.

lethality or lethargy because if it's the latter you're on about than Akhtar is the master of lethargy

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Iqbal'sh lethality or lethargy because if it's the latter you're on about than Akhtar is the master of lethargy

How original!!!

Do you guys know anything about cricket? If you don't know the difference between a good bowler and a lethal bowler then what can I say?

[moz]

tanvir maybe not yet but i do class gul and asif as deadly, if both can get a good two seasons of cricket under thier belt....i have no doubt that they can feature in the top ten test rankings..

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf I love your enthusiasm!! Maybe, just maybe...their overall strike rates may figure in your calculations??

and ability to last a couple of games in a row

[Sultan Yusuf]

featuring in the top 10 rankings does not equate to being a deadly bowler!!

Can we please stop insulting deadly bowlers from the past by bracketing guys like asif, gul and tanvir with them!

[lollol]

Ok, lets ASSUME they play in a few weeks, i dont think there is much AAG left in this attack...

Asif - Not a proven ODI bowler / Still bowling with that thing around his elbow, so he's still not fully fit / Needs match practice
Akhtar - Needs match practice / Unfit / Big chances he will break down after a few overs
Gul - Very hardworking, but never the same after his injuries....
Tanvir - Most overhyped bowler imo

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf How original!!! Do you guys know anything about cricket? If you don't know the difference between a good bowler and a lethal bowler then what can I say?

Not sure how much I know about cricket but I do know

1) a very good team is also a united team
2) There's no 'i' in team
3) Test match requirements are for bowlers to bowl at full pelt for more than 1 over
4) PCB selectors have decided every player should prove their fitness in match conditions (something Akhtar throw a hissy fit at during the Pentangular)
5) Asif has been 'lethal' Karachi 2005
6) Gul has also been lethal Lahore 2004

I'm only touching the surface here, I could go on for hours but if you have an ounce of intelligence you'll get the point.

(btw Akhtar was also lethal once but he's wasted his talent big time and is now ready for the scrap heap. The only thing keeping him going is his desire to hog the limelight and artificial substances)

[octavian]

these are the best we have. and sadly apart from akhtar for a dew overs he bowls before getting injured and once in a blue moon spell from Gul, the rest is just ordinary

[Oxy]

Well you can be lethal, yet bowl absolute tripe and finish with 0-112 in 15 overs....

You can be millitary medium, and bag 5-25 in 10 overs.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Iqbal'sh Not sure how much I know about cricket but I do know 1) a very good team is also a united team 2) There's no 'i' in team 3) Test match requirements are for bowlers to bowl at full pelt for more than 1 over 4) PCB selectors have decided every player should prove their fitness in match conditions (something Akhtar throw a hissy fit at during the Pentangular) 5) Asif has been 'lethal' Karachi 2005 6) Gul has also been lethal Lahore 2004 I'm only touching the surface here, I could go on for hours but if you have an ounce of intelligence you'll get the point. (btw Akhtar was also lethal once but he's wasted his talent big time and is now ready for the scrap heap. The only thing keeping him going is his desire to hog the limelight and artificial substances)

Errr...how about some context...

Not a very "smart operater" are we?

Rather than the rameez-esque cliche-ridden stuff you've posted above (No 'I' in team?? someone give me a sick bag!), just THINK about what a lethal/deadly bowler is then get back to me!



Cheers

[cars112]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Can we please stop insulting deadly bowlers from the past by bracketing guys like asif, gul and tanvir with them!

Asif is a once in a generation talent. Sure, he needs to keep himself out of trouble and has to work on his fitness, but let's not question his talent.

Gul is a fine bowler - granted not in the Asif league of talent but a good bowler nonetheless. Injuries are an issue, though, and I'm more concerned about his injuries than Asif even.

Tanvir, granted, needs to prove himself at Test level.

But to dismiss a talent like Asif in the way you have - just isn't fair mate.

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Errr...how about some context... Not a very "smart operater" are we? Rather than the rameez-esque cliche-ridden stuff you've posted above (No 'I' in team?? someone give me a sick bag!), just THINK about what a lethal/deadly bowler is then get back to me! Cheers

What's with this infatuation with lethal/deadly?

Waqar, Donald, Wasim, Pollock, McGrath, Warne, Barnes, Larwood etc were also lethal and deadly once. They ain't anymore. Got it yet?

[Savak]

Akhtar has always been injury prone in his career, but when he takes wickets, bowls Pakistan to victories, he still gets injured every now and then but no one complains as long as he is amongst the wickets. So why should we abandon him now? He showed in the IPL he can do the job, he is still lethal and can wickets.

Its a simple choice really. You be happy with the garbage of a bowling attack we have now or we can include Akhtar to make a difference. I simply implore everyone to be patient and let Akhtar play for a good 6 months or so.

We need to be patient with him, everytime he comes back into the side in the hurry and just when he looks like getting his rhythem, speed, stamina back, he gets stopped by one controversy or the other and later on has to start all over again. I am confident Akhtar will get better if he plays for a consistent period of time.

But at the same time we need to be realistic, he is no longer the young Shoaib of the old who is going to charge in all day for you, we need to be practical and fair to him. The pressure is always on Shoaib to get wickets and bowl Pakistan to victory. With Gul and Asif to support him, that pressure will greatly reduce. I would love to see these guys play together, complement each other and enjoy each others success. Lets stop this unfair criticism and saying he is finished.

I still back him to deliver for Pakistan and our junior bowlers will need someone like Shoaib alongside for effective grooming purposes. Sometimes playing alongside a great bowler inspires you to perform even better. I would like to see how the likes of Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz do when they play alongside Akhtar.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by cars112 Asif is a once in a generation talent. Sure, he needs to keep himself out of trouble and has to work on his fitness, but let's not question his talent. Gul is a fine bowler - granted not in the Asif league of talent but a good bowler nonetheless. Injuries are an issue, though, and I'm more concerned about his injuries than Asif even. Tanvir, granted, needs to prove himself at Test level. But to dismiss a talent like Asif in the way you have - just isn't fair mate.

Who's dismissing him? I'm just saying he ain't lethal! That's all!

[Savak]

Originally Posted by cars112 Asif is a once in a generation talent. Sure, he needs to keep himself out of trouble and has to work on his fitness, but let's not question his talent. Gul is a fine bowler - granted not in the Asif league of talent but a good bowler nonetheless. Injuries are an issue, though, and I'm more concerned about his injuries than Asif even. Tanvir, granted, needs to prove himself at Test level. But to dismiss a talent like Asif in the way you have - just isn't fair mate.

No one is dismissing Asif, but Asif has a lot of improvement to do. While we all say that pace isnt everything without good line and length, Line and length sometimes is also not enough without some good pace. Asif has to learn that he needs a bit of pace i.e. he should try to reach 140-142 km/he atleast. Mcgrath and Pollock when they started out used to bowl in that region and that is why they were deadly early on. It was their experience that allowed them to be good bowlers later on at a reduced pace.

My gut feeling whenever i see Asif is that he just feels he will easily get wickets bowling at 78-81 mph which i dont think is the right approach certainly not on subcontinent pitches and against top sides.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Iqbal'sh What's with this infatuation with lethal/deadly? Waqar, Donald, Wasim, Pollock, McGrath, Warne, Barnes, Larwood etc were also lethal and deadly once. They ain't anymore. Got it yet?

No infatuation, I'm just posting on a thread which mentions the "deadly" bowlers. If someone uses it out of context I'll correct them!

Btw, you're nearly there, but Mcgrath was not deadly, neither was pollock (apart from right at the start of his career). Keep going, you'll get there, I'm rooting for you!

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf No infatuation, I'm just posting on a thread which mentions the "deadly" bowlers. If someone uses it out of context I'll correct them! Btw, you're nearly there, but Mcgrath was not deadly, neither was pollock (apart from right at the start of his career). Keep going, you'll get there, I'm rooting for you!

Well in that case we'll agree to disagree on mine/your definition of deadly.

btw ever heard the saying there's more than one way to skin a cat?

[tauseefm]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf I love your enthusiasm!! Maybe, just maybe...their overall strike rates may figure in your calculations??

what are ur comments on M Yusuf's strike rate? what would you do with this kind of "lethality" that don't even last for 10 overs

[Qelic]

on paper

akhtar and gul -------------- quikies with swing
asif and tanvir---------------- seamers and cutters
and with support of afridi , it can become one of the most fierce attacks in the world

howevaa in reality

akhtar and asif ---------------- hard for them to play
gul ----------------- injured
tanvir------------------ inconsistent
afridi -------------- shud b out of the team i believe

[lollol]

Tanvir is more swing than seam.... imo

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by tauseefm what are ur comments on M Yusuf's strike rate? what would you do with this kind of "lethality" that don't even last for 10 overs

Errrrrm.....

Where did M. Yusuf come from? In fact where did batting come from?

We're talking about bowling here.

The 10 overs comment is irrelevant in this thread. This is about how deadly / lethal a bowler is. If I remember correctly we're not talking about fitness.

If you wish to talk about the feasibility of shoaib playing in the team, we can do so - but not this thread!

Why is everyone so offended that I don't consider Asif / Gul / Tanvir lethal or deadly? It doesn't mean I think they're crap, just that they're not deadly!! It's not their job to be deadly - they are different type of bowlers!

[Mercenary]

Asif, Gul and Tanvir are not in Akhtar's league when it comes to being truly lethal. Akhtar is a class of his own when it comes to that.

At best Asif could give himself a bad headache with weed, Gul could end up on crutches by doing his back in and Tanvir could knock out his shoulder due to his awkward action. None of those are lethal by any stretch of the imagination.

When you're talking lethal, then a well timed blow with a cricket bat should do nicely

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Mercenary Asif, Gul and Tanvir are not in Akhtar's league when it comes to being truly lethal. Akhtar is a class of his own when it comes to that. At best Asif could give himself a bad headache with weed, Gul could end up on crutches by doing his back in and Tanvir could knock out his shoulder due to his awkward action. None of those are lethal by any stretch of the imagination. When you're talking lethal, then a well timed blow with a cricket bat should do nicely

Speaks volumes of you if you consider that lethal!!

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Speaks volumes of you if you consider that lethal!!

I wasnt talking about what actually happened but about potential which is after all what we always talk about when we mention Shoaib. With Shoaib it's all about his potential.

If he could stay fit, if he could bowl more than a handful of overs consistently, if he could keep his mouth shut, etc, etc

In the same same way if he knew how to wield a bat then it could well be lethal

[Easa]

Just give the child his candy, Asif/Gul/Tanvir are not "lethal" bowlers at all guys..

The fact that they will be far more successful than some of the "lethal" bowlers that used to play for us bears in insignificance. Lets just say all three are very talented bowlers who will end up with a lot of wickets between them.

[Saqs]

Originally Posted by Oxy This is the jinx thread - every thread in the past has hoped for this eventuality. My guess is this time this will happen: 3) Gul - Will join the Taliban

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Easa Just give the child his candy, Asif/Gul/Tanvir are not "lethal" bowlers at all guys.. The fact that they will be far more successful than some of the "lethal" bowlers that used to play for us bears in insignificance. Lets just say all three are very talented bowlers who will end up with a lot of wickets between them.

You guys are a laugh a minute. Why are you guys taking so much offence??! THEY ARE NOT LETHAL BOWLERS. Deal with it!

[observer1]

Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf Deadly??? I think we need to redefine the term.....Gul, Asif and Tanvir have never nor will ever be deadly!! How standards have dropped!

?

Asif maybe but Tanvir has been in the team less than a year and has already performed, Gul performs too. As for Asif, i agree.

[shabas]

I want to see the GAS attack instead of AAG as one of them is always unfit in AAG attack.

[in_cutter]

the AAG attack will easily be extinguished...

[Bublu Bhuyan]

But who will perform the role of 'Fire Extinguisher' ?

[switchblade]

Originally Posted by bublubhuyan But who will perform the role of 'Fire Extinguisher' ?

The INDIAN GAS counter attack unit (GAS = Gambhir+Sehwag)

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by bublubhuyan But who will perform the role of 'Fire Extinguisher' ?

Injuries

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by in_cutter Injuries

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by switchblade The INDIAN GAS counter attack unit (GAS = Gambhir+Sehwag)

They couldnt even put out the GIT attack in the Kitply final

[Iqbal'sh]

Originally Posted by Mercenary They couldnt even put out the GIT attack in the Kitply final

or since India had their GaS counterattack, we went with the SUI bowling lineup:

(S)ohail Tanvir
(U)mar Gul
(I)fthikar Anjum Rao

[moz]

i did actually say the deadly quadrant when making this thread, as bowlers as a unit are what win you games and keep you consistantley winning. Sure all of them individually have a few tweaks to make but together they can be leathel/deadly/dangerous/unsafe...whichever you prefer!

[Momo]

Originally Posted by shabas I want to see the GAS attack instead of AAG as one of them is always unfit in AAG attack.

[in_cutter]

Still a chance of AAG