Inzamam Vs. Tendulkar

[zahidmd]

This was Inzamam's 22nd Test century, and it is worth noting that 17 of these centuries have resulted in Pakistan wins. To take it one step further - two more of his centuries have resulted in draws. When Inzamam scores, and scores big, Pakistan just don't lose (Source-Cricinfo)

Now just consider how good is Tendu for India

[The_Cricket_Devil]

Inzi in recent times is far better than tendulkar why? because inzi is a calm person who is a team player and not a selfish personal record man like tendulkar is. Inzi is the type of man who is a calm giant and doesnt buckle under pressure thus he scores runs easily and doesnt stay out of form for long (the wc 2003 was his worst time but he came out of it fast) and tendu is far too inconsistent the only reason he has a high average is his past success of high runs that has kept him afloat he has done nothing recently (that 123 against us in the 4th odi wasnt bad tho)

[Ilyas]

That is why some people call Inzy "Sajjan Bae-Parwah" because he is so calm and cool...MashaAllah: Inzy is one of the greatest batsmen world has ever seen...He may have under performed on many occasions, but as far as God Gifted Talent, he is MashaAllah too good...

[Romali_rotti]

hehehe, I am not entering this one just yet :p..

[Mercenary]

Before 2000 it was a different story but since the year 2000, there has been a huge difference between the two batsmen. Below are their batting stats since 2000 (Excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe)...

60 inns. 3337 runs @ 59.58 avg. 329 HS. 11x 100. 16x 50 - Inzamam
70 inns. 3176 runs @ 49.62 avg. 241* HS. 8x 100. 16x 50 - Tendulkar

...there's a 10 run difference in average since 2000.

The only blip on Inzi's figures is that he hasnt played Australia more than once (whilst injured with a bad back) in that period but hopefully by the time Australia come to Pak he'll be in good shape and fit to put that right by then.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Mercenary Before 2000 it was a different story but since the year 2000, there has been a huge difference between the two batsmen. Below are their batting stats since 2000 (Excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe)... 60 inns. 3337 runs @ 59.58 avg. 329 HS. 11x 100. 16x 50 -Inzi 70 inns. 3176 runs @ 49.62 avg. 241* HS. 8x 100. 16x 50-Tendulkar ...there's a 10 run difference in average since 2000. The only blip on Inzi's figures is that he hasnt played Australia more than once (whilst injured with a bad back) in that period but hopefully he'll be in good shape and fit to put that right by then.

Though stats are only stats but in this case they do tell a story. The year 2000 was Inzi's revival as a test batsman or perhaps his real arrival. In fact it started in 1999, Australia. Since then he has been quite unstoppable in terms of runs and he has certainly been a better and more consistent player than Tendulkar. The only thing that can he held against him is that he didn't play the Aussies in the period.

Through the 90s Tendulkar was a far superior player.

[Farhad]

Quite conclusive statistical evidence, Merc. A 10-run differential is decisive when overall performance against non-minnows is being gauged.

[MRFWizard]

Inzy is a great batsman - a joy to watch. We love him in the West Indies. He is also a match winner. Now it isn't easy to work out whether Pakistan wins because of his batting or because Pakistan has a much more balanced team than India or the West Indies. Pakistan has decent bowling and winning is about taking 20 wickets. I agree that he has the most match winning tons of the three best batsmen of his generation - Lara, Tendy and Inzy - but study the stats of this match and you'll see contributions from several Pakistani batsmen, great wicket keeping and decent bowling (except for that pelter).
Tons from Inzy and Brian in the same match. That was beautiful batting - a purist's delight.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by MRFWizard Inzy is a great batsman - a joy to watch. We love him in the West Indies. He is also a match winner. Now it isn't easy to work out whether Pakistan wins because of his batting or because Pakistan has a much more balanced team than India or the West Indies. Pakistan has decent bowling and winning is about taking 20 wickets. I agree that he has the most match winning tons of the three best batsmen of his generation - Lara, Tendy and Inzy - but study the stats of this match and you'll see contributions from several Pakistani batsmen, great wicket keeping and decent bowling (except for that pelter). Tons from Inzy and Brian in the same match. That was beautiful batting - a purist's delight.

Welcome to PP MRFWizard - which other players from Pak impressed you ?

[nafajafam]

inzi has been better for the team when considering win/loss ratio, but tendulkar has been a better batsman throughout the 90's or maybe even till couple of years ago. many people on the board here say that tendulkar never won a test for his country but also say that a team needs 20 wickets to win a test, i think india never had those bowlers who could take 20 wickets in a test. on condsidering current form inzi is faring better than tendulkar. i really want inzi to make 10000 runs in test cricket before he retires. InshaAllah.

[MRFWizard]

Younis Khan, Kamran Akmal and Danish Kaneria impressed. Inzy has always been my number two batsman - second to Brian. Younis looked good - he has to sort out running beween the wickets but he can bat. Akmal will be one of the great wicket keeper batsmen in world cricket - sound batting technique and excellent keeping. Kaneria will make his presence felt on the world stage. Pakistan can win World Cup 2007.

[karachiite]

Inzi has a predictability about him. I mean we all know that he is gonna score big when the team really needs it and more often than not he does!

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by karachiite Inzi has a predictability about him. I mean we all know that he is gonna score big when the team really needs it and more often than not he does!

;)+
So true
Against Lanka, against India, against Windies and Im sure he would have done it against Aus had he not been injured

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Marooned Though stats are only stats but in this case they do tell a story.

It's always easier to accept/agree with stats when they agree with you

[zahidmd]

Another notable difference:

Inzy Vs. Tendulkar = Health Vs. Wealth

Tendu is all commercial (Money making Banya), while Inzy has "shal" Kamar from too much responsibilities

We are so much honored and delighted to welcome him and compnay in our city of Houston.

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Inzi

[aanand]

If Inzy is such a fine player, why his he still not playing for Pakistan?Pls dont say he is victim of politics and PCB

Answers your question

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by aanand If Inzy is such a fine player, why his he still not playing for Pakistan?Pls dont say he is victim of politics and PCB Answers your question

Many players have came and went since mr teenda

that dont mean sachin is better then them or they are better then sachin.

gilchrist, mcgrath, inzamam, shane warne, murli are just few examples

[aanand]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER Many players have came and went since mr teenda that dont mean sachin is better then them or they are better then sachin. gilchrist, mcgrath, inzamam, shane warne, murli are just few examples

Cummon be a sport, dont give excuses, your Miandad played for more time than Inzi, why

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by aanand Cummon be a sport, dont give excuses, your Miandad played for more time than Inzi, why

ur the one who is trying to create excuses coz if u read careful inzi beats teends hands down in this thread. read before you reply back with your lame reply next time

[Watsupdoc]

Yaar sab log haat dohke key pehchey pargai ho? Uski 100th century banwani hai kia?

[emclub]

Tendu > Inzi

[SOSami]

Guys, terms like Teenda and Aloo, add nothing to the debate.

They only serve to make me more hungry during the final fast before Eid - Eid Mubarak to all those celebrating

Just debate

[Mogambo28]

I just cant believe, that some of you guys think Inzi is better Tendulkar!

[freelance_cricketer]

Thanks for bumping

Inzi was such a fine player but just not fair to him being compared to The Great Man

[RightArm Fast]

Originally Posted by Mogambo28 I just cant believe, that some of you guys think Inzi is better Tendulkar!

Everyone has their own preferences...Also stats aren't everything, its about being MATCH WINNERS and when inzy scores he wins matches. Tendu is a very selfish player and buckles when he's required to perform. You'd want a match winner in your team anyday.

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by RightArm Fast Everyone has their own preferences...Also stats aren't everything, its about being MATCH WINNERS and when inzy scores he wins matches. Tendu is a very selfish player and buckles when he's required to perform. You'd want a match winner in your team anyday.

That's always a misconception about lower order players

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER Many players have came and went since mr teenda that dont mean sachin is better then them or they are better then sachin. gilchrist, mcgrath, inzamam, shane warne, murli are just few examples

how come mcgrath, warne, murli is better than sachin? .... Let me bring batting stats of them....

ONLY 2 are batsman among them. Taking out inzi, who left? Gilly....

Now is gilly > tendu?

I think even pak fans won't agree with that....

[Rookie123]

Apart from i dont think anyone in the whole world thinks Inzi was better than Sachin.....

Sachin is easily the greatest batsman ever from subcontinent....

Barring Bradman / Viv i dont think anyone else in the history of cricket comes close to him....

[talha3]

Guys before posting remember that this thread was created in 2005. Even if Inzi was even with Tendu in 05, the latter has achieved so much over the past 6 years that has put him in the top 5 best batsman of all time for sure.

[Justcrazy]

I agree, the amount of runs sachin has scored, he has to be the best in this era.

[Justcrazy]

Though I would not compare eras because bowlers were different and pitches were different.

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by Rookie123 Apart from i dont think anyone in the whole world thinks Inzi was better than Sachin..... Sachin is easily the greatest batsman ever from subcontinent.... Barring Bradman / Viv i dont think anyone else in the history of cricket comes close to him....

Kallis, Ponting, Dravid & Lara are ALL better then Tendulkar.

Tendulkar is NOT a match winner like Inzi..

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive Kallis, Ponting, Dravid & Lara are ALL better then Tendulkar. Tendulkar is NOT a match winner like Inzi..

watch the great man in 90s and tell the same.... All of them were playing 1st class cricket where as tendu was the backbone of indian national team.

[USMAN KHAN]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer Thanks for bumping Inzi was such a fine player but just not fair to him being compared to The Great Man

ITS SIMLPE THE LEGEND PLAYS FOR HIS COUNTRY AND SACHIN PLAYS FOR HIS AVERAGE.THE LEGEND INZI SCORES RUNS PAKISTAN WIN SACHIN SCORES INDIA LOSE.INZI IS AT HIS BEST WHEN UNDER PRESSURE AND HAS SCORED 80PERCENT OF HIS RUNS UNDERPRESSURE WHERE AS SACHIN GETS WORRIED PANICS AND GIVES HIS WICKET.INZI HAS ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD WHEN FACING FAST BOWLERS WHERE AS SACHIN IS RUSHED MAKES FAST BOWLERS LOOK QUIKER THAN WHAT THEY ARE BY JUMPING AROUND.INZY IS A TIGER A FIGHTER WHO NEVER GIVES UP NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION HE IS A MATCH WINNER WHO THE WHOLE OF CRICKET WORLD MISS WHAT A LEGEND.

[CORNERED-TIGER]

2 fine batsman

[Cricfan4eva]

Originally Posted by USMAN KHAN ITS SIMLPE THE LEGEND PLAYS FOR HIS COUNTRY AND SACHIN PLAYS FOR HIS AVERAGE.THE LEGEND INZI SCORES RUNS PAKISTAN WIN SACHIN SCORES INDIA LOSE.INZI IS AT HIS BEST WHEN UNDER PRESSURE AND HAS SCORED 80PERCENT OF HIS RUNS UNDERPRESSURE WHERE AS SACHIN GETS WORRIED PANICS AND GIVES HIS WICKET.INZI HAS ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD WHEN FACING FAST BOWLERS WHERE AS SACHIN IS RUSHED MAKES FAST BOWLERS LOOK QUIKER THAN WHAT THEY ARE BY JUMPING AROUND.INZY IS A TIGER A FIGHTER WHO NEVER GIVES UP NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION HE IS A MATCH WINNER WHO THE WHOLE OF CRICKET WORLD MISS WHAT A LEGEND.

2nd post and what an insightful one. You're a valuable addition to Pakpassion.

[kashmiri_lad]

Inzi for Pak Fans and Sachin for Rest of the World...

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by kashmiri_lad Inzi for Pak Fans and Sachin for Rest of the World...

wah... the world ends at chennai road

[SOSami]

Originally Posted by kashmiri_lad Inzi for Pak Fans and Sachin for Rest of the World...

I think that pretty much sums it up.

[ares1000]

Obviously Inzi was NOT better then SRT. He had much better bowlers to enable wins.

Please be sensible fellow PPers.

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Obviously Inzi was NOT better then SRT. He had much better bowlers to enable wins. Please be sensible fellow PPers.

YES....

even the bowlers batted for inzi

[kashmiri_lad]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER wah... the world ends at chennai road

It ends at World Cups especially in matches between India and Pakistan...Wah Wah...

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by kashmiri_lad It ends at World Cups especially in matches between India and Pakistan...Wah Wah...

YES it does end in the world cup........ but in the finals

[kashmiri_lad]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER YES it does end in the world cup........ but in the finals

I think you meant SEMI-FINAL ..

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by kashmiri_lad I think you meant SEMI-FINAL ..

no i ment what i wrote

ended in fianls

4+18 =22

thats where it all ended

[Masterji]

In terms of talent Inzi and tendy were about par but in terms of desire and achievement its not really a contest.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Masterji In terms of talent Inzi and tendy were about par but in terms of desire and achievement its not really a contest.

How do you measure that?

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by s2k How do you measure that?

when they start there careers...

its easy...

[Masterji]

I think Inzi had everything to become an all time great but a poor attitude to fitness and generally a laid back approach has led to him underachieving. He had a good career but it could have been so much more. Tendy has maximised every inch of his considerable talent and more.

[Sir.Unique]

Inzi is Kilometers better than tenda who basically wants to make runs even if his team loses sorry but i have respect for Tendu

[Sir.Unique]

^^ As a player i mean

[ballyho]

Originally Posted by Sir.Unique Inzi is Kilometers better than tenda who basically wants to make runs even if his team loses sorry but i have respect for Tendu

PP never fails to educate

[Masterji]

His job is to make runs. Its a team game and the team has to also make runs to make them successful. He plays for stats but so does every player. The guy is legend of this era whose records will take a generation or two to break.

[kashmiri_lad]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER no i ment what i wrote ended in fianls 4+18 =22 thats where it all ended

Still Inzamam doesn't make a great case either 42 + 15 = 57...
What about the 3 Man of the Match Awards out of 5 Matches between India and Pakistan...

[Statsman]

Average of 31 against Australia, 32 against South Africa. Enough said.

[Black Zero]

Inzi...
the best finisher ever.

[shark11]

How can inzi be compared with greatest batsman of current generation when he is not even the best batsman to have come out of Pakistan.

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by shark11 How can inzi be compared with greatest batsman of current generation when he is not even the best batsman to have come out of Pakistan.

gavaskar is the best indian batsman ever

sachin getting all the attention for of his odi record

[KSaeed]

If there has been a bit of a batting collapse and the team is in trouble, no-one does it better than Inzy. However, most other situations Tendulkar is just among the best, if not the best.

[Fastbowler123]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER gavaskar is the best indian batsman ever sachin getting all the attention for of his odi record

Gavaskar in Tests/Odis > Tests + Odis for Tendulkar ? Ridiculous.

Gavaskar was a below average Odi Cricket.

[Hasan]

God and dog!

[ballyho]

Originally Posted by KSaeed If there has been a bit of a batting collapse and the team is in trouble, no-one does it better than Inzy. However, most other situations Tendulkar is just among the best, if not the best.

Before Sehwag-Gambhir arrived, Sachin walked in invariably at 20/2.

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by CORNERED-TIGER YES.... even the bowlers batted for inzi

You dont win a game unless you take 20 wkts. For most of his career, SRT played with basically club level bowlers. So even if he scored, they could not get the win.

Inzi had W/W/S/S/ etc to utilize his efforts.

[ddss]

Inzy was the man! A true matchwinner

[VTEC]

Tendulkar's performance in ODIs and Tests combined puts him in a whole different League

Inzi is Kilometers better than tenda who basically wants to make runs even if his team loses sorry but i have respect for Tendu

what kind of Logic is this? o_O

If a Team is losing the best a Batsman can do is Score Runs

[JibranAnsari]

Sachin is the greatest modern batsman but If I have to win a match I would rely more on Inzamam.

[ares1000]

Lara is the greatest modern batsman, but yes SRT> Inzi.

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Lara is the greatest modern batsman, but yes SRT> Inzi.

Somewhat agree, but also Saeed Anwar>>Inzi

[Shahid20Ten]

both are good

[srh]

I would never picked Inzi over Tendulkar. But this thread is definitely an eye opener. Out of 22 hundreds, 17 hundreds in winning cause and 2 hundreds to force draw? Its like Inzi's motto was "Just win, baby".

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by ares1000 You dont win a game unless you take 20 wkts. For most of his career, SRT played with basically club level bowlers. So even if he scored, they could not get the win. Inzi had W/W/S/S/ etc to utilize his efforts.

question again

read again

did the bowlers made runs 4 inzi?

look at his record after wasim n waqar... in wins

and talk

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by Fastbowler123 Gavaskar in Tests/Odis > Tests + Odis for Tendulkar ? Ridiculous. Gavaskar was a below average Odi Cricket.

if u gonna rate any by his odi stats from early 1970s ti 1980s is bit harsh

but i would want gavaskar any day ... in tests over sachin...

[Rookie123]

Tendulkar throughout his career was compared to Lara and initially to M Waugh as well by a lot of cricket experts but i dont think Inzi was ever in that league...

Barring i dont think anyone ever thought Inzi to be in the same league as Lara / Sachin, i mean here on PP u will get it but otherwise no....

[CORNERED-TIGER]

^

and on indianpassion what u talk?

god of tennis?

[Bullet Drive]

Tendulkar is good however if I want a match to be won which is what cricket is all about.

Inzamam is the man.

[Zohaib Shah]

Inzi is a great player. I rate him Highly. Cause he had the look of a batsman and some of the shots he played were amazing.

Tendulkar on the other end is a great sight to see in cricket. And of course he truly is a legend. But I don't think I've seen Tendulkar win India a match in very high pressure situations. Like Inzi has. I Think these two are two totally different batsmen and I don't really see that much of a comparison between the two. The only thing that stands out is that these two can switch gears any second and truly be bother to get out if their on song. Inzi may not have achieved as much as Tendulkar but in my eyes hes truly a Legend. He won us matches in high pressure situations and he truly deserves the applause he gets. And no stats can prove the class he was.

[giri26]

The most funny part is that each and every Australian Batsmen during their team's dominance from 1995 - 2007 have brilliant win/loss record. Does that mean that Langer, Martin,Hayden and everyone is better than Inzi? The reason teams win is due to the fact that the bowling attack is able to capitalize on the batsman's runs. If you score 150 and take your team to 400 and your bowlers allow the opposition to score 500, no one can win a match. Sachin was just part of very poor Indian team and he should not be blamed for his team not winning. There is nothing called Match winning players, but yes there is something called match winning knocks.

Match winning knock = An innings/score which becomes match winning when your bowlers take 20 wickets to dismiss the opposition.

Matt hayden has 28 out of his 30 test hundreds in matches either won or drawn. 23 in winning cause, 5 in drawn games. Is he better than Inzi?

His opening partner JL Langer has 22 out of his 23 test hundreds in games either won or drawn, 15 in wins and 7 in draws.

That shows that even good batsmen can have brilliant record and more match winning knocks than great players if they are part of good teams. Brian Lara agreed as one of the best player of his generation in PP even higher than Tendulkar has the poorest record and has least match winning hundreds:

out of his 34 test hundreds only 8 were in winning cause. Does that mean that Lara is a mediocre player?

Sachin has 20 match winning hundreds out of which 16 have come since 2000. Which clearly shows that Sachin's hundreds started producing results owing to a better Indian team. It also shows that how badly the Indian team of the 90's wasted some of the gems of Sachin during his earlier years in international cricket.

[freelance_cricketer]

Threads like this are very unfair to the player who's obviously not as good as the other one. These threads usually end up with the inferior player's legacy being thrashed to pieces

Inzi is someone who gets the respect of Indian fans for being a wonderful Cricketer and a great human being and not just as a great batsman. Don't push us to criticize Inzi We love him

[CORNERED-TIGER]

Originally Posted by giri26 The most funny part is that each and every Australian Batsmen during their team's dominance from 1995 - 2007 have brilliant win/loss record. Does that mean that Langer, Martin,Hayden and everyone is better than Inzi? The reason teams win is due to the fact that the bowling attack is able to capitalize on the batsman's runs. If you score 150 and take your team to 400 and your bowlers allow the opposition to score 500, no one can win a match. Sachin was just part of very poor Indian team and he should not be blamed for his team not winning. There is nothing called Match winning players, but yes there is something called match winning knocks. Match winning knock = An innings/score which becomes match winning when your bowlers take 20 wickets to dismiss the opposition. Matt hayden has 28 out of his 30 test hundreds in matches either won or drawn. 23 in winning cause, 5 in drawn games. Is he better than Inzi? His opening partner JL Langer has 22 out of his 23 test hundreds in games either won or drawn, 15 in wins and 7 in draws. That shows that even good batsmen can have brilliant record and more match winning knocks than great players if they are part of good teams. Brian Lara agreed as one of the best player of his generation in PP even higher than Tendulkar has the poorest record and has least match winning hundreds: out of his 34 test hundreds only 8 were in winning cause. Does that mean that Lara is a mediocre player? Sachin has 20 match winning hundreds out of which 16 have come since 2000. Which clearly shows that Sachin's hundreds started producing results owing to a better Indian team. It also shows that how badly the Indian team of the 90's wasted some of the gems of Sachin during his earlier years in international cricket.

always would rate a player who won more for the team

as for lara.... at least he won some matches on his own... unlike some one from land of chai