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Old 10th October 2008, 20:40
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Rate Pakistan's performance v Canada

3/10

Absolutely terrible.

Poor batting against overweight, part-time expat cricketers.

Fielding was shoddy.....misfields galore and some dropped catches that a 8 year old would be ashamed of.

Captaincy was unimaginative.

Had Canada held their nerve - they SHOULD have won. They just captulated and gave their wickets away needlessly.

Just my personal opinion.

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Old 10th October 2008, 20:41
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Looks like a win without effort.

6/10

Lost four points for Malik's captaincy + fielding today.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:41
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pathetic, poor batting, poor fielding, and poor captaincy letting sohail khan to only bowl one over
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:44
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pathetic, poor batting, poor fielding, and poor captaincy letting sohail khan to only bowl one over
That sums up my take on today's performance aswell!
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:44
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my rating .... 10/10.. a win is a win is a win is a win... LMAO... i don't care how you get it.. for me the result is the key thing... yea it's weird way to look at things but that's the way it is...
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:45
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Batting was poor apart from Butt at end of inns.

Running between wickets was poor, fielding shambolic

Captaincy was average an stale as usual!
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:45
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like monsee said, malik wins the chootiya of the match award
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:48
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only butt and gul played well
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:48
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Rusty, not the best.

But it was a 20/20 and it was only Canada and it was their first game in a long time. Afridi should have come in at 4 inplace of Malik.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:49
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I don't see why everyone has having a go at Malik. With the amount of wides and fast bowlers bowling...Malik went through his overs quickly and that is the reason he brought himself on.

I mean with Akhtar, Gul, Tanveer and Afridi bowling who had the least amount of chances of bowling four overs? Malik is secrewed if bowls or doesn't bowl either way.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:52
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we will see tomorrow if he bowls 4 overs again
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:53
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I don't see why everyone has having a go at Malik
Because Sohail Khan is a speacilist bowler. He is also a young memer of the team. He bowled one over, in a perfect situation for him to gain some exerience - and show what he has to offer.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:54
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Here are my views:

We played OK. I'm not too worried about the batting, they were rusty and jet-lagged... there's too much quality in that line-up so there's not much to fret about. If Butt does not get a big score, Younis will. If Younis doesn't, Malik will, and if our captain doesn't, Misbah will play one of his special knocks. If all else fails, tell Shahid to break the ground and the country, and that will work. Bottom line is: can't be too worried about the batting line-up.

Our bowling, on paper, looked exceptionally strong but our bowling changes made absolutely no sense. I don't have a problem with Malik bowling, he's an all-rounder, who is a good bowler in limited overs cricket but there was no reason for him to bowl four overs today, regardless of over-rate. The whole point of throwing Sohail Khan into the deep end is to see if he can keep afloat - letting him bowl one over is just ridiculous. Malik could have bowled a couple of overs -- he didn't have to bowl all four.

Fielding - we just kind of lost it a little. Shoaib Khan was awful, must be first-game nerves or something because I can't imagine such a talented youngster being so mediocre. The catch he did not go for, and the mis-field at the boundary was cringe-worthy, not international standard by any stretch. Butt was poor in the field -- he also dropped two dollies. We really need to work on that, but I think we can get it together.

The field settings were OK, but the bowling changes were crap, and the mentality was crap. We need to see how good Sohail Khan and Anwer Ali really are.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:55
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4/10. A very rusty performance. I think they were fortunate that they were only playing Canada with all due respect to them.

The batting lacked urgency apart from a few lusty blows by SB. The bowling was a mixed bag and the fielding very shoddy.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:57
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:57
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Oh, I forgot something.

The batting order was useless, there's absolutely no flexibility there at all. There is absolutely no point in having such a monster hitter in the team, if he's going to come in with nine deliveries left to be bowled. He could inflict maximum amount of damage coming in with 8-10 overs to go, not 8-10 deliveries to go. And then when he fails trying to make up for the rest of the batsman, he's the scapegoat. Twenty-twenty's are not Test matches - you have to have a flexible batting order and Afridi has to be played as a floater. If he's not going to open or come one down, he should be promoted when we are in a bit of trouble. If he lasts for fifteen balls, the momentum is back with us.

It's an impact game, and we have the perfect impact player. And we're fully misusing him. It's a damn shame.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:58
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WHY did malik bowl the last over while SOHAIL khan still had 3 overs............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:59
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I think there should only be one of Salman Butt or Younis Khan in the 20/20 squad. For ODIs it looks good as both player can accelerate - but in 20/20 there is not enough time for both to get settled.
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:59
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All in all, I wasn't too pleased. But, we landed in Canada not long before the match, and barely had any time to get acclimatized with the conditions and the country, so a little bit of rustiness was on the cards. I just hope we lift our game against Sri Lanka - if we make these school-boy mistakes against the Sri Lankans, they will make us pay for it. They are all smart cricketers, and we have to be too.

I still regard as favorites though, I always do when we're playing the Lankans.
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Old 10th October 2008, 21:06
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4/10. But it was our first match in Canada after a long time and our first game in international cricket after a while so the guys were a bit rusty. But some points i would like to raise.

We need to amend our batting tactics. In t-20 cricket, you are supposed to go for the kill from 10th to 12th over i.e quick runs, lusty hitting especially when we have lost early wickets. If we have not lost early wickets, we should be going bonkars from the 5th over onwards. But when Butt, Misbah were batting, there wasnt enough urgency in the batting and the hitting came way to late. For someone like Afridi to come in when their are one or two overs left is just unacceptable. Same mistakes being made again and again.

Our fielding has never been our strong point and we havent played for a while so this is no surprise and i expect the team will work hard on this.

Bowling wides were a problem but the guys were playing in Canada for the first time and majority of the team was rusty so fair enough. Hopefully just a one of thing. If Pak is going to play Akhtar, Gul, Sohail Khan, Tanvir in the 11 it is imperative we reduce the extras and we make a special effort to improve our over rate. Afridi will always be dependable for giving us the break throughs, giving us much needed dot balls. Malik can also bowl if the situation demands it and if one of the faster bowlers has an of day.

But the biggest and most unforgivable mistake of the match. To play Sohail Khan and just give him one over. This is criminal, the match was already in the bag but no our beloved captain preferred to bowl himself at the end. This is what i mean by having good captains and how they can get the best out of their players. I sure hope that Malik is now removed from the captaincy. Having blind faith in someone who has repeated the same inexcusable mistakes again and again is now border lining on stupidity and is detrimental to the best interests of the squad.
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Old 10th October 2008, 21:11
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I only saw few overs of the match so I can't say. But this rustiness thing that people are mentioning??? They played much tougher teams last weekend in RBS T20. Well most here didn't see thoes matches so no way to compare but if that RBS tournament didn't take away the rustiness then it will stay for this whole al Bakra tournament. The only thing can be new ground and pitch for them

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Old 10th October 2008, 21:16
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my rating .... 10/10.. a win is a win is a win is a win... LMAO... i don't care how you get it.. for me the result is the key thing... yea it's weird way to look at things but that's the way it is...
Thats probably the way the PAK team is looking at it, a win is a win: "dropped catches because of sun" "we won 11 consecutive matches" etc etc.

Thats why they dont improve their game
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Old 10th October 2008, 21:56
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3/10

Absolutely terrible.

Poor batting against overweight, part-time expat cricketers.

Fielding was shoddy.....misfields galore and some dropped catches that a 8 year old would be ashamed of.

Captaincy was unimaginative.

Had Canada held their nerve - they SHOULD have won. They just captulated and gave their wickets away needlessly.

Just my personal opinion.
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Old 10th October 2008, 21:59
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my rating .... 10/10.. a win is a win is a win is a win... LMAO... i don't care how you get it.. for me the result is the key thing... yea it's weird way to look at things but that's the way it is...

Agreed. I thought it was a really good performance. 30something runs in T20s is a pretty decent margin. Butt batted brilliantly while the rest were alright, but 130 against this attack was always going to be a tough ask.

As for Sohail Khan not bowling more than an over, even I found that weird. They probably want to keep him fit and energetic for the important game vs. Sri Lanka.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:01
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Agreed. I thought it was a really good performance. 30something runs in T20s is a pretty decent margin. Butt batted brilliantly while the rest were alright, but 130 against this attack was always going to be a tough ask.

As for Sohail Khan not bowling more than an over, even I found that weird. They probably want to keep him fit and energetic for the important game vs. Sri Lanka.


I think he is going to get dropped...
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:03
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3/10

Absolutely terrible.

Poor batting against overweight, part-time expat cricketers.

Fielding was shoddy.....misfields galore and some dropped catches that a 8 year old would be ashamed of.

Captaincy was unimaginative.

Had Canada held their nerve - they SHOULD have won. They just captulated and gave their wickets away needlessly.

Just my personal opinion.



Well, if they reach only one day before the match to a place so far away, obviously they are going to be jet lagged. I know that's no excuse in international cricket, but I think the fielding being so poor was alright today, since at most times in the game, Pakistan was in control.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:09
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If you guys are rating this game ... 3/10 and 4/10 ... what's the difference between a loss and a win then ... they lose you rate them 2/10 or 3/10... they win by a big margin yet you still rate them 3/10 .. i see this as being a lose lose situation for Malik...
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:14
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my rating .... 10/10.. a win is a win is a win is a win... LMAO... i don't care how you get it.. for me the result is the key thing... yea it's weird way to look at things but that's the way it is...
true a win is a win
but are you happy with the performance? thats the point of the thread
imagine that kind of performance against a better side
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:15
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^it depends on the opposition

If this was zimbabwe, i would rate it 5/10 instead of 3/10. If it was bangladesh, i wouldve rate it 6/10 or 7/10. Against any other strong opposition it wouldve been a very good win, i.e. 8/10 or 9/10.

It all depends on the opposition, and Canada were a bunch of overweight part-time club cricketers (i see that CAN flag by ur name, so u might not agree with me)
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:17
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3/10

Absolutely terrible.

Poor batting against overweight, part-time expat cricketers.

Fielding was shoddy.....misfields galore and some dropped catches that a 8 year old would be ashamed of.

Captaincy was unimaginative.

Had Canada held their nerve - they SHOULD have won. They just captulated and gave their wickets away needlessly.

Just my personal opinion.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:29
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team is still jet-lagged, batting except for Butt looked drugged up, the bowling was drunk with the amount of wides, fielding was extremely poor, but i dont read much into it as they just arrived in canada not long enough to get settled, tomorrow will be the big test and show how lethal we can be with our hard hitting batting and pacey attack
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:34
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The good news is that after watching that horror show Sri Lanka might get complacent and take it easy.

The bad news is Sri Lanka probably won't get complacent and Pakistan will make it easy.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:45
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I think he is going to get dropped...


Well, let's see about that. END RESULT : We won quite comfortably.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:46
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The good news is that after watching that horror show Sri Lanka might get complacent and take it easy.

The bad news is Sri Lanka probably won't get complacent and Pakistan will make it easy.



Pakistan's performance was much better than Sri Lanka's today, I felt.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:49
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Oh, I forgot something.

The batting order was useless, there's absolutely no flexibility there at all. There is absolutely no point in having such a monster hitter in the team, if he's going to come in with nine deliveries left to be bowled. He could inflict maximum amount of damage coming in with 8-10 overs to go, not 8-10 deliveries to go. And then when he fails trying to make up for the rest of the batsman, he's the scapegoat. Twenty-twenty's are not Test matches - you have to have a flexible batting order and Afridi has to be played as a floater. If he's not going to open or come one down, he should be promoted when we are in a bit of trouble. If he lasts for fifteen balls, the momentum is back with us.

It's an impact game, and we have the perfect impact player. And we're fully misusing him. It's a damn shame.


Afridi: I don't want to open. The middle order is filled with quality players,which Afridi doesn't qualify as. Plus, he plays as a bowling all rounder and doesn't deserve a place up the order.
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Old 10th October 2008, 22:49
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Batting ---- 6 out of 10.
Bowling ---- 7 out of 10.
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Batsmen gave away their wickets easily. Bowlers were lacking control. Fielding was disgraceful.
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Old 11th October 2008, 00:01
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from the looks of the scorecard
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Old 11th October 2008, 02:52
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yea it wanst that good at all.....the batting certainly lacked punch...mayb it was the jet lag considering they only got here less than 24 hours before the match
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Old 11th October 2008, 03:02
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Does any body have the link for the highlights for todays match
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Old 11th October 2008, 03:44
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6/10 batting as pitch was very sluggish
7/10 bowling the defended a small total
3/10 fielding have always been a week link
-10/10 captaincy
what the hell what :romeo is up to he always do this to newcomers made
numanullah bat @ 8 number give sohail only one over have personal problems with fawad
Pakistan should sack him ASAP other wise he'll keep spoiling our young talent
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Old 11th October 2008, 03:44
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Is this Malik guy ever going to realize what he is doing to the youngesters.I wish the worse will happen to him in future and he will even get banned from playing gully cricket.
He never ever let a chance to ruin the confidence of new crop.
Shame on him.
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