OT:For american football fans - MOSS TO BE TRADED!!!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

i aint happy at that idea - guy is our best WR - but he is a trouble maker then we are better off without him - can get a 1st round pick plus a solid replacement.


my views on minnesota vikings

corey chavous is back at safety - him and williams really strengthen our secondary.

DT'S - we have 2 really good tackles in hovan and k williams - could use a defensive end.

need a good running back - some good players in draft are suitable

JEREMIAH trotter is available as well as givens from the pats - useful


Moss likely to go either to the raiders,skins,jets,ravens

[Civil]

For those non-football fans moss can be paralleled to shoaib akhtar multiplied by 2

Vikings will be fine WIY , though i hope the touchdown entertainment continues wherever he goes

:oD

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

YES CIVIL I AGREE - MOSS IS AKHTAR BUT FAR WORSE - guy is so arrogant although he backs it up on th epitch consistently

we need a replacement WR - possibly stokely from colts who is likely to leave

[Civil]

well i dont think theyll get a good reciever drafting 18th

id go with drafting in defence, and hoping they can pick up a good replacement through trade or free agent

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

civil plan is when moss is traded - to get either two first round picks from a side or a first round and an established player - now if that were the raiders - vikings would get a good pick in that case

trotter would be great but yes our defence needs bolstering

who u support civil?

[Civil]

Eagles

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

u were unlucky i must say - but T.O was brilliant and not fully fit!!!

[Civil]

Yeah the last five minutes me and my friends were going nuts cause of the pace they were going at, but now they're saying McNabb was so sick he was gonna throw up and Mitchell had to call plays, so yeah very unlucky

[Zeeshan]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker YES CIVIL I AGREE - MOSS IS AKHTAR BUT FAR WORSE - guy is so arrogant although he backs it up on th epitch consistently we need a replacement WR - possibly stokely from colts who is likely to leave

i doubt stokely is gonna leev from thr colts and moss mite be trouble but he shudnt be traded...his performance is gr8

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Mcnabb didnt seem himself - i know he wants to be considered a pocket passer but the guy has great scrambling abilities - needs to use it - maybe he was too ill too? also why were they going for huddle - should have hurried up - akers is a great kicker - could have made 55yrd field goal easy plus TO was on the pitch

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

zeeshan bro - after the deals that manning,harrison signed - colts dont have a lot of room in the salray cap - edge james isnt payed big bucks either - stokeley may stay but only at small salary - he can lead the line at vikings

[Zeeshan]

but hwy wud they trade moss...hez their best reciever..and also...stokely has proved to play well which is why if the cotls to get moss then wayne or harrison wud go

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

nah u dont get what im saying bro - stokeley may be released as they cant offer him an extension with improved salary but vikings should trade him to skins or raiders or even ravens(maybe ray lewis - yeah i wish or jamal lewis)

[Zeeshan]

yea thts rite...ravens cud really use a wide reciever btu they wud never giv ray or jamal for it...maybe chris mcallister

[Naveed]

It's not like the Vikings have won anythng with Moss. He has really become a distraction for the team and a change of scenery would be good for both parties.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

zeeshan - i would take mcallister - he is good but maybe ogden but we really need linemen

[Zeeshan]

he got injured when the vikings were 4-2

[Naveed]

BTW, what did you guys think about the overly patriotic display at the Super Bowl? Kind of made me sick.

[Late Cut]

Last I heard Stokley has agreed to sign a deal and stay with the Colts. I may be wrong.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

naveed i agree - it is a bloody sporting event.

late cut in that case edge james aint gonna be best pleased coz he wont get a top dollar contract - they spent too much on manning,harrison,wayne,freeney and now stokeley

[nafajafam]

salam guys, who among you lives in minnesota?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

ws, i dont, i live in uk - BUT AN AVID VIKINGS FAN - we did well this season but got outclassed by philly

[CrickFan]

Hey are you guys from Minneapolis ?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

afraid not - im from uk but a big vikings fan

[CrickFan]

I am from Minnesota !!

[Oxy]

Why is it called American Football, when they rarely kick the ball?

Shouldnt it be called 'run or throw ball'?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

CF - what do th locals think of moss - and his antics which are similar to kotha but far worse

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

KAPOLEI, Hawaii (Feb. 9, 2005) -- Though Daunte Culpepper can hardly imagine the Vikings ' offense without Randy Moss, the Pro Bowl quarterback knows he might have thrown his last pass to his favorite target.

Moss' future in Minnesota is in doubt after the least impressive season in his seven-year career. After years of ignoring the receiver's eccentricities and excusing his misbehaviors, the Vikings seem to be fed up with Moss -- and even Culpepper understands.

"He's my good friend, but you almost get to thinking that maybe enough is enough," Culpepper said after a Feb. 9 practice for his third Pro Bowl appearance in five seasons. "And maybe the Vikings organization has had enough."

Moss caught just 49 passes for 767 yards this season, though he still scored 13 touchdowns. A hamstring injury limited him for much of the year, and he went five games without catching a pass midway through the season.

Moss then infuriated his teammates and coaches by walking off the field early while the Vikings attempted an onside kick in the regular season finale at Washington.

And though he played with a sprained ankle in the postseason, he drew more ire -- and a $10,000 fine from the NFL -- for pretending to moon Green Bay fans after scoring the final touchdown in Minnesota's playoff victory at Lambeau Field.

Moss was left off the NFC's Pro Bowl roster for just the second time in his career, and Culpepper hasn't spoken to him since Minnesota's season ended with a 27-14 playoff loss to Philadelphia last month.

"It's not my decision, what happens with Randy," Culpepper said. "The Vikings organization makes that decision, and whatever they do, that's what's going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised, no matter what happens."

Many league observers believe the Vikings will attempt to trade Moss, if they haven't tried already this offseason -- though his hefty contract and extensive collection of baggage could make it difficult. So far, team officials have denied the widespread rumors about ongoing trade talks regarding Moss, saying the team hasn't completed its offseason personnel meetings.

Vikings center Matt Birk, who will play in his fourth Pro Bowl in seven seasons, said the club sometimes must "take the good with the bad" when Moss is involved.

It's difficult to say what a trade might bring to Minnesota. When the San Francisco 49ers traded Terrell Owens last winter, they got a second-round pick from Baltimore -- but when that deal was invalidated by the league, they got only defensive lineman Brandon Whiting from Philadelphia.

But Owens was still under contract to San Francisco only because of a paperwork mistake that prevented him from becoming a free agent, while Moss is in the middle of a lucrative long-term contract. The Vikings almost certainly would need a solid veteran and a high draft pick to be persuaded to give up one of the NFL's best playmakers.

Culpepper and Moss have been together throughout the quarterback's career, but Culpepper has been frustrated by Moss' unique style. Culpepper even has been seen yelling at the receiver occasionally.

Still, Moss' abilities are a big reason why Culpepper has become a star in the Vikings' powerful offense. Culpepper set franchise records with 4,717 yards passing and 39 touchdowns while completing 69.2 percent of his throws.

"We had a great year, and nothing about Randy's situation should take away from that," Culpepper said. "I was blessed. It just shows that hard work pays off."

And that's why Culpepper is ambivalent about Moss' possible departure. He believes Minnesota should keep together as much of that offense as possible, reserving its biggest changes for the defense.

"There are a lot of things we can do to improve on defense, and some of that you might be able to do with a trade," Culpepper said. "We've also got a lot of guys who can get the job done if we just play together. That's the most important thing: all of us playing together as a team."



MOSS IS SIMILAR TO AKHTAR - MORE FAMOUS BUT MORE OF A PROBELM - GUY JUST WALKED OFF THE PITCH IN ONE GAME

[Naveed]

No way that Akhtar is any way as bad as Moss. Moss would be a petty criminal if not for football and in fact has a significant criminal history.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

moss is a proper bad boy - akhtar seems a bit like a wannabe. Coincidental or not but a lot of NFL players have dodgy crime pasts and some well known ones as well i mean ppl like Ray lewis,jamal lewis

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

there are some great players available for trade/free agency

as mentioned u have jeremiah trotter also patrick surtain(Yes minnesota are after him), jerome bettis(would love him at the vikings),travis henry,jerry porter etc

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

also fred smoot and DREW BREES!!!!!

[Pathan007]

Originally Posted by oXy bhai Why is it called American Football, when they rarely kick the ball? Shouldnt it be called 'run or throw ball'?

i know.we call Football soccer and this throwy thing football. weird in my opinion |-K

[nafajafam]

crickfan you live in minneapolis?