Virender Sehwag vs. Kevin Pieterson

[tmac4real]

Both are excellent test batsman. But if you had to pick one and say that one is better, who would you pick?

Who would you pick.
Who would you be more afraid of playing against.
Who do you feel will go down in history as better.

Mine would be:

Who would you pick? Sehwag
Who would you be more afraid? Sehwag
Who would go down as greater? Pieterson

[hussein]

Please tell me why would any fans be scared of sehwag or pietersen?

[Oxy]

Has Pieterson been awarded Indian Citizenship already? That was quicker than I expected!

I pick Tendulkar

[tmac4real]

Originally Posted by hussein Please tell me why would any fans be scared of sehwag or pietersen?

Their team playing against them?

[tmac4real]

Originally Posted by Oxy Has Pieterson been awarded Indian Citizenship already? That was quicker than I expected! I pick Tendulkar

what? you disagreeing that Pieterson is a top test batsman?

[Savak]

I was a great fan of Pieterson in 2004 and 2005. But after that he has become a really boring player to watch. That fear element from his game has just gone. At times whenever i see him bat, i unfortunately get the impression the man doesnt play for his team and only plays for records or his own score. I still remember how readily he used to expose the English tailenders to the likes of Shane Warne and Mcgrath in the ashes series of Jan 2007.

Sehwag is someone who will be remembered. He even opens the batting and plays the most unbelievable strokes ever. He is at the moment more entertaining to watch then Pieterson.

[12thMan]

Sehwag has done more damage to Pakistan so I pick Sehwag. I think he has been the dangerman last 2-3 series against us.

[IronMan2009]

Sehwag the butcher belongs to a different category. Guys like him are the reason why Test cricket is watchable. If we have handful alistair cooks and ashwell princes Test cricket will suffer a quick death. Ofcourse KP is also a positive player. But he is trying to be "responsible" lol

[DHONI183]

Virender Sehwag: anyday, any place, anytime!!! He plays positive cricket, is a match-winner, selfless, fearless. These are the qualities of the man.......

[DavidH]

Kevin PietersOn vs. Kevin PietersEn.

[Easa]

Is this even a contest?

Pietersen will dominate international records, headlines, and teams for the next decade. He is a superbly talented player.

[maamrut]

Sehwag obviously.

[khatri]

Originally Posted by Oxy Has Pieterson been awarded Indian Citizenship already? That was quicker than I expected! I pick Tendulkar

This man has no conscience and is a cricket equivalent of a member of oldest profession in the world (you know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink). The way he is going he may soon get a padmashri or whatever and move his home to india. Saffers will not be surprised, nor would I.

[Taurus]

I'd pick Pietersen on a seaming pitch and Sehwag anywhere else/on the sub-continent. All in all, Pietersen's not done too badly for himself to have gone from an off-spinner to an excellent batsman, but he hasn't yet achieved anywhere near his potential. Nor has Sehwag. I think in many respects you can attribute Pietersen's hot and cold performances to the attitude towards cricket in his country, whereas Sehwag too can attribute his improvement to the attitude in his country. Both have a profound talent, but Pietersen's has been burdened heavily, over critiqued, and consequently has regressed. The same as Panesar, the same as Harmison, the same as a lot of Englishmen.

So yeah, what I said in the first sentence. With a possible re-evaluation in the future.

[Easa]

I don't think it's much of a comparison, to be honest.

Throwing statistics aside, where I think it's pretty even between the two, Pietersen is just the more gifted player. Statistics are a fickle trade; they can be manipulated beyond customary belief, but qualitative cricketing analysis is perhaps better used as a judge. And in that, I think Pietersen wins the race. I haven't seen a modern-day batsman, excluding Lara, who has dominated the best bowlers in the world as frequently as Pietersen has in his young career.

The way he took to, perhaps the two greatest bowlers of the modern era, Glen McGrath and Shane Warne, will leave residue in my mind forever. It was such extravagance, such a blatant stamp of dominance... such a telling mark on the world, that it won't easily be forgotten. In the most hallowed cricketing ground of all time, he planted the world's greatest metrenome for a massive six over the grandstand, at a time where England were teetering and barely keeping abreast with the dominance of Australia. That was the day I realized that Kevin Pietersen was the future of international cricket... the future of this great game.

His personality and his attitude off the pitch is perceived, in some corners, as ignorant and greedy. But when he steps onto the cricket field, it is greatness, and it will be greatness for the rest of his career. And at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. A superb batsman, who will be in the elite until he decides to hang up the boots.

[hussein]

Originally Posted by DavidH Kevin PietersOn vs. Kevin PietersEn.

yes i wass the only poster to notice ...

[hussein]

Originally Posted by Easa I don't think it's much of a comparison, to be honest. Throwing statistics aside, where I think it's pretty even between the two, Pietersen is just the more gifted player. Statistics are a fickle trade; they can be manipulated beyond customary belief, but qualitative cricketing analysis is perhaps better used as a judge. And in that, I think Pietersen wins the race. I haven't seen a modern-day batsman, excluding Lara, who has dominated the best bowlers in the world as frequently as Pietersen has in his young career. The way he took to, perhaps the two greatest bowlers of the modern era, Glen McGrath and Shane Warne, will leave residue in my mind forever. It was such extravagance, such a blatant stamp of dominance... such a telling mark on the world, that it won't easily be forgotten. In the most hallowed cricketing ground of all time, he planted the world's greatest metrenome for a massive six over the grandstand, at a time where England were teetering and barely keeping abreast with the dominance of Australia. That was the day I realized that Kevin Pietersen was the future of international cricket... the future of this great game. His personality and his attitude off the pitch is perceived, in some corners, as ignorant and greedy. But when he steps onto the cricket field, it is greatness, and it will be greatness for the rest of his career. And at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. A superb batsman, who will be in the elite until he decides to hang up the boots.

[tmac4real]

Originally Posted by Easa I don't think it's much of a comparison, to be honest. Throwing statistics aside, where I think it's pretty even between the two, Pietersen is just the more gifted player. Statistics are a fickle trade; they can be manipulated beyond customary belief, but qualitative cricketing analysis is perhaps better used as a judge. And in that, I think Pietersen wins the race. I haven't seen a modern-day batsman, excluding Lara, who has dominated the best bowlers in the world as frequently as Pietersen has in his young career. The way he took to, perhaps the two greatest bowlers of the modern era, Glen McGrath and Shane Warne, will leave residue in my mind forever. It was such extravagance, such a blatant stamp of dominance... such a telling mark on the world, that it won't easily be forgotten. In the most hallowed cricketing ground of all time, he planted the world's greatest metrenome for a massive six over the grandstand, at a time where England were teetering and barely keeping abreast with the dominance of Australia. That was the day I realized that Kevin Pietersen was the future of international cricket... the future of this great game. His personality and his attitude off the pitch is perceived, in some corners, as ignorant and greedy. But when he steps onto the cricket field, it is greatness, and it will be greatness for the rest of his career. And at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. A superb batsman, who will be in the elite until he decides to hang up the boots.

And Sehwag has handled perhaps the best bowler in the world when on song, Shoaib Akthar, pretty handidly as well.

Pieterson is definitely the more talented and orthodox cricketer, after all he has 2 centuries against EVERY single team in world cricket, no minnows included. So he's obviously a very talented batsman who can destroy any attack from any country.

But to say this is not a comparison is absurd. I'm not sure how you can manipulate Sehwag stats.

For one, Sehwag's raw stats, his average SR etc are kind of hard to manipulate. You manipulate stats when you add filters to them, well see Sehwag's 1st innings is so much higher there Sehwag > Pieterson.

In this case Sehwag has both a higher average in more matches with less notouts, AND a much higher strike rate.
52 average at 77 SR is not manipulated.

He has scored a triple century at a run a ball in test cricket. Not manipulated.
He's scored a double century at a run a ball in test cricket, not manipulated.

If he destroyed a 35 year old McGrath and Warne, Sehwag handled a roaring Shoaib Akthar.

Here's his taking on Akthar and Saqlain. This is Saqlain's worst figures against India, and he's been probably the best spinner in world cricket against India:

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/64081.html

Here's him against the McGrath and Warne attack you speak off, when they were both YOUNGER and better:

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/stat...tch/64100.html

Sehwag has destroyed hsi fairs hare of good attacks.
And I already agreed wtih you, if you look in my OP I said that Pieterson would also be considered the better one when it was al said and then, but to say ti's not even a comparison si giong too far.

[feather]

Sehwag as he has basically taken everyone to cleaners as well. Has done well against Pakistan.

I least don't see anything great about Pieterson. Big guy so when on song he can play very aggressively. While his stats might looked good against Pakistan...if you watched him bat...he was miserable. I remember the century he got against Pakistan in England in which he clearly cheated.

Laxam has great record against the Aussies...just cause Pieterson helped the english team win the ashes...I just think people kind over credit him with greatness.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by feather Sehwag as he has basically taken everyone to cleaners as well. Has done well against Pakistan. I least don't see anything great about Pieterson. Big guy so when on song he can play very aggressively. While his stats might looked good against Pakistan...if you watched him bat...he was miserable. I remember the century he got against Pakistan in England in which he clearly cheated. Laxam has great record against the Aussies...just cause Pieterson helped the english team win the ashes...I just think people kind over credit him with greatness.

How did he cheat ? Not walking when he is out is not called 'cheating'.

[IronMan2009]

Who has the ability to shed hair faster?

Sehwag wins hands down

[hussein]

Originally Posted by bublubhuyan How did he cheat ? Not walking when he is out is not called 'cheating'.

that is cheating, thats like:

me playing snakes and ladders with you,

i roll a dice and get a 1, but u sneeze, while u have ur eyes closed for that split second i flick the dice and its goes to a 6 and i win...

[itduzz]

shewag only on flat sub continent tracks

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by itduzz shewag only on flat sub continent tracks

how abt australian "flat" tracks and nz pitches?

[BoomBoomAfridi]

Sehwag, any day! the guy is so potent and dangerous! Over the years he has hammered our bowling attack on many occasions.

Anyone remember the triple hundred at Multan back in 2005?

[IronMan2009]

Guys stop jinxing Sehwag . with these threads.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BoomBoomAfridi Sehwag, any day! the guy is so potent and dangerous! Over the years he has hammered our bowling attack on many occasions. Anyone remember the triple hundred at Multan back in 2005?

he also has 173, 201 and 254 against Pakistan. All huge hundreds

[Taurus]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan how abt australian "flat" tracks and nz pitches?

Sehwag averages 10 in NZ.

[itduzz]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan how abt australian "flat" tracks and nz pitches?

Originally Posted by Taurus Sehwag averages 10 in NZ.

and averages 26 in SA & 39 in Eng....well below his fake 50+ FTB average

[BoomBoomAfridi]

Originally Posted by 12thMan he also has 173, 201 and 254 against Pakistan. All huge hundreds

Exactly my point............if any team in International cricket knows how good Sehwag is, it's us Pakistan!

When he plays against us there's no in-betweens, he's either brilliant or poor, unfortuantely from our point of view he's brilliant more often than not


PS.............Kevin Pietersen is owned by Mohammed Asif! the number of times he has dismissed him for duck/golden duck is untrue!

[IronMan2009]

Dinesh karthik is the best batsman in SA . He is averaging 101.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by bublubhuyan How did he cheat ? Not walking when he is out is not called 'cheating'.

Hilarious from Indian supporter. Remember Symonds?

I guess it is only cheating when Australian player does not walk.

Sehwag>>>>KP

[IronMan2009]

There is no end to attack players using endless filtering.. oh.. boy this guy didn't score boundary of 4th ball of 2nd innings. Must be a bad batsman. What is next.. Bradman scored a duck in his last innings.. Don was under pressure to keep his average at 100 so he got out due to pressure. Must be a choker. Both are very good players. You gotta get over this "comparing business". It is never going to provide a conclusive answer.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by IronMan2009 There is no end to attack players using endless filtering.. oh.. boy this guy didn't score boundary of 4th ball of 2nd innings. Must be a bad batsman. What is next.. Bradman scored a duck in his last innings.. Don was under pressure to keep his average at 100 so he got out due to pressure. Must be a choker. Both are very good players. You gotta get over this "comparing business". It is never going to provide a conclusive answer.

Bradman was FTB

[itduzz]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Bradman was FTB

Bradman was ETB...

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by hussein that is cheating, thats like: me playing snakes and ladders with you, i roll a dice and get a 1, but u sneeze, while u have ur eyes closed for that split second i flick the dice and its goes to a 6 and i win...

So basically there have been thousands of cheaters in International cricket. Any batsman not walking when out is a cheater.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Hilarious from Indian supporter. Remember Symonds? I guess it is only cheating when Australian player does not walk. Sehwag>>>>KP

We were annoyed at Bucknor, not Symonds.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by bublubhuyan We were annoyed at Bucknor, not Symonds.

You may have been but masses of Indians were calling both Symonds and Ponting cheaters for not walking in that game.

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie You may have been but masses of Indians were calling both Symonds and Ponting cheaters for not walking in that game.

I dont know about symonds but we were cleary enraged at ponting for that bump catch and the fourth umpire.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by TruSachFan I dont know about symonds but we were cleary enraged at ponting for that bump catch and the fourth umpire.

Indian fans were enraged about everything to do with that Test and are still sooking about it.............will still be sooking in 5 years time I imagine

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie You may have been but masses of Indians were calling both Symonds and Ponting cheaters for not walking in that game.

People may have said it at the heat of the moment. They felt robbed by the umpires. But I'll never call any batsman a cheat for not walking.

[TruSachFan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Indian fans were enraged about everything to do with that Test and are still sooking about it.............will still be sooking in 5 years time I imagine

Probably

[PlanetPakistan]

Sehwag on NON seaming pitches(90% of the pitches)

[Random Aussie]

Wrong thread

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan Sehwag on NON seaming pitches(90% of the pitches)

Been saying the same here.

[deathstreak]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Indian fans were enraged about everything to do with that Test and are still sooking about it.............will still be sooking in 5 years time I imagine

and Australian fans will always be trying to put words in people's mouth i presume.

We were angry at Ponting about his fourth umpire impersonation and the bump catch.
Everyone was angry at Bucknor.

Symonds was the monkeygate scandal.. but hey lets change that so that after all whines are changeable.

Aussies still talk about the dark side of the moon don't they.. classic whiners, at least the pitch was same for both teams...

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by deathstreak Aussies still talk about the dark side of the moon don't they.. classic whiners, at least the pitch was same for both teams...

Of course we do it was the most blatant home team cheating pitch doctoring effort in the past decade.

But as far as the match goes nobody really cares, we had already won the series.

[deathstreak]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Of course we do it was the most blatant home team cheating pitch doctoring effort in the past decade. But as far as the match goes nobody really cares, we had already won the series.

really did the Indians not play on the same pitch??
Or is it that as soon as the Australians were batting some Indians came up and dug up the pitch using their third world technology

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by deathstreak really did the Indians not play on the same pitch?? Or is it that as soon as the Australians were batting some Indians came up and dug up the pitch using their third world technology

Yes India played on the same pitch and Michael Clarke took 6/9 which tells you about all you need to know about that pitch.

It was a disgrace, blatantly doctored pitch to suit the Indian spinners that was over in 3 days.

Whatever you can defend it all you like but if you think that pitch "just happened' to turn out like that I have some riverbank land in Bangladesh I will sell to you

[diondublin]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Indian fans were enraged about everything to do with that Test and are still sooking about it.............will still be sooking in 5 years time I imagine

Seems to me the Aussies are as guilty as the Indians when it comes to 'sooking', the Aussies can't seem to let the issue of a year ago go, when it comes to an Indian boycott amongst other things. Symonds seemed to be 'sooking' for along time.

But by no means are the Indians right either, don't get me started on that idiot Gavaskar, both sets of teams and supporters haven't carried themselves in a great light at all in my opinion. Both too stubborn and arrogant to realize that they're both at fault for the ugly events in that series. But as I said just my opinion.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by diondublin Symonds seemed to be 'sooking' for along time.

Wonder how one of the West Indians might have felt were they in Symonds position?

No kidding he is not happy he was hung out to dry by CA in order to appease India and downgrade the charge against Harby.

I don't pretend to know what went on and was said on the field but Symonds has every right to hold a grudge for the way CA treated him in order to keep BCCI happy.

[Rajan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Wonder how one of the West Indians might have felt were they in Symonds position? No kidding he is not happy he was hung out to dry by CA in order to appease India and downgrade the charge against Harby. I don't pretend to know what went on and was said on the field but Symonds has every right to hold a grudge for the way CA treated him in order to keep BCCI happy.

1.just curious to know whether Harbhajan would have been adjudged guilty for 'racial abuse' by the Judge, if CA continued the line and did not downgrade the charge on him?

2. i am sure u have gone through the Judge's enquiry and statements under oath by the players, comments by Judge, finally his findings/judgment.did he also 'APPEASE' the BCCI and tried to keep them Happy?

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Rajan 1.just curious to know whether Harbhajan would have been adjudged guilty for 'racial abuse' by the Judge, if CA continued the line and did not downgrade the charge on him? 2. i am sure u have gone through the Judge's enquiry and statements under oath by the players, comments by Judge, finally his findings/judgment.did he also 'APPEASE' the BCCI and tried to keep them Happy?

You are confusing the points, it is not about what the judge decided at all.

After the monkey stuff in India, Symonds/Ponting in particular and the rest of the team were told if there was any of that going on either on or off the field to report it to the match referee and they would be backed 100% by CA.

When BCCI threatened to go home (twice), CA realised they would be almost bankrupt if India carried through with the threat.

CA then basically forced Symonds/Ponting to agree to downgrade the charge. This caused a rift between the players and CA which continues to this day. Symonds is well entitled to feel aggrieved at the way his own board treated him and I don't blame him for still being unhappy about it.

Substance of the charge against Harby and whether or not he said "monkey" or "maan kii" is not what I am talking about here and would prefer not to discuss that part of it.

[diondublin]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Wonder how one of the West Indians might have felt were they in Symonds position?.

Your kidding right? West Indians have had monkey chants and the like in the rowdy parts of India for years. As for player abuse ask Dwayne Bravo about what Graeme Smith called him, far worse racial taunt than 'monkey'. But West Indian's haven't reacted as in the manner the Australian cricket team has.

Aussies are renowned sledges and if you're going to continually dish it (like Symonds does) you're only asking for someone to go to far, running to the match referee when it goes against you is just hypocritical. Shall I bring up the Sarwan McGrath incident, or when Gilly went running to the umpire after Rashid Latiff called him a white so and so. This Australian team always has to be right, they never do anything wrong its always the opposition.

Both teams poured fire on the situation themselves and the rest of the world is laughing at them and their lack of common sense behind their backs. Read Vettori's biography to learn more.

[cricjunkie]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie You may have been but masses of Indians were calling both Symonds and Ponting cheaters for not walking in that game.

Why are you muddling the issue ? Symonds was an issue in that test only because of the Bhajji incident. Bucknor was the real culprit.

Fact: Ponting, the self-appointed protagonist of fair play, asked Kumble to signup for a fair play pact (fielder's word on catches) & then promptly claimed a bump ball catch (Sydney 2nd inns) at a crucial juncture in the game. So its only natural that people wonder how can a player who does not walk (does not observe fair play) while batting, be trusted to be honest while feilding.

Fact: Clarkey, the crusader of the next generation, has a habit of claiming bump call catches (starting from the NZ vs Aus ODI series). While Ponting could at least defend himself against the bump ball allegation, Clarke is a daylight robber. He took a bump ball catch and along with Ponting declared Ganguly out, when the umpires were not sure what happened. Worse, the leg umpire Bucknor raises the finger based on Ponting's words & out goes Ganguly.

The same Clarke edged a catch to the first slip in the 2nd inns at Sydney & stood his ground, hoping the umpire would bail him out (he was that hopeful about the umpires ). Obviously, while fielding his levels of integrity & honesty rises to Gandhian levels that his judgement should be unquestioned.

India has lost many test matches to Australia. In 2004 series, you guys beat us fair and square. I'll grant you that. But what happened at Sydney was a farking farce. Only Pakistan suffered a fate (in that famous Hair-Gate test match) that was comparable in gravity.

Only a fool would trivialize so many anamolous events that happened all in ONE test match. I can understand why you do so, as it may just be the last test the Aussies beat India in the next decade

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by cricjunkie Why are you muddling the issue ? Symonds was an issue in that test only because of the Bhajji incident. Bucknor was the real culprit. Fact: Ponting, the self-appointed protagonist of fair play, asked Kumble to signup for a fair play pact (fielder's word on catches) & then promptly claimed a bump ball catch (Sydney 2nd inns) at a crucial juncture in the game. So its only natural that people wonder how can a player who does not walk (does not observe fair play) while batting, be trusted to be honest while feilding. Fact: Clarkey, the crusader of the next generation, has a habit of claiming bump call catches (starting from the NZ vs Aus ODI series). While Ponting could at least defend himself against the bump ball allegation, Clarke is a daylight robber. He took a bump ball catch and along with Ponting declared Ganguly out, when the umpires were not sure what happened. Worse, the leg umpire Bucknor raises the finger based on Ponting's words & out goes Ganguly. The same Clarke edged a catch to the first slip in the 2nd inns at Sydney & stood his ground, hoping the umpire would bail him out (he was that hopeful about the umpires ). Obviously, while fielding his levels of integrity & honesty rises to Gandhian levels that his judgement should be unquestioned. India has lost many test matches to Australia. In 2004 series, you guys beat us fair and square. I'll grant you that. But what happened at Sydney was a farking farce. Only Pakistan suffered a fate (in that famous Hair-Gate test match) that was comparable in gravity. Only a fool would trivialize so many anamolous events that happened all in ONE test match. I can understand why you do so, as it may just be the last test the Aussies beat India in the next decade

Yawn sorry not going to reargue Sydney.

Build a bridge, stop sooking and get over it.

I was talking about people calling Symonds a cheat for not walking when he nicked it. Which did happen although you are trying to muddle it with everything else.

Yes I am sure we will never beat India again, in fact I can't see another team beating India for at least 10 years.

Exhibit 423 - why RA hates India

[cricjunkie]

Back to the OP:

I think Sehwag's achievements are far superior than KP's. Building tall scores as an opener and doing so at the rate of knots is unseen in cricket history. There have been very many successful middle order batsmen, but very few openers who have averaged 50+ & very very few who scored at Sehwag's clip. His twin 300s (one better than 100% SR), 4 doubles, 10 consecutive 150s, scored all over the world and his ability to dominate pacers and spinners with equal ease is not something KP can match.

Sehwag has been the most dominant batsman in cricket history since the great Viv.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by cricjunkie Sehwag has been the most dominant batsman in cricket history since the great Viv.

No chance in hell

But yes he is better than KP

[feather]

Originally Posted by bublubhuyan How did he cheat ? Not walking when he is out is not called 'cheating'.

Fair enough! however telling the umpire that you didn't nick it...is!

I believe he went onto get a 100 and basically save the test match for england when he got a huge THICK nick the only freakin person who didn't see or hear it was the umpire...but kevin made sure he made the umpire aware he didn't nick it.

[DHONI183]

To call Sehwag an FTB would be quite unfair to him, in my opinion.