The life and times of Mohammed Asif [Merged]

[Mian Hassan]

Karachi: The flip flop over controversial Pakistan pacer Mohammad Asif's hearing in the Indian Premier League doping case still continues with the IPL drugs tribunal contemplating of shifting back the venue of the hearing to India.

Asif's was scheduled to appear before the drugs tribunal in London on January 24 following a request from the pacer and his lawyer Shahid Karim to shift the hearing to a neutral venue after Mumbai terror attacks escalated tensions between India and Pakistan.

However, Asif said that the IPL had recently suggested shifting the hearing back to India.

"Yes the IPL tribunal has suggested we have the hearing in India but my lawyer has still not given them an answer on this," he said.

"Now they are having second thoughts about it, but we still believe that it would be better if the hearing is held in London," he added.

Sources close to the bowler said the IPL tribunal had sent an email in which they pointed towards the growing stability in relations between India and Pakistan and suggested to hold the hearing back in India.

Asif is presently facing suspension from the Pakistan Cricket Board from all forms of the game, including domestic cricket, as he awaits a decision from the IPL drugs tribunal on the doping case.

The paceman had tested positive for a banned substance during the first edition of the Twenty20 league where he played for the Delhi Daredevils side.

His 'B' sample test also came positive in Switzerland but the volume of traces of the banned substance differed in both test results, prompting Asif to challenge the findings through his lawyer Karim.

Karim has said that Asif was innocent and had a strong case as they felt the procedure adopted to collect the samples for was flawed.

Karim has also said that the PCB should not have stopped Asif from playing cricket which was very frustrating for the pacer.

The PCB has kept aloof from the Asif saga and has declined to get involved in it despite the pacer's repeated plea for support and legal help.

The PCB reiterated that it will not lift the suspension until the IPL drugs tribunal, that includes former Indian Test captain Sunil Gavaskar, comes with a verdict which is expected at the next hearing.


http://www.cricketnirvana.com/news/i...90109-172.html


I really don't know why Asif wants this tribunal case...

while the de whole .... jury is gonna be indian'sss

he should already know the out come of itt...

and we can say good bye to our star bowler.

[skhan33]

the Indians could not have handled this matter with less grace or competence. not too dissimilar to the ICL matter. too often in our part of the world the uncontrollable urge for topi drama seems to trump the need for doing what's right, the way it should be done.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Whats with the Indian to-and-fro? Its obvious he is going to be let off because the Indians spiked his sample. Unfortunately for them, like most things involving them, they could not even do that properly - and thus the two samples appear at significantly differing values.

Just get it over with now, twits.

[Hash]

Indians seem to be deliberately faffing around to delay the hearing as much as possible.

[Indiafan]

Its all india's fault that Asif tested positive in the first place. And of course we have to believe everything which comes from the mouth of Mr. 'it was my Hakim who doped me', Asif

[maamrut]

Can't say he doesn't deserve it...probably for the good of world cricket anyway.

[siccric]

The sports ministry should not allow him to go to India.

We cannot let the terrorists win.

[Tupac]

Originally Posted by Indiafan Its all india's fault that Asif tested positive in the first place. And of course we have to believe everything which comes from the mouth of Mr. 'it was my Hakim who doped me', Asif

we don't have an extradition treaty with PAK either!

[skhan33]

to the couple of indians who bothered to respond to this, do you honestly not realize why this is extremely wrong of BCCI? do you really think their conduct should have anything to do with whether or not Asif is guilty? really?

[maamrut]

Originally Posted by Mian Hassan Karim has said that Asif was innocent and had a strong case as they felt the procedure adopted to collect the samples for was flawed.

This part is plain rubbish..can it be a coincidence that this "flawed" sample collecting procedure found a previously known druggie guilty once again?? Really..what are the odds that that this flawed procedure exposed Asif while finding everyone else was tested negative? Nice story Mr.Karim but i'm afraid the outcome of the trial(whenever it happens) is already written on the wall!! But ofcourse Mr.Karim wouldn't accept it...its in his best interest to represent Asif,however futile the gesture.

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by skhan33 to the couple of indians who bothered to respond to this, do you honestly not realize why this is extremely wrong of BCCI? do you really think their conduct should have anything to do with whether or not Asif is guilty? really?

First of all, I wouldnt believe everything which comes from Asif's mouth. He had earlier suggested, soon after being suspended, that ICL had approached him with a huge amount which was refuted by ICL. He is an attention seeker. So as long as i dont see a source which says that BCCI has suggetsed and implemented so and so thing, I wouldnt be too sure

[skhan33]

Originally Posted by Indiafan First of all, I wouldnt believe everything which comes from Asif's mouth. He had earlier suggested, soon after being suspended, that ICL had approached him with a huge amount which was refuted by ICL. He is an attention seeker. So as long as i dont see a source which says that BCCI has suggetsed and implemented so and so thing, I wouldnt be too sure

but all that is pointless. the only issue here is how long its taken the bumbling bcci to hold the hearing. i'll ask again, do you really not realize how absolutely wrong this is?

if i know my law correctly, a case can be dismissed simply for how long it takes to prosecute. there are many, many good reasons for this. i'm a little surprised i have to spell this out. you really dont know all this?

[Gabbar Singh]

a bunch of fools (the bcci) messing around with another fool, mr junky asif - priceless.

[12thMan]

so the good deal of non-refundable tickets they got for London are useless now. Fikkar not says the lawyer. Main hoon na. We go to India now aur karain gay do do hath

[skhan33]

mum be our indian friends.

[minhasuz]

Guys since India is delaying his hearing and IPL has used both of his samples are they going to take a new sample or not? If they are going to take a new sample then it is 100% sure that he will be cleared because the concentration of the specific drug which he took is not there anymore. But please let me know if they will take a new sample or not?

[Dhonian]

Can we seriously get over this stupid issue ? ban him or let him play. God

[pakistanbest]

^^blame the indians

[Dhonian]

Originally Posted by pakistanbest ^^blame the indians

Right. Asif had nothing to do with this, except carrying opium and testing positive during his IPL tenure. Lets blame the Indians for adding the extra spice called opium in his tandoori chicken

[Random Aussie]

This is a farce. BCCI have a lot to learn if they think a 10 month delay with the player indefintely suspended is acceptable process. Longer this takes more likely he will be let off (yet again).

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Dhonian Right. Asif had nothing to do with this, except carrying opium and testing positive during his IPL tenure. Lets blame the Indians for adding the extra spice called opium in his tandoori chicken

Nope let's blame the Indians for not giving him a trial. They keep postponing them, it seems like he will end up serving the entire ban before he even gets the trial to remove the ban.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by skhan33 but all that is pointless. the only issue here is how long its taken the bumbling bcci to hold the hearing. i'll ask again, do you really not realize how absolutely wrong this is? if i know my law correctly, a case can be dismissed simply for how long it takes to prosecute. there are many, many good reasons for this. i'm a little surprised i have to spell this out. you really dont know all this?

It was Asif who wanted extra time for the hearings and the excuse fo r questioning the B sample was at best flimsy.

We had ahuge thred about this few months ago. look it up. the delay for the past two months is thanks to KASAB and co.

As far as the testing positive goes, ASIF is in jail with no parole!

[itduzz]

Asif will be found guilty...2 of the judges are indians

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by minhasuz Guys since India is delaying his hearing and IPL has used both of his samples are they going to take a new sample or not? If they are going to take a new sample then it is 100% sure that he will be cleared because the concentration of the specific drug which he took is not there anymore. But please let me know if they will take a new sample or not?

Why would they take another sample/

both sample A and B came at ~5x the limit. Its up to Asif to explain how a specific metabolite showed in his sample. good luck with that.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie This is a farce. BCCI have a lot to learn if they think a 10 month delay with the player indefintely suspended is acceptable process. Longer this takes more likely he will be let off (yet again).

He had the chance to get this over with long time ago. He is the one who choose delay this till NOV.

Good luck to that dumb dumb beating Science.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by itduzz Asif will be found guilty...2 of the judges are indians

If he is, it would have more to do with the test results of his sample and less to with who the judges are.

[itduzz]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez If he is, it would have more to do with the test results of his sample and less to with who the judges are.

thats wat the judges will say

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by itduzz thats wat the judges will say

So what are they supposed to do? ignore the test results?

Bet you are "Special" as in "special olympics"

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez He had the chance to get this over with long time ago. He is the one who choose delay this till NOV. Good luck to that dumb dumb beating Science.

If IPL wants to be seen as a professional organisation it should have had the hearing straight away, for a start.

Whether or not Asif or IPL are the cause of the delay (I suspect both) it looks amateur to the outsider that someone tested positive in March 2008 and has not even had a hearing yet.

In the meantime he is banned from earning a living. Hard to discern a level of professionalism and good business from this scenario.

[Big Harvey]

What's all this nonsense about a hearing in London anyway? It's like someone testing positive in the County Championship and asking to have their disciplinary hearing in Canada or something. The IPL, no matter what hype it surrounds itself with, is just an Indian domestic tournament. I don't understand why they would even consider the idea that the hearing should be conducted in another country.

[Dhonian]

Originally Posted by Big Harvey What's all this nonsense about a hearing in London anyway? It's like someone testing positive in the County Championship and asking to have their disciplinary hearing in Canada or something. The IPL, no matter what hype it surrounds itself with, is just an Indian domestic tournament. I don't understand why they would even consider the idea that the hearing should be conducted in another country.

Because the innocent Asif and his lawyer wanted the hearing to take place in "neutral" country. I don't know how stupid does Asif think people are. If IPL is approved by ICC, then why cannot ICC step in and take over the hearing procedure ?

[Mythsmoke]

He will end up getting released on technical reasons...
but he should be enjoying this time as a lesson for the future..you reap what you sow
hope the other bowlers in Pakistan with propensity for such stupidity are watching closely

[skhan33]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez It was Asif who wanted extra time for the hearings and the excuse fo r questioning the B sample was at best flimsy. We had ahuge thred about this few months ago. look it up. the delay for the past two months is thanks to KASAB and co. As far as the testing positive goes, ASIF is in jail with no parole!

yes, I read that thread and realize all the details. now you need to take a deep breath and understand something about the legal system. it is, by nature, adversarial. asif's lawyer is supposed to fight against the system. that is his job. that is what he was trained to do. and that is what he gets his money for.

it is the IPL's job to hold this hearing. it is just as important as having the tests. until this hearing is held, Asif is not guilty. but he is being treated as a guilty person, specifically by people like yourself.

asif and his lawyer can make a hundred requests to delay the hearing, for one reason or another. It does not excuse the delay because the final decision to grant their request is the IPL's. go read up those news releases again. it is the IPL who decides what happens, regardless of these requests by a lawyer trying to play the system.

and I can't stress enough, legally, until this hearing is held and a decision made, Asif is not guilty. Its in the best interest of everyone involved the quicker this happens.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie If IPL wants to be seen as a professional organisation it should have had the hearing straight away, for a start. Whether or not Asif or IPL are the cause of the delay (I suspect both) it looks amateur to the outsider that someone tested positive in March 2008 and has not even had a hearing yet. In the meantime he is banned from earning a living. Hard to discern a level of professionalism and good business from this scenario.

Due process RA. Asif's rights are probably written by WADA rules.

this isn't to say that BCCI is a efficient professional run organiztion. but inthe case of ASIF circus, it is his own making with a little contribution from kasab and co.

your line of thinking here matches that of itudzz and thats not a complement.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by skhan33 yes, I read that thread and realize all the details. now you need to take a deep breath and understand something about the legal system. it is, by nature, adversarial. asif's lawyer is supposed to fight against the system. that is his job. that is what he was trained to do. and that is what he gets his money for. it is the IPL's job to hold this hearing. it is just as important as having the tests. until this hearing is held, Asif is not guilty. but he is being treated as a guilty person, specifically by people like yourself. asif and his lawyer can make a hundred requests to delay the hearing, for one reason or another. It does not excuse the delay because the final decision to grant their request is the IPL's. go read up those news releases again. it is the IPL who decides what happens, regardless of these requests by a lawyer trying to play the system. and I can't stress enough, legally, until this hearing is held and a decision made, Asif is not guilty. Its in the best interest of everyone involved the quicker this happens.

BCCI/IPL is in no win situation here, if they force the date, then they will be blamed for rushing the hearing and as conspiracy to get rid of ASIF b4 the Indo-PAK series and how BCCI is scared that Asif will destroy the future of indian cricket.

These are the perils of due process.

Regarding asif being "NOT GUILTY", that boat sailed when both his A and B samples tested positive. Now the burden of proof is on Asif to explain the presence of drugs in his blood stream. this hearing is about his explanation b4 they hand out punishment.

this is sentencing hearing. Trial took place in the labs with sample A & B.

PS: can't believe the amount of support a twice convicted drug cheat gets in this forum. Is this courtesy extended to all? or is this based on nationality, religion or the prosecuting party?

[itduzz]

IPL is run by jokers..of all the players only a Pak player was tested positive ...who knows how many indians were tested positive & were let off by the incompetent IPL officials...

[Dhonian]

Originally Posted by itduzz IPL is run by jokers..of all the players only a Pak player was tested positive ...who knows how many indians were tested positive & were let off by the incompetent IPL officials...

Exactly. When PCB ran a test only Pakistani pacers tested positive....who knows how many Indians were let off by the incompetent PCB officials...

oh wait

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by itduzz IPL is run by jokers..of all the players only a Pak player was tested positive ...who knows how many indians were tested positive & were let off by the incompetent IPL officials...

Hey, you are beginning to sound like Random aussie!

[skhan33]

you are either unbelievably naive, or unbelievably dishonest. based on your nationality, I wouldnt be surprised with either.

Originally Posted by cricketrulez BCCI/IPL is in no win situation here, if they force the date, then they will be blamed for rushing the hearing and as conspiracy to get rid of ASIF b4 the Indo-PAK series and how BCCI is scared that Asif will destroy the future of indian cricket. These are the perils of due process.

ok, lets try to follow your "logic" here. this is what you just said, "since BCCI will be criticized by some idiots for holding the hearing too soon, they should not be blamed for holding it too late"? Its not just the BCCI that doesnt like to do things the right way, the disease seems to run a bit deeper.

As a professional body, it is the BCCI's responsibility to do what is right, regardless of what fans will criticize it for, and regardless of what strings Asif's lawyer might be trying to pull. Is this so hard to understand? perhaps you should think a bit more before posting a response.

Originally Posted by cricketrulez Regarding asif being "NOT GUILTY", that boat sailed when both his A and B samples tested positive. Not the burden of proof is on Asif to explain the presence of drugs in his blood stream. this hearing is about his explanation b4 they hand out punishment. this is sentencing hearing. Trial took place in the labs with sample A & B.

Nobody said Asif is "NOT GUILTY" einstein. What I'm saying is, he cannot be held accountable till this hearing is held. The test was NOT a trial. I can give you a list of 10 athletes off the top of my head that tested positive and were later exonerated at a similar hearing.

Now I know what you'll say, Asif is a repeat offender. And yes, that is correct. The likelihood of him being guilty is as close to 100% as you can get. But due process dictates, that he is neither "guilty" nor "not guilty" till this hearing takes place. Which, make no mistake, is the trial and sentencing wrapped into one.

Originally Posted by cricketrulez PS: can't believe the amount of support a twice convicted drug cheat gets in this forum. Is this courtesy extended to all? or is this based on nationality, religion or the prosecuting party?

Firstly, he was not convicted twice, in fact he wasnt even convicted once. Stop talking out of your backside.

Secondly, nobody is defending him. He deserves the harshest punishment for what he's done. If youve been reading this board with any consistency, you'll see that most people here have already sentenced him and dont want to see him back any time soon.

If I was truly trying to support Asif, I'd be ecstatic. The more this hearing is delayed, the more reason Asif's lawyer has to argue unfair process.

I'll say it again beta, think a little before you come in here throwing around all kind of gibberish. Youre making itduzz sound like a harvard lawyer (no offense itduzz).

[Ghoshtbuster]

class post (#39) skhan33. What an indian does not realise is that formal procedures are set inplace, in the event that an athlete tests positive - but without having taken an illegal substance. It can happen, it can be made to happen, and that is why the regulations are there. Unfortunately, they are simple people, and fall easily for this adaptation of the "boy cries wolf" story.

[Dhonian]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster class post (#39) skhan33. What an indian does not realise is that formal procedures are set inplace, in the event that an athlete tests positive - but without having taken an illegal substance. It can happen, it can be made to happen, and that is why the regulations are there. Unfortunately, they are simple people, and fall easily for this adaptation of the "boy cries wolf" story.

Yep. PCB altered Asif's case during his first "mistake" and IPL authorities altered Asif's case during his second "mistake". Pakistani players are saint, but for some reason authorities are out there to malign them. And only you sane fans are able to see it.

[skhan33]

oh great, another wannabe lawyer and his street talk. there seem to be 1 billion too many of those walking around next door.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Originally Posted by Dhonian Yep. PCB altered Asif's case during his first "mistake" and IPL authorities altered Asif's case during his second "mistake". Pakistani players are saint, but for some reason authorities are out there to malign them. And only you sane fans are able to see it.

Hi. I am here to help you, dont worry. Just relax little indian.

Asif was found guilty (should have been punished), and has also been caught red-handed with some form of drug-substance. There is no "Indian-Patent" denial regarding those issues.

However, there is every possibility (the way your society works), that some IPL official had the idea to develop results for the test which Asif gave - knowing fully well of his past, and how many of the public would believe it easily. This is how it becomes an adaptation of that childrens story. The reality is, the two samples resulted with differing values, and the IPL tribunal have ever since been weary and putting off the verdict. Almost as if there is something to hide. But of course, there is a chance that he is indeed guilty - but he is not the one running away.

[Dhonian]

Originally Posted by skhan33 oh great, another wannabe lawyer and his street talk. there seem to be 1 billion too many of those walking around next door.

Oh right, after all you are the judge of all the happenings in this world.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez Due process RA. Asif's rights are probably written by WADA rules. this isn't to say that BCCI is a efficient professional run organiztion. but inthe case of ASIF circus, it is his own making with a little contribution from kasab and co. your line of thinking here matches that of itudzz and thats not a complement.

And if it has been Andrew Symonds or Graeme Smith who tested positive? You think even if they were trying to delay the hearing (which as pointed out IPL decides whether the grant the delay) that 10 months since the IPL they would have been suspended from cricket without a hearing?

Please.

Having said that I don't doubt he is guilty. It is not the individual case but the perception it brings.

[IronMan2009]

I think first Asif's lawyer then Asif himself wanted to defer it. So it has been cat and mouse between IPL and Asif. Either way he didn't miss many opportunities to represent Pakistan.


http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ry/366573.html

[IronMan2009]

Sometime back PCB said they concluded their seperate investigation.

[Big Daddy]

I dont know how anyone in their right mind can defend asif. More bad will come from defending him then good. This guy had his chances, be it how good he is, the guilt remains unbiased. not many get second chances, he did and he blew it. the mark of justice has to prevail. i hope india slaughters him so in the future we dont have any such instances.

[Matic]

They're going to eat him alive in India..

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie And if it has been Andrew Symonds or Graeme Smith who tested positive? You think even if they were trying to delay the hearing (which as pointed out IPL decides whether the grant the delay) that 10 months since the IPL they would have been suspended from cricket without a hearing? Please. Having said that I don't doubt he is guilty. It is not the individual case but the perception it brings.

Looks like your math skills aren't up to par. He was tested positive in July. Its Jan now. How is that 10 months?

I don't get your point here. what exactly are you accusing BCCI by bringing in symonds and smith? Anti pakistani bias? Off late you have been twisted enough, you'd argued the other way if the delays haven't been granted.

The delay after the 26/11 was unavoidable.

Asif is the one who had requested every previous delay. Look it up.

If it had been symonds or Smih, CA or CSA would have done their homework and informed the players clearly what their options are and would have advised to get it over with.

This numb nut got busted and is under the impression he can delay and venue shop his way to get out of it like he did with the last time he tested positive. This time he asked for and was granted as much rope as he wanted. the panel will hang him with it. He wlil have absolutely no excuse about the process. He was accommodated in every way he requested.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by skhan33 you are either unbelievably naive, or unbelievably dishonest. based on your nationality, I wouldnt be surprised with either. So says a guy from pak. i'm heart broken. NOT! ok, lets try to follow your "logic" here. this is what you just said, "since BCCI will be criticized by some idiots for holding the hearing too soon, they should not be blamed for holding it too late"? Its not just the BCCI that doesnt like to do things the right way, the disease seems to run a bit deeper. As a professional body, it is the BCCI's responsibility to do what is right, regardless of what fans will criticize it for, and regardless of what strings Asif's lawyer might be trying to pull. Is this so hard to understand? perhaps you should think a bit more before posting a response. So BCCI should have ignored the other idiots to accomodate idiots like you. How do you know BCCI is not doing the right thing and acting well within the rules and regulations set up regarding positive drug test protocols? I haven't heard any noise from PCB or WADA or any official body. Just a bunch whining in forum. BCCI is giving ASIF enough rope to hang himself with. Nobody said Asif is "NOT GUILTY" einstein. What I'm saying is, he cannot be held accountable till this hearing is held. The test was NOT a trial. I can give you a list of 10 athletes off the top of my head that tested positive and were later exonerated at a similar hearing. Really hot shot? list the athletes who walked away scott free having tested postive for anabolic steroids with no major discrepancy in the test like a 2X difference between sample A & B or tool close to the limit. FTR, in this hearing the burden is all on ASIF and in a trial the onus is on the accuser not on the accused as is the case here. Now I know what you'll say, Asif is a repeat offender. And yes, that is correct. The likelihood of him being guilty is as close to 100% as you can get. But due process dictates, that he is neither "guilty" nor "not guilty" till this hearing takes place. Which, make no mistake, is the trial and sentencing wrapped into one. Give BCCI/IPL the same due. No official body has complained about this delay to date. They did complain abot releasing his name beore sample B was tested and it was immediate. If this delay is outside th norms of WADA, BCCI/IPl would have heard about it by now. Firstly, he was not convicted twice, in fact he wasnt even convicted once. Stop talking out of your backside. Secondly, nobody is defending him. He deserves the harshest punishment for what he's done. If youve been reading this board with any consistency, you'll see that most people here have already sentenced him and dont want to see him back any time soon. If I was truly trying to support Asif, I'd be ecstatic. The more this hearing is delayed, the more reason Asif's lawyer has to argue unfair process. Not very well versed in these proceedings are you numbnut? Use that peabrain of yours and tell me what exactly would be grounds for an unfair process claim? That BCCI granted everything him and his lawyer asked for? May be its a good thing you are not his lawyer, becos you would've gotten laughed out of court when it can be shown that you are the party which requested this delay I'll say it again beta, think a little before you come in here throwing around all kind of gibberish. Youre making itduzz sound like a harvard lawyer (no offense itduzz) I'm spouting Gibberish by pointing out due process requires accomodation of the accused party by the judging party? MAdrasa education working out quite well for you isn't it? keep it up

I'm all for bashing BCCI regarding ICL players ban in international cricket, mkaing fun of YUVI and spin bowling. Tendulkar folding like cheap suit during clutch time (until recently).

Just not in this matter and not for these reasons.

And no I'm not your beta.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster However, there is every possibility (the way your society works), that some IPL official had the idea to develop results for the test which Asif gave - knowing fully well of his past, and how many of the public would believe it easily. This is how it becomes an adaptation of that childrens story. The reality is, the two samples resulted with differing values, and the IPL tribunal have ever since been weary and putting off the verdict. Almost as if there is something to hide. But of course, there is a chance that he is indeed guilty - but he is not the one running away.

Talk about delusion and ignorance!

So, BCCI found a way to isolate and hold on to the metabolite that is being tested for, making sure that it didn't decompose and spiked Asif sample A and B in just the correct amounts? The same BCCI/IPl/Indians who according to you others are incompetent? Quite a comedian you are!

Regarding the different values, we went over this in great detail. Not sure where you are located. If in the UK or US you can actually talk to the testing labs regarding this.

IPl has been running away from this hearing? talk about revisionist history!

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez Looks like your math skills aren't up to par. He was tested positive in July. Its Jan now. How is that 10 months? I don't get your point here. what exactly are you accusing BCCI by bringing in symonds and smith? Anti pakistani bias? Off late you have been twisted enough, you'd argued the other way if the delays haven't been granted.

Dehli finished their IPL campaign on 30 May 2008 with a loss to Rajasthan in the semi finals. How did Asif managed to test positive in July, some 2 months later?

Please enlighten me with your wisdom.

What I am saying is that it looks unprofessional on BCCI's behalf to have not resolved the fate of someone such a long time down the track. That person has been prevented from earning an income in his chosen profession. Regardless of the credibility of the person concerned which I agree is about zero.

Because even if the delays were requested by Asif it still reflects poorly on the IPL that this is still unresolved so long after it happened.

[kingusama92]

His ban time should be counted from his last IPL game, because that's the game he last played during this saga. Like Random Aussie stated that game was played on May 30, 2008. Which means he has been out of international cricket or any form of cricket for 8 months and a bit.

[IronMan2009]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie How did Asif managed to test positive in July, some 2 months later? .

He is correct it was announced only on July 14th after comparing with switzerland laboratory. Asif was already involved in dubai scandal when this was announced.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/stat...ry/361033.html

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by IronMan2009 He is correct it was announced only on July 14th after comparing with switzerland laboratory. Asif was already involved in dubai scandal when this was announced. http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/stat...ry/361033.html

yup but I am sure the if he's found guilty the lawyer will state that Asif hasn't played cricket since May 30th, 2008 therefore the ban time should be counted from that date and not July 14th.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 yup but I am sure the if he's found guilty the lawyer will state that Asif hasn't played cricket since May 30th, 2008 therefore the ban time should be counted from that date and not July 14th.

Ban time will be counted from the time of the positive test. So that is another thing, IPL take 2 months to confirm a positive test?

Again looks unprofessional. Sorry if you don't like that Cricketrulez but itduzz.

[IronMan2009]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 yup but I am sure the if he's found guilty the lawyer will state that Asif hasn't played cricket since May 30th, 2008 therefore the ban time should be counted from that date and not July 14th.

I don't know who will have the final authority in issuing the penalty. ICC or PCB. PCB has already finished their own investigation. I presume he might have suspended penalty from PCB.

Anyway you look at it he will not have missed too much of international cricket. If found guily he should have atleast 2 years of suspension owing to repeatability of the offense. But i won't be surprised if he gets away.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Ban time will be counted from the time of the positive test. So that is another thing, IPL take 2 months to confirm a positive test? Again looks unprofessional. Sorry if you don't like that Cricketrulez but itduzz.

yup you have a point. There are so many discrepancies that Asif's lawyer can pick at that it's not even funny. Unless the tribunal is completely biased Asif will be let off or given a quite minimal sentence compared to the floating rumour of 2 years.

[IronMan2009]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Ban time will be counted from the time of the positive test. So that is another thing, IPL take 2 months to confirm a positive test? Again looks unprofessional. Sorry if you don't like that Cricketrulez but itduzz.

I think it will take a while since you take samples across 6 teams each having 14 members and send it to Switzerland. How many days you think they should take before announcing the result? Keep in mind there are multiple teams. Not just one team.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by IronMan2009 I think it will take a while since you take samples across 6 teams each having 14 members and send it to Switzerland. How many days you think they should take before announcing the result? Keep in mind there are multiple teams. Not just one team.

Did they drug test every player?

[IronMan2009]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Did they drug test every player?

We would never know would we?

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Ban time will be counted from the time of the positive test. So that is another thing, IPL take 2 months to confirm a positive test? Again looks unprofessional. Sorry if you don't like that Cricketrulez but itduzz.

Look up Tyler hamilton. He won the silver medal in cycling in 2004 olympics and it took almost month for him to get caught.

the protocol is that samples get frozen and wait their que to be tested. The urgency of the testing depends on

a) the seriousness of the event and how prevalent the issue is in that sport.

b) how much the testing party is willing to pay the lab doing the test.

Urgent testing in a tests like this can cost up to 5X the standard rate (which is not exactly cheap, its about $500 a sample)

They bust people in cycling within a couple of days becos in that sport it is huge problem. In spite of that it took about a month to catch Tyler.

Samples from prestigious events like 100m sprints get tested right away. (ben johnson). BTW he was stripeed of the medal immediately b4 any hearings.

Sport like cricket? Drug use hasn't been a big topic in cricket until recently.

The 2 months between the sample being taken and announcement of results is well within normal limits unless you are willing to pay a premium price.

Regarding the delay from july till now, his sample B test was announced on Aug 19th.

So it has been about ~ 5 months after a confirmed positive with most of the request for delay coming from Asif. rest is thanks to Kasab and co.

Given that it is Asif's second positive test and could potentially get banned for life, don't you think he should be given a little extra rope?

If that makes BCCI look unprofessional in your eyes, so be it. I doubt they give a crap.

[JustAnotherFan]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez Given that it is Asif's second positive test and could potentially get banned for life, don't you think he should be given a little extra rope?

Hmmm ... to hang himself? Yip, I agree ...

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 yup you have a point. There are so many discrepancies that Asif's lawyer can pick at that it's not even funny. Unless the tribunal is completely biased Asif will be let off or given a quite minimal sentence compared to the floating rumour of 2 years.

sorry Kingman,

most of the discrepancy that is pointed out is vaporware. I'm employed in manufacturing the testing equipment and protocols to use those equipment. Testing wise he is in a box with no way out.

his options are

1) test is faulty : no chance there, swiss labs are damn good at this. The chemistry world dreams of having swiss trained techie for their labs. ******** make the Krauts look like slobs.

2) offer natural remedy explanation : Hakim explanation. We all know how far that will go

3) challenge chain of custody of the sample: the onus will be on him to establish when the sample was improperly handled.

3a) in case of accidental improper handling, he has to explain how that led to him having a very specific metabolite in his sample.

3b)on purpose spiking of his sample: he has better chance of making a movie with this script than using this excuse in court.

If all else fails, he can always blame the mal-intent of the indians as one of the earlier posters did. It will buy him symapthy in Pakland, doubt that it will help with the panel decision.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez If that makes BCCI look unprofessional in your eyes, so be it. I doubt they give a crap.

UNfortunately the BCCI doesn't give a crap, but then again when does the BCCI share anything including their feces?

Plus I don't need to ask the BCCI to give me crap. I have the PCB that does it for free.

[cricketrulez]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/****...ry/386097.html

Mohammad Asif has been barred from entering the UAE after being deported from Dubai last year for possession of an opium substance weighing 0.24 grams, according to documents available with Cricinfo.

PCB officials of the time had revealed the nature of the substance, but court and police documents now finally confirm the details. Asif was caught with the substance in his wallet at Dubai airport on June 1, 2008 when travelling back to Pakistan after competing in the Indian Premier League. He was detained for 19 days before being released.

The documents also shed light on the conclusion of the case, revealing that the public prosecutor advocated not filing criminal charges based on several factors: "that the accused was arrested at Dubai airport before being able to actually enter the state, the trifle amount of the drug, the serious consequence of putting him on trial and enforcing a judgment against him, and for the sake of avoiding pressures on courts and prisons."

Asif's urine sample taken at the airport was negative, however, putting to rest much speculation that Asif was intoxicated at the airport. But during an interrogation with two investigators, Asif said he did not know of the nature of the substance, thinking it to be a herbal remedy and said he used it to boost his blood pressure and energy levels.

"I started using it once every year, one small piece each time when necessary," the interview records Asif as saying.

Asked if he knew what the substance was, Asif replied: "A herbal dark substance found with me which I use for energy ... to reduce blood pressure and gain energy. I have obtained it from one of the public curers in Pakistan."



Asif acknowledged that he last used the substance in Pakistan four months before the case. The sample was tested in a laboratory in Dubai and it was confirmed that the substance Asif carried in his wallet was 0.24 grams of opium.

"I did not intend to bring it to the country and I don't know whether it is a narcotic drug or otherwise and I don't know whether it is prohibited in the UAE or not," Asif told the investigators.

Though Asif is currently suspended from all cricket by the PCB - he is facing a separate inquiry for a positive steroid test at the IPL - there are repercussions for his future appearances for Pakistan in the prosecutor's order against him.

The attorney general deported Asif and had his name put on a list of prohibited names who cannot enter the UAE. "The concerned authorities in the CID should be notified to take all the necessary actions to deport the accused from the state and include his name in the list of persons prohibited from entering the state once again," the order reads.

Given that many international teams have refused to tour Pakistan in recent years because of the instability in the country and the fact that the UAE is a very viable and feasible neutral option - one that has been used - the order effectively means Asif will not be able to play for Pakistan there.

Though the PCB says they do not have the relevant documents of the case, the feeling within the board is that this case at least will not be pursued actively internally. Officials believe that if the IPL inquiry finds Asif guilty and bans him from cricket, that may be punishment enough. That case is currently awaiting another hearing, due to be held on January 24 in London, but which has now been shifted back to India.

In 2006, Asif and Shoaib Akhtar were pulled out of the Champions Trophy in India after both tested positive for nandrolone during internal PCB testing.

© Cricinfo

[Mythsmoke]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/****...ry/386097.html "I started using it once every year, one small piece each time when necessary," the interview records Asif as saying. Asked if he knew what the substance was, Asif replied: "A herbal dark substance found with me which I use for energy ... to reduce blood pressure and gain energy. I have obtained it from one of the public curers in Pakistan."[/B]

Well he's not helping his fans is he?

[Viv_rav]

I dont know whats gonna happen with this drug thing, but the PCB should hand out a lifetime ban on him for his stupidity.

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by Viv_rav I dont know whats gonna happen with this drug thing, but the PCB should hand out a lifetime ban on him for his stupidity.

He has been baned from UAE (Sharjah also I guess) for life which means he can't play neutral venue "home" tours!

[Mythsmoke]

Asif confessed to using opium for energy boost, says report



Monday, January 12, 2009
From Abdul Mohi Shah

ISLAMABAD: The mystery over cricketer Mohammad Asif’s confinement in Dubai and his eventual release last summer has finally been resolved following revelations that authorities there almost initiated criminal proceedings but decided not to at the last moment fearing “extra pressure” on the trial courts.

‘The News’ has obtained exclusive copies of all investigations conducted during the player’s over two-week ordeal in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The reports show that Asif accepted using opium to enhance his energy.

Following confirmation that he was in possession of banned drugs when caught at the Dubai Airport, the bowler’s name was placed on the list of persons barred from entering the UAE again.

In the release order, the Dubai Police General admitted that considering the fear of extra pressure on the trial courts, it had been decided not to go ahead with the criminal proceedings by passing an order that there was no ground of criminal charge against the accused.

The release order states that the felony of procuring and possessing drugs as evident from the above facts was established and was sufficient for putting the accused to criminal trials to face the prescribed penalty.

It points out that this was based on the admission during the Public Prosecution investigation that he had brought the relevant drug, the customs inspector statement and the criminal laboratory findings that the material was a 0.24 gm of opium which was included in the schedule 1 of the law No 14 of 1995 regarding drugs as amended by the Federal Law No I of 2005.

The order goes on to say that in view of the fact and circumstances of the case that the accused was arrested at Dubai Airport before being able to actually enter the state, the trifle amount of the drug, the serious consequences of putting him for trials and enforcing a judgment against him, and for the sake of avoiding pressure on the courts and prisons, the Public Prosecution is of the opinion that it is appropriate to stop the proceedings at this stage by passing an order that there is no ground for criminal charge against the accused.

Asif’s release was made possible by one of the former Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials who used his personal connection to good affects.

The cricketer, however, had messed up his case himself after falsely declaring in a statement that he slapped an airport inspector - which, in fact, turned out to be the reason for his long detention.

During a question-answer session with Shakir Hashim Al Darmakl, the Senior Public Prosecutor in Dubai, and Issa Mohammed Yousuf, the Investigation Clerk at Dubai Airport, Asif made some startling revelations. He admitted using the “dark herbal substance found on him as a source of energy.” The bowler disclosed that he had started using it once every year and then had one small piece each time it was required.

Asif has been in the news for all the misadventures he committed over the last two years. He tested positive for a banned substance nandroline days ahead of the Champions Trophy in India last year.

The PCB had to spend millions to get the bowler, along with Shoaib Akhtar, cleared by the World Anti Doping Authority (WADA) on technical grounds.

Asif was caught again for using the same drug during the Indian Premier League (IPL) in India a few months ago.

Contrary to Asif’s confession during confinement in Dubai last summer that he used opium, he insisted all along in later interviews that he had never taken the ‘black herbal substance’ found in his wallet.

He openly admitted during questioning by the Dubai Airport authorities that he had been using this particular herbal substance for almost a year now. (See questions and answers).

Asif was however surprised to learn that ‘The News’ was in possession of all the details of his questioning by the airport authorities. “Who has given you this report? How did you get hold of the report,” he asked and said that he would give his reaction only after the report was published.

He later claimed he did not say he had consumed the ‘black herbal substance’. However, he stressed that I had to read the report to him first, which I did. When he listened to the part of question and answer session (between the Dubai Airport Authorities investigator and the bowler), his tone changed and he said: “what do you want?”

When he was told in clear words that the phone call is meant to know his reaction on the report, he answered he had no comments.

When he was told that the publishing of the report is not meant to destroy his (Asif’s) career but to show the world what actually had happened to him during the 15-day ordeal, his reply was: “It would definitely spoil my career.”

The PCB has been trying to hide facts of the report submitted by the Dubai authorities. No official has admitted that the report mentions that Asif’s was a fit case to initiate criminal proceedings and that he escaped the trials using connections of the then PCB set-up.

When PCB’s Chief Operating Officer Saleem Altaf was approached for comments, he said that he had no knowledge about it.

However, he failed to explain why no efforts had been made to get the details of the report and if it was with the previous officials, why were they not asked to submit it.

Mohammad Asif is currently undergoing temporary suspension from all forms of cricket after testing positive for the banned substance Nandroline at the end of the IPL. He was the only player to fail a drug test from about 100 cricketers who were tested. He faces a two-year ban from all forms of cricket, though it will be after this hearing that a final penalty is likely to be announced.

form the news website

[asifp]

Originally Posted by Mythsmoke Asif confessed to using opium for energy boost, says report Monday, January 12, 2009 From Abdul Mohi Shah ISLAMABAD: The mystery over cricketer Mohammad Asif’s confinement in Dubai and his eventual release last summer has finally been resolved following revelations that authorities there almost initiated criminal proceedings but decided not to at the last moment fearing “extra pressure” on the trial courts. ‘The News’ has obtained exclusive copies of all investigations conducted during the player’s over two-week ordeal in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The reports show that Asif accepted using opium to enhance his energy. Following confirmation that he was in possession of banned drugs when caught at the Dubai Airport, the bowler’s name was placed on the list of persons barred from entering the UAE again. In the release order, the Dubai Police General admitted that considering the fear of extra pressure on the trial courts, it had been decided not to go ahead with the criminal proceedings by passing an order that there was no ground of criminal charge against the accused. The release order states that the felony of procuring and possessing drugs as evident from the above facts was established and was sufficient for putting the accused to criminal trials to face the prescribed penalty. It points out that this was based on the admission during the Public Prosecution investigation that he had brought the relevant drug, the customs inspector statement and the criminal laboratory findings that the material was a 0.24 gm of opium which was included in the schedule 1 of the law No 14 of 1995 regarding drugs as amended by the Federal Law No I of 2005. The order goes on to say that in view of the fact and circumstances of the case that the accused was arrested at Dubai Airport before being able to actually enter the state, the trifle amount of the drug, the serious consequences of putting him for trials and enforcing a judgment against him, and for the sake of avoiding pressure on the courts and prisons, the Public Prosecution is of the opinion that it is appropriate to stop the proceedings at this stage by passing an order that there is no ground for criminal charge against the accused. Asif’s release was made possible by one of the former Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials who used his personal connection to good affects. The cricketer, however, had messed up his case himself after falsely declaring in a statement that he slapped an airport inspector - which, in fact, turned out to be the reason for his long detention. During a question-answer session with Shakir Hashim Al Darmakl, the Senior Public Prosecutor in Dubai, and Issa Mohammed Yousuf, the Investigation Clerk at Dubai Airport, Asif made some startling revelations. He admitted using the “dark herbal substance found on him as a source of energy.” The bowler disclosed that he had started using it once every year and then had one small piece each time it was required. Asif has been in the news for all the misadventures he committed over the last two years. He tested positive for a banned substance nandroline days ahead of the Champions Trophy in India last year. The PCB had to spend millions to get the bowler, along with Shoaib Akhtar, cleared by the World Anti Doping Authority (WADA) on technical grounds. Asif was caught again for using the same drug during the Indian Premier League (IPL) in India a few months ago. Contrary to Asif’s confession during confinement in Dubai last summer that he used opium, he insisted all along in later interviews that he had never taken the ‘black herbal substance’ found in his wallet. He openly admitted during questioning by the Dubai Airport authorities that he had been using this particular herbal substance for almost a year now. (See questions and answers). Asif was however surprised to learn that ‘The News’ was in possession of all the details of his questioning by the airport authorities. “Who has given you this report? How did you get hold of the report,” he asked and said that he would give his reaction only after the report was published. He later claimed he did not say he had consumed the ‘black herbal substance’. However, he stressed that I had to read the report to him first, which I did. When he listened to the part of question and answer session (between the Dubai Airport Authorities investigator and the bowler), his tone changed and he said: “what do you want?” When he was told in clear words that the phone call is meant to know his reaction on the report, he answered he had no comments. When he was told that the publishing of the report is not meant to destroy his (Asif’s) career but to show the world what actually had happened to him during the 15-day ordeal, his reply was: “It would definitely spoil my career.” The PCB has been trying to hide facts of the report submitted by the Dubai authorities. No official has admitted that the report mentions that Asif’s was a fit case to initiate criminal proceedings and that he escaped the trials using connections of the then PCB set-up. When PCB’s Chief Operating Officer Saleem Altaf was approached for comments, he said that he had no knowledge about it. However, he failed to explain why no efforts had been made to get the details of the report and if it was with the previous officials, why were they not asked to submit it. Mohammad Asif is currently undergoing temporary suspension from all forms of cricket after testing positive for the banned substance Nandroline at the end of the IPL. He was the only player to fail a drug test from about 100 cricketers who were tested. He faces a two-year ban from all forms of cricket, though it will be after this hearing that a final penalty is likely to be announced. form the news website

and what does The News gain out of this?

Trust the Pakistani press to screw up its own all the time.

I am not saying Asif should be let go free. I think the PCB should ban him for a year or two, but no reason for The News to put both PCB and Asif in a tough situation.

[pixaar]

Maybe they have a commitment to the absolute truth

[asifp]

Originally Posted by pixaar Maybe they have a commitment to the absolute truth

I highly doubt that. There is a reason sometimes the press is not allowed at trials and hearings, cause they screw up things big time.

Like I said, Asif should be punished, banned if found guilty but The News has helped no one by publishing this report.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by asifp I highly doubt that. There is a reason sometimes the press is not allowed at trials and hearings, cause they screw up things big time. Like I said, Asif should be punished, banned if found guilty but The News has helped no one by publishing this report.

No it is good journalism, unless every word is a lie. Free press, free society.

[Ghoshtbuster]

What a doofus.

He made up that he slapped someone? huh? The PCB, or at least someone close to Asif, should have realised that he was going to walk into trouble sooner rather than later due to his background. Its quite funny though.

[Gabbar Singh]

i blame the bbci

[cricketrulez]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez Look up Tyler hamilton. He won the silver medal in cycling in 2004 olympics and it took almost month for him to get caught. They bust people in cycling within a couple of days becos in that sport it is huge problem. In spite of that it took about a month to catch Tyler.

Here are the time lines on Tyler.

the positive test was announces on 20th Sept 2004

The olympics ended 29th Aug 2004 andthe Event tyler won was on the 19th.

~4 weeks after the event ended and when he wasted tested positive .

this was a simple case of blood doping!

BTW, I was wrong about the silver. It was Gold.

[McBoom]

Originally Posted by cricketrulez Here are the time lines on Tyler. the positive test was announces on 20th Sept 2004 The olympics ended 29th Aug 2004 andthe Event tyler won was on the 19th. ~4 weeks after the event ended and when he wasted tested positive . this was a simple case of blood doping! BTW, I was wrong about the silver. It was Gold.

Comparison is not possible.

Olympics has thousands of athletes, IPL had a couple of hundred at most and I am not aware that even each and everyone was tested or not. So to justify the time line with that of IPL is not fair.

[Harambe]

Originally Posted by Ghoshtbuster Hi. I am here to help you, dont worry. Just relax little indian. Asif was found guilty (should have been punished), and has also been caught red-handed with some form of drug-substance. There is no "Indian-Patent" denial regarding those issues. However, there is every possibility (the way your society works), that some IPL official had the idea to develop results for the test which Asif gave - knowing fully well of his past, and how many of the public would believe it easily. This is how it becomes an adaptation of that childrens story. The reality is, the two samples resulted with differing values, and the IPL tribunal have ever since been weary and putting off the verdict. Almost as if there is something to hide. But of course, there is a chance that he is indeed guilty - but he is not the one running away.

If this society is so bad where they spike everybodys urine, feed them opium and hash and everybody in your NICE society know that -- why is that 30 of those people from that NICE society jump in the first flight available licking their lips and saliva dripping through their mouths come over some of them risking their careers, lives, wives and homes and play here in IPL, ICL and heck even garbage cricket if that threw a couple of dollars?

Can you ask those 30 players and give some answers