Ad-hocism Zindabad!

[MIG]

The hate for Malik was palpable at PP - but thats fine - we are whats described as a bunch of volatile (and semi stable) fans.

When whole institutions act in a unpredictable behaviour, its a different ball game!

Look at the chain of events leading to Maliks dismissal:

1. Appointed captain forever (mostly)
2. Win against SL in 1st ODI and life is Good
3. Loss against SL in 2nd ODI and the whispers begin
4. Loss against SL (75 AO Debacle) - statement from PCB about confidence in his abilities
5. YK becomes captain

I know that he wasnt a great captain but can someone pls explain the actual reason for his replacement? a 2-1 ODI loss against SL which happens to be in the Middle of the series - after Pakistan playing competitive cricket in many months? And what if we didnt have this break in the series? would PCB still have acted in the name of good governance?

Defies belief and imagination !! If work on the principle that ends justify means then no institution in this world would work.

If there was a correct way to do this, it should have been for the whole PCB management to resign!

Pakistani cricket can never move forward when knee jerk reactions from PCB are the means for progress. Sad.

[salman24]

Yeah it was premature but I think this wasn't based on that loss alone but the loss combined with his man management skills i.e. relations and tensions with other players

[MIG]

But there is a method to any madness.

What does this say about the management? Malik was fine until beginning of this ODI Series but 2 matches later he was that bad?

[salman24]

Yeah I guess. ALthough I support the decision because if he had stayed his preferences with regards to players would've ruined the team i.e. keeping all seniors out and dropping Fawad Alam etc. I agree that the PCB was wrong in extending his contract and then not letting him complete his term. The decision was ethically incorrect but will serve PAk well. I think the new revelations of him not speaking to players etc may have put the final nail in the coffin and the administrators were forced to make this unorthodox/unusual move.

[Genghis]

Spot on ... Malik's lack of leadership skills were there for all to see and witness the last couple of years, its not something that just became aparent now. This is a change which should have been made a long time ago. A big loss is not a reason to sack Malik, because he was not the only one reponsible for the poor showing.

Although its disapointing how its come about, I still think its best for Pak cricket. Just hope the same doesn't happen with YK after our next big loss.

[MIG]

As you say, the precedent has been set. Watch for all and sundry demanding sacking of captains/managers after every dropped catch or low score !

[DB9Vanquish]

I disagree.
They sacked malik for a string of bad, at best indifferent, performances as a team leader against proper opposition.
Theres no way the PCB would have publicly stated that maliks position is vulnerable(even though it was), because even they are not stupid enough to not provide public backing to the country's captain.

[Muzy]

mig bhai's point of view is correct - why have a system and not follow it if you're going to make your own rules then

and this isn't the first thats happened like this and you are right it just gets worse and worse, PCB LIKE to humuiliate them

no matter what right/wrongs were done doesnt an employee deserve to have the right to equality and to be treated fairly?? afterall these are OUR ambassadors what message are we sending out then

[MIG]

I suppose the message is simple - win or die!

The same rule must apply to PCB management.

Have a feeling that in some corner of a Military cantonment, a General is thinking on the same lines about the current Govt.

As the title of my thread says, Ad-hocism Zindabad

[Mythsmoke]

There are two threads of criticism to maliks reign: (1) listless on the field (2) did not get along with senior players.
In post malik captaincy....point 2 will be taken care with the two offending seniors being thrown out and point 1 he can learn watching yk at close quarters

In relation to the thread....although I think abdul qadir has lost his remaining marbles, he made an interesting point on shoaib malik dismissal - what will the PCB do if YK fails?
Its a knee-jerk reaction of a board that does not have many options to chose....they should have been more judicious

[Savak]

This is Pakistan Cricket. This is how things work here. But bottomline as a captain dont expect favors from the PCB. Deliver and prove yourself.

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by MIG But there is a method to any madness. What does this say about the management? Malik was fine until beginning of this ODI Series but 2 matches later he was that bad?

Malik as captain was not fine for long time. Winning against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe doesn't make him fine captain. He was lost boy in the field and yet to play a series outside asia against top opposition. I know players need to perform but as captain his decision we very amateur(how many games Gul never bowled his full overs?).

[Saj]

MIG, I think player power is still alive and kicking in Pakistan cricket and has never really gone away.

I get the feelling that Malik didnt really have much support from the senior players and those senior players are the ones that had been struggling of late and plotting behind his back.

What Malik should have done was to show the watching world that he was an astute leader and inspire his team. Sadly though, he never really inspired anyone and most thought he was out of his depth as skipper.

The strangest thing for me is that he was removed almost days after getting a 2 year extension as skipper.

[McBoom]

Originally Posted by Saj The strangest thing for me is that he was removed almost days after getting a 2 year extension as skipper.

It was an 'indefinite' extension.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Saj MIG, I think player power is still alive and kicking in Pakistan cricket and has never really gone away. I get the feelling that Malik didnt really have much support from the senior players and those senior players are the ones that had been struggling of late and plotting behind his back. What Malik should have done was to show the watching world that he was an astute leader and inspire his team. Sadly though, he never really inspired anyone and most thought he was out of his depth as skipper. The strangest thing for me is that he was removed almost days after getting a 2 year extension as skipper.

Saj - the point is that his weaknesses were all to see for a while - why confirm him(as you suggest) and then chuck him so unceremoniously.

We need to get out of this malaise. We need decisions made at the top level to have some weight - we want the decision makers to think and evaluate not make decisions due to ego etc

[Saj]

Originally Posted by MIG Saj - the point is that his weaknesses were all to see for a while - why confirm him(as you suggest) and then chuck him so unceremoniously. We need to get out of this malaise. We need decisions made at the top level to have some weight - we want the decision makers to think and evaluate not make decisions due to ego etc

I think MIG that the decision makers were under pressure themselves and I am certainly not making excuses for them as they are as much to blame for the farce that is Pakistan cricket.

My impression is that a number of senior players were upset with Malik and were venting their frustrations to the Board regularly. By the end I think Malik was a tired, frustrated and very lonely skipper

As I said Malik could have countered that with some good leadership, but the 3rd ODI was basically the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Wazeeri]

I don't think this particular event provides evidence of ad-hocism.

If a player doesn't perform as a player then he loses his place
If a captain doesn't perform as a captain he loses his place.

That's how selection works all over the world, and it isn't as if there were no calls for Malik to lose the captaincy before the series.

Malik's tenure has seen wins against minnows and bashings from other teams. He was clearly not a good captain.

He was given a last chance against Sri Lanka and he proved once again that he was incapable. It was the right time for him to go because we don't want our chances in the upcoming test series affected by poor captaincy.

[Mythsmoke]

Originally Posted by Wazeeri I don't think this particular event provides evidence of ad-hocism. If a player doesn't perform as a player then he loses his place If a captain doesn't perform as a captain he loses his place. That's how selection works all over the world, and it isn't as if there were no calls for Malik to lose the captaincy before the series. Malik's tenure has seen wins against minnows and bashings from other teams. He was clearly not a good captain. He was given a last chance against Sri Lanka and he proved once again that he was incapable. It was the right time for him to go because we don't want our chances in the upcoming test series affected by poor captaincy.

The logic of his removal is not up for debate - the method is, appointed indefinitey, full faith reposed....one phone call from the president everything changes...thats ad hoc.

[Wazeeri]

The logic of his removal is not up for debate - the method is, appointed indefinitey, full faith reposed....one phone call from the president everything changes...thats ad hoc.

Indefinite means that there is no defined period. There is no inconsistency between the two things you have mentioned.

I don't understand what you mean by one phone call from the president.

[Savak]

Indefinite can have both negative and positive meanings. If your winning, it means long term security but if you are losing and not delivering results, it means immediate dismisal. In fact i agree with it to be honest, my impression of Malik was that he more often than not relaxed because he knew he had a comfortable 2 years at the top.

He was even given a flat in Ajman, Dubai because he was a skipper of the Pakistani team that reached the final of the T-20 tournament in Canada. So there were perks as well being the captain.

[Savak]

In fact i dont exactly disagree with the method of Malik's removal. In fact i think its good, it will send a message to the next man in charge that he could suffer a similar fate if he does not take his job seriously enough.

Malik's captaincy was the most insipid, uninspiring i have ever seen. God he made Inzi look like Ian Chappel. The same mistakes day in day out, no thinking or no effort to try something out in the middle and it was no surprise to see Inti slam Malik for not taking his job seriously and it was even more shocking to find out Malik's lack of communication with his team mates.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Wazeeri I don't think this particular event provides evidence of ad-hocism. If a player doesn't perform as a player then he loses his place If a captain doesn't perform as a captain he loses his place. That's how selection works all over the world, and it isn't as if there were no calls for Malik to lose the captaincy before the series. Malik's tenure has seen wins against minnows and bashings from other teams. He was clearly not a good captain. He was given a last chance against Sri Lanka and he proved once again that he was incapable. It was the right time for him to go because we don't want our chances in the upcoming test series affected by poor captaincy.

All you are saying is true ( about his performance) - but what were they waiting for?

You and I can have opinions like this but the PCB shouldnt be acting in this adhoc manner.

[Wazeeri]

but what were they waiting for?

MIG Bhai,

You can't kick someone out for one bad series. You have to wait until you feel that you have seen enough.

When you have seen enough is a matter of judgement and I guess this latest series was it for the PCB.

For some of us that point came long time ago and maybe the PCb was of the view that Shoaib is learning on the job but it is apparent to everyone that is not the case,

Ad-hocism has been displayed in how they awarded central contracts to Akhtar and upgraded Kaneria. There is adhocism in the selection process, there is adhocism in arranging series but for getting rid of a captain, there is no better way then the way this was done.

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by MIG The hate for Malik was palpable at PP - but thats fine - we are whats described as a bunch of volatile (and semi stable) fans. When whole institutions act in a unpredictable behaviour, its a different ball game! Look at the chain of events leading to Maliks dismissal: 1. Appointed captain forever (mostly) 2. Win against SL in 1st ODI and life is Good 3. Loss against SL in 2nd ODI and the whispers begin 4. Loss against SL (75 AO Debacle) - statement from PCB about confidence in his abilities 5. YK becomes captain I know that he wasnt a great captain but can someone pls explain the actual reason for his replacement? a 2-1 ODI loss against SL which happens to be in the Middle of the series - after Pakistan playing competitive cricket in many months? And what if we didnt have this break in the series? would PCB still have acted in the name of good governance? Defies belief and imagination !! If work on the principle that ends justify means then no institution in this world would work. If there was a correct way to do this, it should have been for the whole PCB management to resign! Pakistani cricket can never move forward when knee jerk reactions from PCB are the means for progress. Sad.

Basically, it looks like the PCB have no plan and don't know what they're doing.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by OZGOD Basically, it looks like the PCB have no plan and don't know what they're doing.

Aye - its the same old **** with the PCB

[12thMan]

And what if we didnt have this break in the series? would PCB still have acted in the name of good governance?

No. A 3-0 win would have secured, dinner with president of Pakistan and another series with Malik as Captain (which is the test series of this seires)

Half the business is run on media/public as they guide PCB because they have no plan or idea of what they are doing in next 6 months

[MIG]

Some points to consider:

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...-no-confidence Butt's trial and error style of management inspires no confidence By Agha Akbar submitted 2 days 16 hours ago TWO sackings in two prime jobs in two days - this is rather rapid, even by Pakistan cricket's standards where such mayhem has been known to happen, indeed many times over. And make no mistake about it, both Shoaib Malik and Javed Miandad have been pushed to quit. That means that it finally sunk in with the power-that-be, in this case chairman PCB Ijaz Butt that both the captain and his appointee in the newly-minted position of director general cricket operations were no good. This may be correct, indeed is correct. But given that Butt has been associated with the ad hoc setup of the Board off and on for the last half a dozen years or so, and thus absolutely current with the goings-on, should have arrived at in the first place. Is it only when disaster strikes, as it did in the form of an out-of-sorts Sri Lanka sorting us out before being put in its place by India on Wednesday, and simmering multi-pronged tension in the PCB board room that the chairman should act? Is Butt's job dousing the fire alone when it has already erupted and is about to engulf the whole works? Does it not include thinking ahead and charting a course that could guide us to success and glory? Despite having promised much, the Butt style of management through trial and error is not much different from his predecessor. And this would not inspire much confidence in those who aspire to see Pakistan cricket

and to see how this all works, consider...

PCB backs under-fire captain Malik Karachi (IANS): Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ijaz Butt has refused to sack Shoaib Malik as captain in spite of mounting criticism after Pakistan's humiliating 234-run defeat in the ODI series decider against Sri Lanka last week. Butt was quoted as saying in an interview Monday that the board cannot take action against Malik on the basis of one or two results and will decide about its course of action after receiving a report from the team management. Pakistan won the series opener by eight wickets in Karachi but was beaten by 129 runs in the second match and then by 234 runs - its worst ever one-day defeat - in the series finale in Lahore on Saturday. Critics have blamed Malik for his failure to gel the players together. Meanwhile, the Senate's committee on sports has summoned the skipper along with Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam and chief selector Abdul Qadir in Islamabad February 9. Senator Enver Baig, a member of the Senate committee, told IANS Monday that the committee wants to carry out a comprehensive inquiry into what he termed as a shameful defeat against Sri Lanka. The PCB chairman, however, said the board will not take any hasty decision. "Captains are not appointed on an ad-hoc basis," said Butt, a former Pakistan Test cricketer. "We are all heartbroken over the crushing defeat but will take our steps cautiously." Butt said he summoned the team management Sunday for an emergency meeting to discuss the pathetic results in the last two one-dayers against Sri Lanka. The PCB chief said that the team management is expected to file its comprehensive report on the series within the next couple of days.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Of course this is nothing new, but I prefer a shambles like this than an administration who display facade of being on top everything and "professional" yet make as many idiotic mistakes. In their haste, the current shambles sometimes unwittingly make a couple of pretty good decisions.

Both Lawson and Malik needed to go. Under the previous administration they would have been "given time" etc.....with this approach at least we may mistakenly fall upon the correct combination without realising it. It's better to radically change than to be stuck with the same monotonous unperforming captain and coach.

[Mythsmoke]

It a shortsighted, morally bankrupt way of doing things. Typical of this country.
The ends dont justify the means. When you have no principles you compromise at every avenue.