How many more losses before you guys realise we need..

[Crucifier]

How many more losses before you guys realise we need the ICL players?

Imran Nazir brings the aggressiveness required in modern day cricket to score quickly in the power plays. How many times are we going to see Pakistan with only 30 runs in 10 overs? The match is generally lost here with these pathetic starts.

Mohammad Yousuf provides solidity in the middle order. Most of the time, prevents Pakistan from collapsing.

Abdul Razzaq's contribution down the order is invaluable. Brings peace to the mind knowing even if Afridi gets out, there's someone down the order who can blitz those quickfire 50's. Extends our batting lineup and can occasionally provide those match winning bowling/batting performances. A great 4th/5th bowling option.

Forget the rest of the ICL players. These 3 need to be drafted into the ODI team immediately for us to have ANY success in the future.

Here's the worrying thing. We're playing a lack lustred 2nd string Australian team who can't play spin. If we can't score more than 200 against a weak bowling attack in Pakistan-like conditions, we are done for on fast bouncy tracks.

[Savak]

We need the ICL players and some more chances to be given to deserving youngsters like Fawad Alam and anyone impressive in domestic cricket. The best way to rebuild a team is always a healthy mixture of good experienced match winning players and youngsters as well.

And btw add Rana Naveed to that list as well.

[Inswinger]

We have enough "ICL players needed" threads.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Just had a look over Razzaq's profile on Cricinfo, and what a shock !! He's just 29.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by Bublu Bhuyan Just had a look over Razzaq's profile on Cricinfo, and what a shock !! He's just 29.

Him and Afridi are the same age. Nothing shocking about that.

[Amjid Javed]

Another ICL thread woopi dooo!

Bring back Imran "son of viv richards" Nazir and he will lead pakistan to glory and end all wars in the world and cure poverty etc...

[Imy]

any body seen imarn nazirs reccord against good team when he played. One can always thrash club cricketers

[saf7321]

[QUOTE=Crucifier]How many more losses before you guys realise we need the ICL players?

Imran Nazir brings the aggressiveness required in modern day cricket to score quickly in the power plays. How many times are we going to see Pakistan with only 30 runs in 10 overs? The match is generally lost here with these pathetic starts.

Mohammad Yousuf provides solidity in the middle order. Most of the time, prevents Pakistan from collapsing.

Abdul Razzaq's contribution down the order is invaluable. Brings peace to the mind knowing even if Afridi gets out, there's someone down the order who can blitz those quickfire 50's. Extends our batting lineup and can occasionally provide those match winning bowling/batting performances. A great 4th/5th bowling option.


these three and MR. Rana

[Sheikh_Ji]

How many u-turns from ICL players before you realize they have no loyalties; ICL players will not tear up their contracts. They signed up for ICL fully knowing that they will be ineligible to play for Pak. The ICL players will make the odd noise in the media regarding the ban but have no desire or interest of doing anything concrete to have their bans over-turned!

[Amir]

SOmeone merge these threads. We get it. You want ICL players, do you have to create a new thread to say what Savak has said 100 tiems?

[pakistani pride]

What we need is fresh blood guys like Fawas alam and M aamir should be playing !

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Another ICL thread woopi dooo! Bring back Imran "son of viv richards" Nazir and he will lead pakistan to glory and end all wars in the world and cure poverty etc...

You wan't PCB to being back Taufeeq Umar? We already have enough block and get out players.

[the Great Khan]

We only need yusuf..any team in the world would want a player like him back..the rest I'm not bothered about...moyo would have destroyed this bowling attack..misbah I'd just not good enough...

[salman24]

I've said it many times before and i'll say it again. We need Yousuf, Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain. Rana and I Nazir are also welcome to join.

[muhammad saad]

Originally Posted by salman24 I've said it many times before and i'll say it again. We need Yousuf, Abdul Razzaq and Saqlain. Rana and I Nazir are also welcome to join.

Plz plz plz have one more vacancy my toilet cleaner is also interested to join.

[Foozee]

need ICL players back definetly

[salman24]

Originally Posted by muhammad saad Plz plz plz have one more vacancy my toilet cleaner is also interested to join.

I don't get it. Is he a former international player? Ohhhh....... you were trying to be sarcastic. Good try......

[FAM]

One more loss...

[bone_thug786]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Another ICL thread woopi dooo! Bring back Imran "son of viv richards" Nazir and he will lead pakistan to glory and end all wars in the world and cure poverty etc...

the form that is afridi is in i think we need 10 more of him. more then anything

[ammarz]

I just want to ask one thing. What has Imran Nazir done to deserve a return to Pak Colors? Has anyone seen his average? he is tried and tested failure. Scoring a few runs in crappy ICL does not warrant a return to Pak Team. We just have to admit that we are a below average team at this point of time, with no talent coming through.

[Foozee]

Originally Posted by ammarz I just want to ask one thing. What has Imran Nazir done to deserve a return to Pak Colors? Has anyone seen his average? he is tried and tested failure. Scoring a few runs in crappy ICL does not warrant a return to Pak Team. We just have to admit that we are a below average team at this point of time, with no talent coming through.

same can be said about Afridi but the guy keeps playing doesnt he

[srh]

Mods please merge this thread with other bring back ICL players thread. Its getting annoying.

[QasimKhan07]

Go on the pcb website and email them if you can and tell them to bring back theses two or tell saj bhai to tell an agent to talk to pcb about the icl players after all the series victory loss against a weak australia side is evident that we are issing players expecially Mohammad Yousuf and Imran Nazir

[CrickFan]

Invest in youth so that you can reap the benefit in the long run (like South Africa , India and now Australia ) - Pakistan is losing ...and losing badly anyways with these senior deadwood players .. Till the new comers are given a chance and a decent run - you will never know how good or bad they are ..
And I really don't know what the Pakistan "think tank" was doing changing the bowlers in every match when it was pretty clear that batting was the weak link.. No thought was given into the appropriate usage of second power play which leads one to wonder - do they really know the rules of the game ..
Pakistan was outbatted , outbowled and "out thought" once again .. Nothing is going to change .I guess . This "cartel" of senior players and management will continue .
Sorry to say this but Pakistan currently resembles India of 90's where Sidhu , Shastri , Vengsarkar , Kapil Dev continued to play for India long after their "expiration date"

[srh]

Originally Posted by CrickFan And I really don't know what the Pakistan "think tank" was doing changing the bowlers in every match when it was pretty clear that the batting was the weak link

100% correct.

[ammarz]

Originally Posted by Foozee same can be said about Afridi but the guy keeps playing doesnt he

Afridi could and can still chip in with the ball. What can Nazir do other than play the same hoicks and get out. He is a poor man's Afridi. and that is a compliment.
Its like everyone here is having selective amnesia. Nazir was a terrible player, and is/was completely one dimensional.
Razzak was lazy and was a passenger during the latter half of his career. He only performed when he knew his position was in danger. And we want these players back in the team again?!

[161]

Here is my whining thread about getting the ICL players back.

I'll make it short and sweet.

First off the only two players we need back are MoYo and Razzaq. Our batting took a massive hit when they left and we haven't been able to put a competitive score since.

So how do we do it without angering the all mighty BCCI ?

Simple.

They crossed over to the ICL for financial reasons, so use money to lure them back.

Specifically, I suggest Butt gets of his high horse and offers to match whatever salary MoYo and Razzaq are making in the ICL. If they can make the same money playing for their national team I'm sure they won't hesitate in coming back.

And none of this cooling off period nonsense either please !

If I was in Butt's position and wanted to keep my job .. I'd make it my priority to get these two back and screw everything else.

[Foozee]

Originally Posted by ammarz Afridi could and can still chip in with the ball. What can Nazir do other than play the same hoicks and get out. He is a poor man's Afridi. and that is a compliment. Its like everyone here is having selective amnesia. Nazir was a terrible player, and is/was completely one dimensional. Razzak was lazy and was a passenger during the latter half of his career. He only performed when he knew his position was in danger. And we want these players back in the team again?!

bet Nazir can whoop yer @ss...lmao

[Uncle Sam]

Originally Posted by Crucifier How many more losses before you guys realise we need the ICL players? Imran Nazir brings the aggressiveness required in modern day cricket to score quickly in the power plays. How many times are we going to see Pakistan with only 30 runs in 10 overs? The match is generally lost here with these pathetic starts. Mohammad Yousuf provides solidity in the middle order. Most of the time, prevents Pakistan from collapsing. Abdul Razzaq's contribution down the order is invaluable. Brings peace to the mind knowing even if Afridi gets out, there's someone down the order who can blitz those quickfire 50's. Extends our batting lineup and can occasionally provide those match winning bowling/batting performances. A great 4th/5th bowling option. Forget the rest of the ICL players. These 3 need to be drafted into the ODI team immediately for us to have ANY success in the future. Here's the worrying thing. We're playing a lack lustred 2nd string Australian team who can't play spin. If we can't score more than 200 against a weak bowling attack in Pakistan-like conditions, we are done for on fast bouncy tracks.

Yousuf, Razzaq, Nazir.... etc etc are all the chips of the same bag.... they all crumble under pressure.... you keep switching the batsmen for next 100 years and I bet u wont solve the problem.

We need powerful brains not anymore powerful batsmen that we currently have.
We need to mentally and psychologically train this bunch of daft how NOT to crumble under pressure.

[Uncle Sam]

Originally Posted by Foozee bet Nazir can whoop yer @ss...lmao

Deliver three short length balls and then a full length yorker to Imran Nazir and 9 out 10 times he will be out.

We need mentally sharp players, not physically tarzans.

[Zaz]

Not this again, only players thatll improve our team are yousuf and maybe rana

We are really missing yusuf

[ammarz]

Originally Posted by Foozee bet Nazir can whoop yer @ss...lmao

Right !! very mature , that really enhances the conversation.

[Crucifier]

Please DON'T merge this thread. I want to bump this back up for when the ICL players return and boost Pakistan back to world class performers.

[BoomBoomAfridi]

I'm all for the ICL players coming back, Inshallah the PCB will do the right thing for once and open the door for the likes of Moyo, Imran Nazir, Razzaq and Rana to return!

PLZ PLZ PLZ COME BACK!

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Uncle Sam Deliver three short length balls and then a full length yorker to Imran Nazir and 9 out 10 times he will be out. We need mentally sharp players, not physically tarzans.

All three short balls out of the ground and if your lucky maybe just maybe you might get a sniff with full ball(if thats not dispatched out of the ground)

[kingusama92]

Only guy I miss is Yousuf and to some extent Razzaq. All the others were never truly regulars in the Pakistan side.

Yousuf's batting was truly missed in this ODI series, I am sure he could have won us one of these games single handedly.

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Uncle Sam Yousuf, Razzaq, Nazir.... etc etc are all the chips of the same bag.... they all crumble under pressure.... you keep switching the batsmen for next 100 years and I bet u wont solve the problem. We need powerful brains not anymore powerful batsmen that we currently have. We need to mentally and psychologically train this bunch of daft how NOT to crumble under pressure.

Do you think Pakistan should sack all current batsman? Non of them match your standard.

[Pak_Pace]

ICL players are as crap as national team players, except for Yousuf.

Razzaq and Nazir (one of my fav players) are average players who will shine once in a blue moon these days.

Pakistan have NO talent left at all. Simple as. And ICL players are not talented either, again except for Yousuf, who is the only player we have who can compete with the best in the game.

[On_the_up]

Problem is upstairs I am afraid, in the old grey matter department. Simply replacing player A with player B will not make much of a difference long term. Pakistan players need to be mentally strong, you know "not giving a sucker an even break" type of thing.

[slix10]

Sigh,

we suck.

We need fit and fullforce AAG. And Yousuf.

[Crucifier]

Well well well.

Imran Nazir has been blasting quick starts for Pak. Razaaq picking up wickets and when given the opportunity has scored quickly down the order and Rana Naveed has had some very good all round performances.

Whilst Yousuf is yet to impress, 3/4 of the recalled ICL players played in the remaining ODI's and T20 and Pakistan won.

A clear sign to the PCB. Nazir, Yousuf, Razzaq and Rana are a must.

[Savak]

Originally Posted by Crucifier Well well well. Imran Nazir has been blasting quick starts for Pak. Razaaq picking up wickets and when given the opportunity has scored quickly down the order and Rana Naveed has had some very good all round performances. Whilst Yousuf is yet to impress, 3/4 of the recalled ICL players played in the remaining ODI's and T20 and Pakistan won. A clear sign to the PCB. Nazir, Yousuf, Razzaq and Rana are a must.

The inclusion of the right ICL players and the right new youngsters at the same time have changed the dynamics of the squad completely. Plus Younis Khan is also utilizing Afridi better and Afridi is thriving on the responsibility. Bottomline this competition for places is just awesome.