NRR Thread - explanations and what if scenarios

[t_kaay]

seeing as its a low score to chase, do we need to get them quick to up our overall run rate, seeing as 3 teams MAY end up with 4 points each at the end of the super eights??? i might be wrong.....

[Oxy]

If we win today & lose to Ireland, it might.

[kingusama92]

Won't matter at all if we win the next game and NZ lose their next game. Of course I am assuming we will chase down 99 today

If both teams win their next game or both teams lose their next game then it will.

[Inswinger]

It will matter if 3 teams end up with 2 wins.

[Sparhawk]

If NZ beat SL, which is quite likely, it will all come down to run rate.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Inswinger It will matter if 3 teams end up with 2 wins.

it can also be with 3 teams with 1 win each. Pakistan can lose to Ireland and SL winning against NZ and Ireland.

To OP: yes RR is important for Pakistan

[TalhaSyed]

Run rate will matter if NZ, SL & Pak all end up with 2 wins but if Pakistan win today and then SL beat Ireland & NZ, Pakistan need to beat Ireland to reach the semis. How ever if Pak wins today and against Ireland on monday, and SL beat Ireland tomorrow but loose to NZ then it will come down to NRR. Inshallah however Pak will beat Ire & NZ and SL will do the same and both asian teams will be in the semi's inshallah

[Saj]

Yes it will, if Pak, SL and NZ all win 2 games each in this group.

[pacman]

The good thing about todays win is, that NZ astronomous +net runrate has gone from + 4 something to plus 0.95 (I think). This means that not only does NZ need to win against Sri Lanka, but probably also by a good margin, as both SL and Pak still has a game against Ireland. Offcourse, I am presuming that both SL and Pak will boost their NRR in those games.

[Shahid A]

how much runs or wickets will NZ have to win by to make them go through

[DonJee]

Originally Posted by Shahid A how much runs or wickets will NZ have to win by to make them go through

Has to be an emphatic win I have to do!

We need Ireland to do us a favour by not loosing badly that will keep Sri Lanka's NRR in check and then It doesn't matter who wins or looses between Sri Lanka & NZ - if NZ win then Sri lanka NRR will come down and if SL win then we're through All that depends on we beating IRELAND though!!

[Momo]

Originally Posted by t_kaay Does run rate matter?

Has there ever been an occasion when run rate has not mattered when it comes to Pakistan's progress to the next stage of any tournament?

[waqar akram]

if pakistan and sri lanka beat ireland and newzealand beat sri lanka in the last game then pakistan,sri lanka and new zealand will be tied on points and net run rate with come into the equation

[siccric]

Originally Posted by Momo Has there ever been an occasion when run rate has not mattered when it comes to Pakistan's progress to the next stage of any tournament?

At least we've won a world cup event in the last two decades

[161]

Ok .. so NZ are only .2 ahead of us in run rate.

So even if they do somehow manage to get by Lanka we can still advance by walloping Ireland.

[161]

Note that our match on Monday is before the Lanka/NZ match.

So we won't have the benefit of knowing exactly what we need to do like we did against Holland.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by kashif77 Note that our match on Monday is before the Lanka/NZ match. So we won't have the benefit of knowing exactly what we need to do like we did against Holland.

We should basically look to go out there and win big that's all. After that it's all up to luck.

[Javelin]

Assuming Pakistan beat Ireland, and Sri Lanka also beat Ireland, then since Sri Lanka/New Zealand match is the last one in their Group, they will both know what they have to do.

It is not inconceivable that if looks like being close towards the end, Sri Lanka play it safe by accepting a close defeat, as long the losing margin still keeps their run-rate higher than Pakistan's.
New Zealand, also knowing what they need to do, could also go through with that win.

So Pakistan not only must win, but win by a massive margin against Ireland, so as to throw such possibilities into the dust heap.

[shikari]

run rate will not be in Pak's favor. Even after the win today Pak is still behind NZ in NRR. Pak needs to win big against Ireland so that NZ - SL match becomes almost inconsequential

[Inswinger]

Agreed.

[The Slogger]

Hey i just checked the net run rates after the match before the match Nz were at 4.150 and Pk at - 0.950 u can see on cricinfo.

http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/eng...w=pointstabler

But now after winning the match Pk is on 0.740 and Nz 0.943
http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/eng...ew=pointstable

So the Nz net run rate has decreased by 4.150-0.943=3.207

And Pakistans net run rate has increased by 0.740-(-0.950)=1.69

Isn't this wrong i mean both should be same i mean NRR lost by Nz should be equal to the NRR gained by P

[IAJ]

Well we just have to swallop Ireland on Monday.

But I have heard that the weather may play its part on monday, what are the forecasts?
So We hope Sri Lanka beat New Zealand and if the pak-ireland match is washed out we will get one point and get past New Zealand.

[Inswinger]

20 overs were added to NZ because they were all out. Only 13 overs were added for Pakistan.

[Sufian84]

just win and net run rate will be fixed itself.

[Phuzz]

I'm nervous about the Ireland game, that loss in 2007 against them left a very horrible memory.

[iZeeshan]

It honestly doesn't matter.

As long as NZL doesn't completely thrash Sri Lanka (that is if they even win), we'll go through regardless.

[abc_to_xyz]

What will happen if Ireland ever defeat SRILANKANS?

[ali_ed2006]

Beat Ireland with a big margin. Hope NZ thrash SL badly so that Pak and NZ go through...

or beat Ireland with a good enough margin, hope SL beat NZ and we go through.

[Nice-N-Fresh]

According to cricinfo and some other sites pakistan´s nrr is 0.740. That is if pakistan faced 40 overs in two mathes but pakistan have only faced 38.3 overs. So the nrr should be higher for us. Isnt it?

http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/eng...ew=pointstable

I dont know how to count the nrr. Can someone plz tell?

[t_kaay]

Net Run Rate

A team‟s net run rate is calculated by deducting from the average runs per over scored by that team throughout the relevant portion of the competition, the average runs per over scored against that team throughout the relevant portion of the competition.

In the event of a team being all out in less than its full quota of overs, the calculation of the net run rate of both teams shall be based on the full quota of overs to which the batting team would have been entitled and not on the number of overs in which the team was dismissed.

Only those matches where results are achieved will count for the purpose of net run rate calculations. Where a match is abandoned, but a result is achieved under Duckworth/Lewis, for net run rate purposes Team 1 will be accredited with Team 2‟s Par Score on abandonment off the same number of overs faced by Team 2. Where a match is concluded but with Duckworth/Lewis having been applied at an earlier point in the match, Team 1 will be accredited with 1 run less than the final Target Score for Team 2 off the total number of overs allocated to Team 2 to reach the target.

In circumstances where a match (and the points for such match) is awarded to a team as a result of the other team‟s refusal to play, either by the match referee in accordance with Law 21.3 (a)(ii) as read with playing condition 21.3 or in accordance with the provisions of the relevant event agreements signed by the participating teams, the net run rate of the defaulting team shall be affected in that the full 20 overs of the defaulting team‟s innings in such forfeited match shall be taken into account in calculating the average runs per over of the defaulting team over the course of the relevant portion of the competition. For the avoidance of doubt the runs scored and overs bowled in such forfeited match will not be taken into account when calculating the net run rate of the team to whom the match was awarded.

[t_kaay]

i dont think the 0.2 difference between NZ and Pak is huge.......if Pak beat Ireland by a good margin and the NZ and SL game is a close game then we should be ok

[Mohsin]

Forget about that damn RR!

First priority is to actually win the game. If we bat first look to put a score of minimum 180 on the board and then we can do to Ireland what we did to the Netherlands.
If we bowl first...do to Ireland what we dod to NZ.......SIMPLE AS!

If we go into the game thinking about our RR from ball one...we'll lose.

[taqi]

In Super 8 two matches Pakistan have
against 249/40 = 6.225
for 231/33.1 = 6.978
so its 6.978-6.225 +0.753

[Javelin]

have just done a rough calculation.
If ,say, NZ score 150 and Sri Lanka only make 140 (but are not bowled out), New Zealands Net Run Rate actually goes DOWN.
And if Pakistan make, say, 180 and restrict Ireland to 150, Pakistan's goes UP.

Pakistan's NRR will then be higher than that of NZ.

[FAM]

Originally Posted by Javelin have just done a rough calculation. If ,say, NZ score 150 and Sri Lanka only make 140 (but are not bowled out), New Zealands Net Run Rate actually goes DOWN. And if Pakistan make, say, 180 and restrict Ireland to 150, Pakistan's goes UP. Pakistan's NRR will then be higher than that of NZ.

You are right.

But why cricinfo is showing 0.74 nrr for Pakistan. It should be 0.753.

[iafzal]

Pak need to win by 50 runs or byt 5 overs against to make sure we are up with the NRR.
I think SL/NZ match should be close and within 20 runs.

[bladerunner]

Originally Posted by taqi In Super 8 two matches Pakistan have against 249/40 = 6.225 for 231/33.1 = 6.978 so its 6.978-6.225 +0.753

its not 231/33.1

its 231/33.1666..

because 33 Overs and 1 ball and 1 ball is 1/6=0.1666..

[FAM]

Originally Posted by bladerunner its not 231/33.1 its 231/33.1666.. because 33 Overs and 1 ball and 1 ball is 1/6=0.1666..

Thanks. That clears the confusion.

[shikari]

If Pak wins by 35 runs against Ireland then they marginaly take over NZ in NRR. They will be at 1.00 even. So just imagine NZ at +0.91. All they will have to do is beat SL by 10 runs and go ahead of Pakistan

[Best_Bacha]

Run rate will not come equation cuz SL will run over NZ easily.

[Xohaib]

Pakistan really need to crucsh ireland and i know they will do it easily.

[FAM]

Originally Posted by shikari If Pak wins by 35 runs against Ireland then they marginaly take over NZ in NRR. They will be at 1.00 even. So just imagine NZ at +0.91. All they will have to do is beat SL by 10 runs and go ahead of Pakistan

Right now:

New Zealand  	        +0.943  297/40.0  	        215/33.1
Pakistan 		+0.740 	231/33.1 	        249/40.0

Let's say Pak score 160 against Ireland and restrict Ireland to 135.

Pakistan 		391/53.1 (7.354)	        384/60.0 (6.4) 
7.354 - 6.4= + 0.954

Now Let's say Newzealand scores 160 and restrict SriLanka to 150.
New Zealand  	457/60.0  (7.62)	365/53.1 (6.87)
7.62-6.87= + 0.75

New Zealand NRR will actually go down? Am I right with the above calculations?

[biophysics]

calculation for run rate happening

[FAM]

Originally Posted by biophysics Pakistan need to beat Ireland by 10 more runs compared to how Sri lanka beat ireland. So if Sri Lanka beat ireland by 30 tomorrow, we need to beat ireland by 40 on Monday. If this happens, we will top Group F at the end of Monday. Whatever happens on Tuesday, we will still be either #1 or #2. (The run rate of both NZ and SL can't go up on tuesday) Does this make sense really happy for Razzaq. we need a smiley for him

aq We have it!

[ali_ed2006]

Lankan openers will really go after Ireland...hopefully Ireland can manage to keep it a close game.

[dblock]

Pakistan really need to do to Ireland what they did to Netherlands and demolish them.

That way it will make it far easier for Pakistan and they will top group and not have to worry about run rate, this is assuming SL don't destroy Ireland by a huge amount.

[Shahid A]

sri lanka beat new zealand and we beat ireland were through and i think that will happen

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by dblock Pakistan really need to do to Ireland what they did to Netherlands and demolish them. That way it will make it far easier for Pakistan and they will top group and not have to worry about run rate, this is assuming SL don't destroy Ireland by a huge amount.

IF Pakistan and Sril Lanka both crush Ireland than NZ is not going to make to semis even if they win the game against sri lanka.

[pakistanbest]

How do Pakistan top their group, thats the question i need to know, got a semi ticket for that!

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by pakistanbest How do Pakistan top their group, thats the question i need to know, got a semi ticket for that!

maybe post#43

[pakistanbest]

Originally Posted by insaftak maybe post#43

That don't answer my question

[shikari]

Pak can top the group in the following scenario

Beat the crap out of Ireland I mean beat them by 50 - 60 runs

and then hope SL wins against Ireland by a small margin

and then hope SL loses against NZ by about 10 - 15 runs

3 way tie where Pak will top the group

and the second team will be ' Who cares'

[Inswinger]

The easy scenario is that we beat Ireland and SL beat NZ.

[FAM]

Originally Posted by Inswinger The easy scenario is that we beat Ireland and SL beat NZ.

Which is highly likely. NZ will be clueless against Murali and specially Mendis. Ireland will be clueless against Afridi and specially Ajmal's doosra.

[pacman]

Ireland have gone quite close to SL's total, which means that SL have not rocketet their run rate. Now, can we get someone to calculate how much we need to beat Ireland by, to surpass SL regarding run rate. That way, we can go through to semifinals without worrying how NZ or SL does in their last match.

[DonJee]

Our NRR is already better than SL even with sri lanka winning today - all we need to do is make sure we win against Ireland 2mo and the Saturday result won't matter who wins or looses as we'll be through already!!

[sohaibsyed]

A win by pakistan tomorrow by a good enough margin to get their net run rate up by .2 will lead to a semi final birth.

As a NZ or SL win will make the NRR of of the other team go down and have 2 wins still. This Ireland game worked out very nicely for Pakistan

[biophysics]

simply beat Ireland, No need for calculations

[KaSaNoVa_G]

If we can win by around 40 odd we will Sri Lanka didnt beat us by much and didnt beat Ireland by much.. where as we lost to Lanka by not that much and beat Ireland quite easy if we can do the same thing against Ireland we will go through.. i might be wrong but my bet is around 40 odd runs ? and at the same time if New Zealand beat Lanka we could top the group but i think we might have to win by a few more runs then ??

[hashman]

Sri Lanka 2 2 0 0 0 4 +0.700 294/40.0 266/40.0
New Zealand 2 1 1 0 0 2 +0.943 297/40.0 215/33.1
Pakistan 2 1 1 0 0 2 +0.740 231/33.1 249/40.0


This is how it stands now. Pakistan look to be in a good position to advance. A win by 20 runs should see them go into either first or second, depending on the result of the SL vs. NZ match.

[sohaibsyed]

LOL that looks awfully familiar

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by shikari Pak can top the group in the following scenario Beat the crap out of Ireland I mean beat them by 50 - 60 runs and then hope SL wins against Ireland by a small margin and then hope SL loses against NZ by about 10 - 15 runs 3 way tie where Pak will top the group and the second team will be ' Who cares'

That is very much possible now, No?

[DonJee]

Our NRR is already better than SL even with sri lanka winning today - all we need to do is make sure we win against Ireland 2mo and the Saturday result won't matter who wins or looses as we'll be through already!!

[KB]

Currently Pakistan have a better net run rate than S.L.

So if Pakistan beat Ireland then they will have a good chance to qualify.

Assuming that Pakistan beat Ireland fairly comfortably, if Sri Lanka win the last match, then Pakistan and SL will go through, whereas if New Zealand beat Sri Lanka, then it is likely that Pakistan and NZ will go through because they have superior run rates.

[khilari]

i think we got exactly what we wanted

we are ahead of SL on Run Rate

All we need to do is beat Ireland to qualify. If SL beats NZ, then we are through on points and if NZ beats SL, then we will stay ahead of SL even if we beat Ireland by 1 run?? SL run rate will also go down if they lose to NZ

[161]

Lankan run rate has dropped below Pakistan's.

So even if we win by 1 run we will advance no matter the outcome of the other match.

[Couch Cricketer]

even if we beat Ireland by one run we will still get thru.
no matter who ever wins the SL & NZ match
as our runrate is better than
SL so if they loose PAK & nz will get thru and NZ will top the group
where as if NZ loose we should get thru on points

[kablooee87]

Ah, I hadn't thought of that!

There is a way to guarantee qualification before the SL/NZ match. Awesome.

[IM NOT YOU]

simple equation:

since pakistan have higher NRR than sri lanka, it doesnt matter who wins sri lanka new zealand anymore



SCENARIO: IF PAKISTAN WIN, THEY ARE IN . !! doesnt matter who wins nz/sl

[biophysics]

If pak make 150, we need to hold ireland to 138.

With this we qualify on Monday

[KaSaNoVa_G]

Inshallah we can do that .. make sure we in the Semi by Monday night...

Now im being greedy what do we need to do and hope for to reach the Semi at Oval meaning we finish top.. i got tickets for that and would love to be there !

[pacman]

Teams Mat Won Lost Tied N/R Pts Net RR For Against
Sri Lanka 2 2 0 0 0 4 +0.700 294/40.0 266/40.0
New Zealand 2 1 1 0 0 2 +0.943 297/40.0 215/33.1
Pakistan 2 1 1 0 0 2 +0.740 231/33.1 249/40.0
Ireland 2 0 2 0 0 0 -2.300 250/40.0 342/40.0

We are actually ahead of SL, so am I right, all we have to do is beat Ireland and we are through. Perhaps we need to surpass NZ nrr to be sure.

[Couch Cricketer]

Originally Posted by biophysics If pak make 150, we need to hold ireland to 138. With this we qualify on Monday

if we can hold the to 149 we will still qualify

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by kashif77 Lankan run rate has dropped below Pakistan's. So even if we win by 1 run we will advance no matter the outcome of the other match.

Not really

because if PAK win by 1 run then their RR will drop below SL's

You docs need to listen to biophysics

[sohaibsyed]

Originally Posted by kashif77 Lankan run rate has dropped below Pakistan's. So even if we win by 1 run we will advance no matter the outcome of the other match.

Ah I never thought of that good call

[161]

Actually .. even if we lose we can still advance if Lanka beats NZ by a big margin and we don't lose by much.

[sohaibsyed]

o yeah lol nvm

[sohaibsyed]

Yeah. But there is a very good chance now!! InshAllah Pakistan can do it tomororw. No rain right?

[pacman]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU simple equation: since pakistan have higher NRR than sri lanka, it doesnt matter who wins sri lanka new zealand anymore SCENARIO: IF PAKISTAN WIN, THEY ARE IN . !! doesnt matter who wins nz/sl

What I don't understand is, was SL not on +0.95 before the match. How can they go down even though they won by a small margin. How does that work?

Can Pakistans NRR go down if we beat Ireland by small margin or what? I am a bit confused

[sohaibsyed]

Originally Posted by biophysics If pak make 150, we need to hold ireland to 138. With this we qualify on Monday

InshAllah!! just pray it doesnt rain or something