Who has the talented young players, India or Pakistan?

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so what is the difference between these two countries when it comes to selecting and finding talented young cricketers, lets have an eye on the current young and promising players in both sides-

India

Sharma- rated very highly, people compare him with Little Master, but is he?, if he is talented than how to get him a perfect platform to show his skills?

Raina- i have no idea how he came about to indian side, most likely IPL

Ojha, Jadeja- and again ipl is i think the most probable reason they are presenting india

Yousuf- he is very promising to me, even though he isnt as young as others but still has a birght future, so a good find by the BCCI

Ishant Sharma- he is promising also but need to adopt to all kind of cricket and conditions

as i am not an indian so dont know, how they have performed and the reason for them to be in the side, so can you please write down your reasons

Pakistan

Fawad Alam- well hasnt got a propper chance in the side, but when ever selector talk about young talent, he's the first one they mention, they just getting him ready i preffer, and also his first class averrage sums it up, 56 averrage, with two double hundred and one triple, 302* is the highest score

Aamer- very young but very fast and talented, he showed some blinks of him in T20 world cup, with his pace if he dont get injured, hes going to get faster and faster, so we loose one akhtar only to get new one in.

Nasir jamshed and ahmed shehzad- again havent been tested but rated very high

there are loads of players linning up for a spot in the team, with their performances not names.



So at the end, who has the better chance to make most of those players india or pakistan and which side has the talented young players.

Note: This thread is not to jinx any player or any board but to just get thouht of you people on the players and the system which the players come in to the side.

[12thMan]

For Pakistani players the ones you listed as

Nasir jamshed and ahmed shehzad- again havent been tested but rated very high

compared to the other two have had probably more chances than Fawad and Aamer (only T20 WC). Fawad may have been included in more squads or selected in more playing XI but never got chances to play as an opener does (meaning he came when match is usually over).

My guess is India will still have better batsmen and hopefully Pakistan continues with bowlers. But India is giving a lot more chances to their players and Pakistan is not. In the end it will not be talent but how the team and players take it and move forward. Of the two countries I see India on better path to groom players. Pakistan is not daring enough

[MalikMohsin]

It is too early to comment based on talented youngsters that has the most among between both countries.

However, Pakistan team has emerged the favorite to watch now. It is no longer fun to watch India cricket right now as compared to 2008, and the passion of Indian cricket is really going downhill lately. On the other hand, i am very excited to watch Pakistan team in action to see several talented cricketers are in action.

India was the favorite to watch in 2008, and now, Pakistan will be favorite to watch in this year especially the next year i really hope. Cricket has been unpredictable so far.

[saqlain]

Both India and Pakistan have good talent just like any other country in this world. I am not sure why some of us are under this impression that only Pakistan is the country to produce talented cricketers???? Why dont we put SL, Australia, NZ, SA or England in the same category???

[Wassixpakistani]

Their was a similiar thread like this earlier , cant seem to find it now.....oh well lets see who's more talented :
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Originally Posted by saqlain Both India and Pakistan have good talent just like any other country in this world. I am not sure why some of us are under this impression that only Pakistan is the country to produce talented cricketers???? Why dont we put SL, Australia, NZ, SA or England in the same category???

Its not the impression its the circumstances we live in. We dont have any system in the country and yet somehow we produce some of the exciting talents in the world. People call us one of the most talented cricket nation in the world becasue we can do unthinkable.

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by saqlain Both India and Pakistan have good talent just like any other country in this world. I am not sure why some of us are under this impression that only Pakistan is the country to produce talented cricketers???? Why dont we put SL, Australia, NZ, SA or England in the same category???

Lets take the other sides and their upcoming talents.

Aus: Have they been able to find one good spinner after the legend Warne?Have they found any good replaement of Hayden?McGrath?Even Dizzy?

NZ:Name any quick genuine bowlers kiwis have produced apart from Bond?And any exciting batsman apart from Ross Taylor?

England:Same story dont have a genuine spinner who can be trusted upon with from ages, Right?Only exiting batting prospect is KP, and he isnt English too, Right?The English media is all about Fredie, but really is he that good?

Going on my thinking I will think that the Asian teams (Pak,SL,Ind) produe talent much more than the Non-Asian teams.

[Wassixpakistani]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Lets take the other sides and their upcoming talents. Aus: Have they been able to find one good spinner after the legend Warne?Have they found any good replaement of Hayden?McGrath?Even Dizzy? NZ:Name any quick genuine bowlers kiwis have produced apart from Bond?And any exciting batsman apart from Ross Taylor? England:Same story dont have a genuine spinner who can be trusted upon with from ages, Right?Only exiting batting prospect is KP, and he isnt English too, Right?The English media is all about Fredie, but really is he that good? Going on my thinking I will think that the Asian teams (Pak,SL,Ind) produe talent much more than the Non-Asian teams.

In Asia , Children develop their skills through gali or beach cricket , they experiment alot more and hence develop unorthox ways of playing cricket,
while on the other hand Saf,Aus and Eng have High tech academies for every child who wants to play cricket hence children dont get to experiment much with their batting or balling , they teach them to be proper cricketers and sort anything in them that looks unorthodox hence the only thing that is produced is an average cricketer without any special talent.

[ammarz]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Lets take the other sides and their upcoming talents. NZ:Name any quick genuine bowlers kiwis have produced apart from Bond?And any exciting batsman apart from Ross Taylor? Going on my thinking I will think that the Asian teams (Pak,SL,Ind) produe talent much more than the Non-Asian teams.

Geoff Allot was pretty quick and so was O' Doul before injuries cut short their careers.
You also have to look at their populations and other sports (rugby) that is played over there; compared to India and Pakistan where our populations are much larger and Cricket is what we eat and breathe.

[saqlain]

Originally Posted by Umair Paracha! Its not the impression its the circumstances we live in. We dont have any system in the country and yet somehow we produce some of the exciting talents in the world. People call us one of the most talented cricket nation in the world becasue we can do unthinkable.

I am not sure who you are quoting here. I did my schooling in Pakistan and I know most high schools, colleges and universities have their respective teams and they play against other teams. This is total nonsense that we dont have any system in our country. Do you think our selectors go and roam around the streets or Lahore and Karachi for the members of Pakistani team??? I dont think so. We are just like any other cricket playing nation in the world. Only issue is that in Pakistan everyone wants to be a cricket player and in other countries at people have option.

[saqlain]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Lets take the other sides and their upcoming talents. Aus: Have they been able to find one good spinner after the legend Warne?Have they found any good replaement of Hayden?McGrath?Even Dizzy? NZ:Name any quick genuine bowlers kiwis have produced apart from Bond?And any exciting batsman apart from Ross Taylor? England:Same story dont have a genuine spinner who can be trusted upon with from ages, Right?Only exiting batting prospect is KP, and he isnt English too, Right?The English media is all about Fredie, but really is he that good? Going on my thinking I will think that the Asian teams (Pak,SL,Ind) produe talent much more than the Non-Asian teams.

Your name says it all. no offense.

You have given examples of McGrath, Hayden and Warne. How many players have we produced like them???? Before you start counting our entire cricket team make sure that you verify the stats first against the ones produced by other countries.

I dont care how many great batsmen Pakistan has or some other country has. If we are not the world's best cricket team and we are not dominating anyone that means we dont have that kinda talent. I rather have 11 mediocre players who can dominate the world rather then having 11 so called talented who cant do jack.

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by saqlain Your name says it all. no offense. You have given examples of McGrath, Hayden and Warne. How many players have we produced like them???? Before you start counting our entire cricket team make sure that you verify the stats first against the ones produced by other countries. I dont care how many great batsmen Pakistan has or some other country has. If we are not the world's best cricket team and we are not dominating anyone that means we dont have that kinda talent. I rather have 11 mediocre players who can dominate the world rather then having 11 so called talented who cant do jack.

Trust me kid I have seen this game since you were not even born, I am an Afridi Fan, does that mean I dont know about this game?

Think again.And Yeah No Offense ;)

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Lets take the other sides and their upcoming talents. Aus: Have they been able to find one good spinner after the legend Warne?Have they found any good replaement of Hayden?McGrath?Even Dizzy?

Don't know if you are aware but we are still the number 1 Test team in the world.

Hayden - we have a 20 year old with 2 centuries and a fifty in 3 Tests. Not a youngster with talent like you talk about some of the Pakistan youngsters but someone who has already succeeded at Test level.

Mitchell Johnson and Peter Siddle are handy bowlers too, averaging under 28 at Test level and young and fast.

And yeah we have no spinner, but we had no spinner before Warne either. He was a once off.

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Don't know if you are aware but we are still the number 1 Test team in the world. Hayden - we have a 20 year old with 2 centuries and a fifty in 3 Tests. Not a youngster with talent like you talk about some of the Pakistan youngsters but someone who has already succeeded at Test level. Mitchell Johnson and Peter Siddle are handy bowlers too, averaging under 28 at Test level and young and fast. And yeah we have no spinner, but we had no spinner before Warne either. He was a once off.

Point Taken Sir.

[siccric]

New Zealand have Jesse Ryder
West Indies have a few guys too
Everyone does!

[haroonrasheed320]

Originally Posted by MalikMohsin It is too early to comment based on talented youngsters that has the most among between both countries. However, Pakistan team has emerged the favorite to watch now. It is no longer fun to watch India cricket right now as compared to 2008, and the passion of Indian cricket is really going downhill lately. On the other hand, i am very excited to watch Pakistan team in action to see several talented cricketers are in action. India was the favorite to watch in 2008, and now, Pakistan will be favorite to watch in this year especially the next year i really hope. Cricket has been unpredictable so far.

Could not agree more too early to say, infact it is impossible to compare young talents since the are good between them but the real test is at international level, no matter how well a domestic cricketer you are (Kambli) you have to be a good International player to be rated

[pun500]

Originally Posted by haroonrasheed320 Could not agree more too early to say, infact it is impossible to compare young talents since the are good between them but the real test is at international level, no matter how well a domestic cricketer you are (Kambli) you have to be a good International player to be rated

kambli was a v good cricketer internationally as well avgd about 51-52 in tests got exposed in 1 series but his problem was that of akhtar too much interest in off field activities

[pun500]

as for good young players

for india - raina , r sharma , i sharma , v kohli , ojha , uthappa (loss of form) maybe
untested: m pandey ,sudeep tyagi

pak - shezad ammer
untested:jamshed umar akmal alam(yea he hasnt got any chances at international level)

aus:siddle johnson(not exactly young) ,hughes

wi: darren bravo ,ravi rampaul ,jerome taylor(hes young)

saf:van der merve, abcd , duminy ,parnell

nz: southee,ryder,taylor,guptill

lanka:mendizzzzz,angelo matthews,malinga(hes young)

[nikred]

Originally Posted by haroonrasheed320 Could not agree more too early to say, infact it is impossible to compare young talents since the are good between them but the real test is at international level, no matter how well a domestic cricketer you are (Kambli) you have to be a good International player to be rated

Kambli was a delightful left hander to watch. He was as good as any batsman at the international level. What he lacked as an international player is not talent but discipline.

[Xohaib]

Originally Posted by nikred Kambli was a delightful left hander to watch. He was as good as any batsman at the international level. What he lacked as an international player is not talent but discipline.

Shoaib akhter

[akafen]

If you go through domestic cricket in Pakistan player by player, Pakistan has great depth. The problem is that depth isnt utilized.

[Rudi hater]

When it comes to T20 Asian teams will dominate that format. I can't see any team from other regions coming close to them in T20.