Brad Haddin to Lead Australia A in Pakistan

[Officer Barbrady]

Cricinfo staff

August 11, 2005

Brad Haddin, the New South Wales wicketkeeper, will lead a 14-man Australia A squad on the forthcoming tour of Pakistan in September. The side will play two four-day matches against Pakistan A in Rawalpindi, and three one-day matches against the same opponents in Lahore. Michael Hussey, now a regular in Australia's one-day team, has been named vice-captain.

The squad includes four players currently with the touring party in England, where Australia are contesting the Ashes. They are Haddin, Brad Hodge, Shaun Tait, and Stuart Clark. "We have selected a squad of players that we consider could play for Australia in the future," said Trevor Hohns, the chairman of selectors in a Cricket Australia release. "We believe it is a good balance for the tour which includes two four-day matches and three one-day matches."

The Australia A squad

Brad Haddin (capt, New South Wales), Michael Hussey (vice-capt, Western Australia), Nathan Bracken, Stuart Clark, Phil Jaques, Dominic Thornely (New South Wales), Daniel Cullen, Shaun Tait (South Australia), Brad Hodge, Michael Lewis, Cameron White (Victoria), James Hopes, Shane Watson (Queensland), Marcus North (Western Australia)

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[Geordie Ahmed]

That will be a tough test for our A team - the youngsters should learn a lot from this series

[Officer Barbrady]

Now that's a very strong squad with accomplished batsmen and some quality bowlers as well. It should be a very useful tour for us and well done to the PCB for setting it up.

I just wish we had scheduled another 4-day game or two and I hope we select our squad carefully.

[Nauman]

That A side looks as good as our national side if you ask me.

[Awesome Anjum]

Very strong side - they would give our senior side a hard time, let alone our A team.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Nauman That A side looks as good as our national side if you ask me.

It does look very good and its an ideal opportunity to test out the likes of Mansoor, Najaf, Yasir Ali and Irshad. I hope the series gets television coverage.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Lets hope the "security expert" gives the tour the go ahead

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Lets hope the "security expert" gives the tour the go ahead

They (he) will.

[Nauman]

Read in the news paper yesterday that they have already given green light.

[Asim2Good]

I think Umar Gul will b playing in two 4days games for Pak A

[alybaba]

Perhaps we may be able to gauge the quality of the openers of the A side against Tait, and finally choose the other permanent opener and give him a solid run in the England Test series.

[Naz]

This is a really GOLDE OPPORTUNITY for our youngsters to play tough cricket as this is not any old kangaroo side the aussies have sent, these are real contenders for the aussie team. Our youngsters should make the most of this and we should even keep some of our frontline young players in this team such as salman butt, rao ifthikar, shoaib malik and umar gul. Considering zimbabwe A team were so competetive with ours, i expect aussie team to hammer ours but we have nothing to lose if we give it our best shot and dont waste the chance.

[the Great Khan]

dont mind if we lose as this tour is a learning excercies..we need our youngsters to perform so ill be keepin an eye on certain individuals rather than worrying too much about the results..

[Toony™®]

strong team..hope none of them pull out...

[Big Daddy]

bring in imran nazirrrrrrrrrrr

[Nawazb]

big daddy imran nazir shud not be called up he has no temperament at all i would rather see a younger player being given a chance like khuram mansoor, k sajid etc.

[Hash]

Imran Nazir should be the the guy who has to clean all the pads, gloves, helmets, shoes etc at the end of the day

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Hash Imran Nazir should be the the guy who has to clean all the pads, gloves, helmets, shoes etc at the end of the day

...why are you the one currently doing that job and now want someone else to pick it up from you

[Hash]

Monsee- I am unemployed at the moment. If someone offered me that job I would probably take it!

[Amjid Javed]

i hope PCB select an oppostion sqaud that contains emerging pakistan players and up and coming youngsters... rather that tried and tested jokers like misbah, faisal iqbal etc...

Australia A team is very strong indeed!!

[Saj]

As Aj says, I'd also like to see youth given a chance by the Pak selectors, not the "usual tried and tested supsects.

A strong looking squad selected by the Aussies and it will prove a tough challenge.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Saj As Aj says, I'd also like to see youth given a chance by the Pak selectors, not the "usual tried and tested supsects. A strong looking squad selected by the Aussies and it will prove a tough challenge.

an ideal oppostion x1 v Aus "A"

ashar zaidi, Nasir Jamshed, shahid yousaf, hasan raza (c), Khalid Latif, fawad alam, zulqarnian haider, mansoor amjad, najaf shah, muhammed irshad, yasir ali

a mixture of up and coming players and fringe players (ashar zaid.hasan raza, yasir ali)

i think we need to see how our 2nd string go...!

[Noddy]

I wud also suggest, Sami, Taufeeq will also be given a game. The Aus squad, is a very good one in my opinion, Cameron White,Mick Lewis, Marcus North. I have played against in the Leagues, good players, Mick is sharp when he wants to be.

The younger players shud be tried to, but I wud suspect some usual suspects perhaps, but several form the Academy will be in the fringe....Lets see....

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Noddy I wud also suggest, Sami, Taufeeq will also be given a game. The Aus squad, is a very good one in my opinion, Cameron White,Mick Lewis, Marcus North. I have played against in the Leagues, good players, Mick is sharp when he wants to be. The younger players shud be tried to, but I wud suspect some usual suspects perhaps, but several form the Academy will be in the fringe....Lets see....

Salaam Noddy!

What about waqar Ahmed though...why is he not amongst the players selected...is he not considered good enough...where does he stand in a comparison with Najaf / Any other good leftie

[Noddy]

I cant really answer ur question
Like I have said before, he is a decent bowler, but 1 good set of performances doesnt make u a bowler, and also his attitude needs to change a bit.....

Our left arm seamers, are simply seamers,not quicks, and dont confuse any of them with Wasim Akram. We have a long way to go in order for our next batch to be half as good as he was....

Najaf has worked hard on his negatives to get where he is, so good luck to him, and all the others trying to push thru.

[Prince]

I hope Tariq Mahmood is given a go

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Noddy I cant really answer ur question Like I have said before, he is a decent bowler, but 1 good set of performances doesnt make u a bowler, and also his attitude needs to change a bit..... Our left arm seamers, are simply seamers,not quicks, and dont confuse any of them with Wasim Akram. We have a long way to go in order for our next batch to be half as good as he was.... Najaf has worked hard on his negatives to get where he is, so good luck to him, and all the others trying to push thru.

Thanks for the input ...there was that difficult

BTW, Waqar has performed well for several seasons so I don't know what you meant by "1 good set of performances doesnt make u a bowler"

Also, I am not asking for another Akram...not everyday a team gets one like him

I will take an honest and hard working Vaas anyday (And No for anyone like Khalil)

I hope Najaf is better than Waqar cause it is Pakistan that I follow not some player!

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Monsee Thanks for the input ...there was that difficult BTW, Waqar has performed well for several seasons so I don't know what you meant by "1 good set of performances doesnt make u a bowler" Also, I am not asking for another Akram...not everyday a team gets one like him I will take an honest and hard working Vaas anyday (And No for anyone like Khalil) I hope Najaf is better than Waqar cause it is Pakistan that I follow not some player!

Actually he was talking about Najaf not Waqar.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Marooned Actually he was talking about Najaf not Waqar.

I got what I wanted out of him about Waqar Ahmed, which was:


"I cant really answer ur question
Like I have said before, he is a decent bowler, but 1 good set of performances doesnt make u a bowler, and also his attitude needs to change a bit....."




I know it isn't much but I say it's a start...I will keep pounding until I get full details

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by Monsee I got what I wanted out of him about Waqar Ahmed, which was: "I cant really answer ur question Like I have said before, he is a decent bowler, but 1 good set of performances doesnt make u a bowler, and also his attitude needs to change a bit....." I know it isn't much but I say it's a start...I will keep pounding until I get full details

As far as I can see those are comments about Najaf. He has been talking about Najaf's attitude for a while plus that he didn't rate him while at the academy (thus the one season comment).

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Noddy I wud also suggest, Sami, Taufeeq will also be given a game. The Aus squad, is a very good one in my opinion, Cameron White,Mick Lewis, Marcus North. I have played against in the Leagues, good players, Mick is sharp when he wants to be. The younger players shud be tried to, but I wud suspect some usual suspects perhaps, but several form the Academy will be in the fringe....Lets see....

that the Durham bowler?

[Daoud]

Yeah, Mick Lewis played for Durham. One of my friends here rates him pretty highly. Only seen him once myself

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Daoud Yeah, Mick Lewis played for Durham. One of my friends here rates him pretty highly. Only seen him once myself

I have never seen him play BUT Durham is my local team so i support them via the net - i hope Lewis has a stinker of a series tho

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Noddy I wud also suggest, Sami, Taufeeq will also be given a game. The Aus squad, is a very good one in my opinion, Cameron White,Mick Lewis, Marcus North. I have played against in the Leagues, good players, Mick is sharp when he wants to be. The younger players shud be tried to, but I wud suspect some usual suspects perhaps, but several form the Academy will be in the fringe....Lets see....

id rather give some youngsters ago than watch sami get whacked around back by Aussie A batsmen.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed id rather give some youngsters ago than watch sami get whacked around back by Aussie A batsmen.

So Sami doesn't deserve to proove himself after his operation...if people start loosing hope so quickly in a player, like you do, we would never again have players like Imran. It took him 5 years to establish himself!

Sami has only played consistantly in the team for roughly a year...rest of the time he has been injured or he didn't have a place due to Wasim and Waqar being there

Even Flintoff, as great a player as he has become now, took a few years to really fulfill his potential...I know patience is not your forte but some time being quiet does help

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Monsee So Sami doesn't deserve to proove himself after his operation...if people start loosing hope so quickly in a player, like you do, we would never again have players like Imran. It took him 5 years to establish himself! Sami has only played consistantly in the team for roughly a year...rest of the time he has been injured or he didn't have a place due to Wasim and Waqar being there Even Flintoff, as great a player as he has become now, took a few years to really fulfill his potential...I know patience is not your forte but some time being quiet does help

yeah am sure come another 5 years and we will have "bradman sami" the 1st test match bowler to average 99.94 with the ball in test arena

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed yeah am sure come another 5 years and we will have "bradman sami" the 1st test match bowler to average 99.94 with the ball in test arena

Will he then be related to you, by last name, and also the sauces guy too

[Noddy]

Amjid,

Bhai some of your posts dont make cricketing sense....!!!
What youngsters wud u playagainst an experienced Aussie A team>>>

Tell me

[Noddy]

Some of their guys are going hard to make the first team.....infact the lot of them will be

Who would you pick, Fawad Alam and the U19 lot??? Who bhai

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Noddy Some of their guys are going hard to make the first team.....infact the lot of them will be Who would you pick, Fawad Alam and the U19 lot??? Who bhai

Waiting for a reply from Amjid...gonna have to wait for an Eternity


Noddy what do you think of this set of players:

Taufeeq Umar, Ashar Zaidi, Khurram Manzoor, Arsalan Mir, Shahid Yousaf, Nasir Jamshed, Hassan Raza, Saeed Bin, Tahir Khan, Mansoor Amjid, Yasir Ali, Zuqarnain, Irshad, Sami, Rao, and Najaf Shah

[Noddy]

No Saeed Bin Nasir for me
No Tahir Khan.....

Arsalan is an interesting choice. I think he is a very very good cricketer....But ppl like Jannisar maybe ahead of him, and even Yasir Arafat...

They may pick WASTI....Dont ask me why, but just some rumblings.....They will go for an experienced A team.....Ppl like Misbah and co shudnt get pciked as they are tried and tested.

Not sure, but lads like Farhan Adil, Shoaib Khan, Adnan Akmal reserve keeper....Shahid Nazir will prob get a go, Imran Tahir perhaps????

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Noddy Some of their guys are going hard to make the first team.....infact the lot of them will be Who would you pick, Fawad Alam and the U19 lot??? Who bhai

ashar zaidi, Nasir Jamshed, shahid yousaf, hasan raza (c), Khalid Latif, fawad alam, zulqarnian haider, mansoor amjad, najaf shah, muhammed irshad, yasir ali

thats my x1...! its good that the aussie team is experienced. that way we can see which of these players are good enuf and which arent.... id rather see fringe players but given tough tests then see tried and tested failures like fazal-e-akbar, misbah etc play...!

yes some may not make it.. but lets see if they can be giving them toughtest test possible.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed ashar zaidi, Nasir Jamshed, shahid yousaf, hasan raza (c), Khalid Latif, fawad alam, zulqarnian haider, mansoor amjad, najaf shah, muhammed irshad, yasir ali thats my x1...! its good that the aussie team is experienced. that way we can see which of these players are good enuf and which arent.... id rather see fringe players but given tough tests then see tried and tested failures like fazal-e-akbar, misbah etc play...! yes some may not make it.. but lets see if they can be giving them toughtest test possible.

Khalid Latif

Then you make fun of others when they mention a player you don't like...
Worst cross batted opener I have ever seen in my whole life and even you, if I remember correctly, was not much impressed by his batting.


You are just making up some names without ever really knowing if they are good enough at the moement or not

[Nauman]

Fazal-e-Akbar should get a go, dont judge him over one performance against India so you cant call him tried and tested as its just one test and no one gets tried and tested over one test match. I am all for a bit of experience in the middle order fielding an under19 side will be foolishness as it would do them no good.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Nauman Fazal-e-Akbar should get a go, dont judge him over one performance against India so you cant call him tried and tested as its just one test and no one gets tried and tested over one test match. I am all for a bit of experience in the middle order fielding an under19 side will be foolishness as it would do them no good.

Amjid has two set of rules:

1- For Players he likes: They can play and fail in last 10 tests but they still remain untried and they have not failed, rather they were mishandeled...case in point Taufeeq, Farhat etc.

2- For players he can't stand (for some reason I can't really comprehend): These players can fail in one innings or a few games, or may have not yet reached their full potential YET they become "Bits and pieces or Big falures"...case in point, Malik, Fazle, etc.

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Nauman Fazal-e-Akbar should get a go, dont judge him over one performance against India so you cant call him tried and tested as its just one test and no one gets tried and tested over one test match. I am all for a bit of experience in the middle order fielding an under19 side will be foolishness as it would do them no good.

people seem happy to judge Shoabi Malik's opening capabilities after one test though

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Hash people seem happy to judge Shoabi Malik's opening capabilities after one test though

no i judge s maliks capablilities of opening on the ways hes be crap thru his whole career on lively wickets, short pitched bowling and world class seamers.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Monsee Khalid Latif Then you make fun of others when they mention a player you don't like... Worst cross batted opener I have ever seen in my whole life and even you, if I remember correctly, was not much impressed by his batting. You are just making up some names without ever really knowing if they are good enough at the moement or not

yes hes not always been flash hot, but as rather see if hes improved and can handle himself against the best rather than watch faisal iqbal bat agen.

[MIG]

Yaar AJ - One century later from Malik and you will be saying something else ! Remember how people were after BWs head when he was promoted to No 3 in ODIs ? Same arguments then - same arguments now - If he is the answer to our opening issue - so be it - he may not have the prettiest technique ever but if he survives 50 overs with 30 under his belt to provide Pakistan the start it needs - its worth a shout!

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed yes hes not always been flash hot, but as rather see if hes improved and can handle himself against the best rather than watch faisal iqbal bat agen.

Oh so a guy who was clearly hitting every single ball to the leg side a la Naved Latif (A guy we both hate with a passion as opposed to Noddy) and that too as an opener (Skipper also) when facing the new ball, has a chance to improve with time but nobody else can do that e.g. Malik, Faisal etc.

Great Logic!

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Yaar AJ - One century later from Malik and you will be saying something else ! Remember how people were after BWs head when he was promoted to No 3 in ODIs ? Same arguments then - same arguments now - If he is the answer to our opening issue - so be it - he may not have the prettiest technique ever but if he survives 50 overs with 30 under his belt to provide Pakistan the start it needs - its worth a shout!

il shall state this AGAIN

link - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ghlight=shoail

This is why time and time agen ive said when pakistan Decide on picking an opening pair they need to do the following

1) Think longterm

2) pick a pair who can play in Asian conditions and away conditions.

Geordie, you can pick s malik, afridi, farhat, butt, hameed, taufeeq etc... for test matches in Asia and more often than not they will look like the next saeed anwar/amir shoail...! they will score 50s/100s etc and people will say yes problems solved etc....

The true test is when these openers play against best bowlers in world and outside of asia.. thats when flaws are exposed and most of these wanabe anwars/shoails etc are made to look more than ordinary to say the least....

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seems people on whole on here are happy to think short term!!!

thats is why we have such a crap test team... b4 any1 says dropping s malik afta 1 test is the same.. well he shudnt have been opening in 1st place...!

pakistan should be picking there best opening pair.

how many people here would pick s malik as there 1st choic opener for test @ headingley, or in new zealand or at perth?

The typical stupid short termness is what is killing are test team!

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Monsee Oh so a guy who was clearly hitting every single ball to the leg side a la Naved Latif (A guy we both hate with a passion as opposed to Noddy) and that too as an opener (Skipper also) when facing the new ball, has a chance to improve with time but nobody else can do that e.g. Malik, Faisal etc. Great Logic!

hes not playing test cricket is he? this is pakistan "A" big difference... if hes not gud enuf or othas arent they u dont pick them for tests. this is what "A" teams are for.

[Monsee]

But why you proposed Khalid Latif's name then...he is worst than all these above openers Combined

[MIG]

AJ - word of advice - Upper case letters, Huge fonts etc are considered RUDE in daily, normal discourse. I will let you off this time but I wont explain why your post has been deleted next time I see such an outburst.

You are free to make your point of view but dont think others are stupid!

Regards

MIG

[MIG]

And you too Monsee....

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed hes not playing test cricket is he? this is pakistan "A" big difference... if hes not gud enuf or othas arent they u dont pick them for tests. this is what "A" teams are for.

Yeah then they select the players that you want, those players get thrashed right left and center, and we will be treated with 1001 posts about why "Our current players are not good enough" or "Why PCB is stupid to have picked their Bhanjay's etc" or "Why Woolmer is retarded to have picked these guys who anyone can see are not good enough"

Some people are never happy

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen And you too Monsee....

I was just merely matching him to show him how it feels to see such big fonted letters to read from

[Noddy]

simmer down boys !

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Noddy simmer down boys !

So Noddy what about Waqar...HeHe

Just kidding

BTW, what are the new rumors floating around in cricketing circles these days

[Mercenary]

I'm not sure if this squad has been announced on PP yet but the following are the players that will be visiting Pakistan with the Australian A team. The list includes the ages of the players and the domestic team they play for...


Brad Haddin © 27 New South Wales

Michael Hussey (vc) 30 Western Australia

Nathan Bracken 27 New South Wales

Stuart Clark 29 New South Wales

Daniel Cullen 21 South Australia

Brad Hodge 30 Victoria

James Hopes 26 Queensland

Phil Jaques 26 New South Wales

Michael Lewis 31 Victoria

Marcus North 26 Western Australia

Shaun Tait 22 South Australia

Dominic Thornely 26 New South Wales

Shane Watson 24 Queensland

Cameron White 21 Victoria

...this squad look very strong and includes players like Haddin, Hodge, Hussey, Bracken, Tait, Watson and White whom are fringe players for the full Aussie team. Also only 4 of their players are under 26 whilst most of the Pak A team will be an u23 side!!

4 of the above players (Hodge, Haddin, Tait and Stuart Clark) are currently in the Ashes squad and if any of these 4 play against England in the 5th test then they will be replaced by one of the following 4 reserve players...

Reserves

Chris Hartley 23 Queensland

Chris Rogers 27 Western Australia

Mitchell Johnson 23 Queensland

Damien Wright 30 Tasmania

This looks like a VERY strong Australian A side and this will be a proper test for the Pakistan A team. This is the sort of opposition against which fringe players can make their names!

[OTW]

The selection is excellent, but I'm not sure I agree with Haddin being named captain. If he does play for Australia, it usually is in a backup role to give Gilchrist a rest or if Gilly's injured - and if Gilly does retire, I only see Haddin taking the gloves on for a couple of years until incumbent Luke Ronchi is ready.

Might have been worth it to give the captaincy to someone a tad younger, who's a lot more likely to play for Australia for a few years at the very least. Marcus North may not have been a bad choice.

Meanwhile, keep an eye open for Mitchell Johnson if he does play. He's rated very highly as an all rounder - was "discovered" by Dennis Lillee, who saw a lot in him - raw pace, and a lot of batting potential. If he can stay fit (recently a big if), he's been tipped to definitely be a major force in the Aussie ranks down the line.

[Bailan]

Lets see what are the names of our squad?

[hasanahmad]

I believe they will select the most succesful of the recently concluded PCB Green vs White:

so,


Salman Butt
Yasir Hameed
Hasan Raza
Faisal Iqbal
Shahid Yousaf
+Zulqarnain
Muhammad Irshad
Najaf Shah
Umar Gul
Shahid Nazir
Imran Tahir


Reserves:

Taufeeq Umar
Bazid Khan
Yasir Ali
Mansoor Amjad
Faisal Athar

[tahaqureshi]

Is it just me, or was Umar Gul a tad bit expensive?

[Amjid Javed]

bump for those who like to replicate posts.

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed bump for those who like to replicate posts.

When you learn to read then read this bit...

Originally Posted by Mercenary I'm not sure if this squad has been announced on PP