Fawad Alam or Sheharyar Ghani

[srh]

Only ODIs

I created a thread before the start of Sri Lanka ODIs that if there is only one spot available in the ODI team and there are two candidates Fawad Alam and Umar Akmal, who would you choose. Now I think we all have seen enough to say for sure that Umar Akmal should be chosen ahead of Fawad Alam.

Sheharyar Ghani was the second best batman in Pakistan A team after Umar Akmal. Now the question is :
If there is only one spot available in the ODI team and there are two candidates Fawad Alam and Sheharyar Ghani, who would you choose?

[pakistanichamp]

Both. I would remove misbah and yousuf and replace them with Fawad and Sheryar Ghani

[srh]

Originally Posted by pakistanichamp Both. I would remove misbah and yousuf and replace them with Fawad and Sheryar Ghani

But I said there is only one spot available. You have to pick one of them.

[Oxy]

I have no idea who this Sheryar Ghani is - but you have to ask what Fawad has done wrong?

He served his apprenticeship - carried the drinks; been in all the squads. And now that he is getting a bit of a look in, we are considering Sheryar Ghani over him?

How does that work?

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by srh But I said there is only one spot available. You have to pick one of them.

Fawad Alam.

Sheryar Ghani can carry drinks for a couple of series!

[ahmed16]

We have not seen Sheryar Ghani, he may be an Omar Akmal or he may be a Salman Butt...for now it is only Fawad Alam AND Omar Akmal.

[Sufi Malang]

Never seen this GHANI guy so will have to look at him first only then can give my two cents ;)

[pakistanichamp]

And you can't say that Umar Akmal is a better batsman than Fawad Alam.

They are both good players and if they are played in the team at the same time, they can break many records set forth by the likes of Sachin and Lara.

There is no need to compare good players like these because our team is in need for both of them.

[srh]

Originally Posted by Oxy I have no idea who this Sheryar Ghani is - but you have to ask what Fawad has done wrong? He served his apprenticeship - carried the drinks; been in all the squads. And now that he is getting a bit of a look in, we are considering Sheryar Ghani over him? How does that work?

It works exactly how Umar Akmal won over Fawad Alam. The more talented one will win over the less talented one provided the more talented one uses his talent.

[Pak_mystery]

Fawad deserves a long run in the team so theres absoloutly no need to bring anyone else in his place.. Ghani can replace someone else if theres a need..But for now Fawad must play every single game..

[pakistanichamp]

Originally Posted by srh It works exactly how Umar Akmal won over Fawad Alam. The more talented one will win over the less talented one provided the more talented one use his talent.

Go check the First Class record of both players and then tell me who is more talented. Just because Fawad Alam is pressurized by all senior members of the team, he was unable to perform. You are in no position to say who is more talented. They both made the Pakistan team and that itself is due to both of them being talented.

[sehsan]

cant believe people, have we even seen Ghani?If not how can we even compare. I hope Ghani gets selected and gets a chance and then we will compare both.

[pakistanichamp]

Originally Posted by Pak_mystery Fawad deserves a long run in the team so theres absoloutly no need to bring anyone else in his place.. Ghani can replace someone else if theres a need..But for now Fawad must play every single game..

Agreed.

[Inswinger]

I'd consider Azhar Ali over Ghani at this point.

[sehsan]

Originally Posted by Inswinger I'd consider Azhar Ali over Ghani at this point.

IN test may be but i think Ghani have done better in onedays then Azhar

[fawad_wellwisher]

There are many Fawad Alam fans here so please STOP putting them on the spot. thankyou

[saeed-sohail]

I will choose my bhanja amman aged 11 who scored 56 against me and my mate in my back garden today he looks more talented then fawad and ghani both.

[shaun3]

Fawad needs a consistent run somewhere between positions 3-5.

It's a big ask slotting him in at 6 or 7 like they have been, esp when everyone has collapsed above him.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by srh Only ODIs I created a thread before the start of Sri Lanka ODIs that if there is only one spot available in the ODI team and there are two candidates Fawad Alam and Umar Akmal, who would you choose. Now I think we all have seen enough to say for sure that Umar Akmal should be chosen ahead of Fawad Alam. Sheharyar Ghani was the second best batman in Pakistan A team after Umar Akmal. Now the question is : If there is only one spot available in the ODI team and there are two candidates Fawad Alam and Sheharyar Ghani, who would you choose?

Have you seen Ghani play? if you have then fair enough you can pose the question ... but if you're the only guy who's seen him play then you're the best person to answer the question aswell ... we all know he put in some good performance's against Aus A ... lets hope he puts in more good performances on this A tour and gets selected then we'll see ... i just don't understand how you can compare playing styles by not having seen one guy bat

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by sehsan cant believe people, have we even seen Ghani?If not how can we even compare. I hope Ghani gets selected and gets a chance and then we will compare both.

I'll make him Umer Akmals VC

[Afridi_Fan]

I simply dont believe this type of crap.What the hell do we know about Ghani?

Fawad Alam has earned his place and he deserves a consistent run in the side, up till now he has not done bad at all, or you think otherwise Mr srh?

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Oxy I'll make him Umer Akmals VC

These jokes are getting old Oxy ... you need to come up with better one's or it just seems a little lazy

[DHONI183]

I must see Sheharyar Ghani first to decide this......

[Extreme Pace]

it just seems a little lazy

Watching Pakistani cricket will do that you

[Boi]

Azhar Ali is probably more dersiving than Sheharyar Ghani. So i'd have Azhar Ali over him.

[abc_to_xyz]

Never saw Ghani, so can't say anything...

[Saqlain_doosra]

How can we consider new batsman without giving Fawad a run in team. No one knows how sheharyar plays and as OXY said let him carry drinks and once position becomes availabe he will get his chance to play.

[IM NOT YOU]

Originally Posted by Oxy I have no idea who this Sheryar Ghani is - but you have to ask what Fawad has done wrong? He served his apprenticeship - carried the drinks; been in all the squads. And now that he is getting a bit of a look in, we are considering Sheryar Ghani over him? How does that work?

where he went wrong was... at birth when he was born in Pakistan..


any other country and he would be a set middle order batsman and hero.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU where he went wrong was... at birth when he was born in Pakistan.. any other country and he would be a set middle order batsman and hero.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Geordie Ahmed]

I would pick both as follows and give them a decent run

1) Kamran Akmal
2) Opener
3) Younis Khan
4) Ghani
5) Fawad Alam
6) Umar Akmal

However to go by the OP then Fawad deserves to be picked ahead of Ghani since he has earnt his chance and he has done nothing wrong to suggest he should be dropped. Umar Akmal has done superbly and has cemented his spot for the foreseeable future, hopefully Fawad can do the same

We need to give the youngsters a chance and stick with them - the World Cup is less than 2 years away so this would be the right time to pick a team and stick with it

[fawad_wellwisher]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I would pick both as follows and give them a decent run 1) Kamran Akmal 2) Opener 3) Younis Khan 4) Ghani 5) Fawad Alam 6) Umar Akmal However to go by the OP then Fawad deserves to be picked ahead of Ghani since he has earnt his chance and he has done nothing wrong to suggest he should be dropped. Umar Akmal has done superbly and has cemented his spot for the foreseeable future, hopefully Fawad can do the same We need to give the youngsters a chance and stick with them - the World Cup is less than 2 years away so this would be the right time to pick a team and stick with it

Hmm..... Ghani at 4. Malik is completely out of the picture now!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by fawad_wellwisher Hmm..... Ghani at 4. Malik is completely out of the picture now!

Indeed - he is out of form so its only fair that others be given a chance, Malik can go back to domestic cricket and earn a recall - if he does well then great it increases the competition

[in_cutter]

Ghani??

[Mercenary]

I think Ghani's too old to be getting into the team, we need to try younger guys.

[mmkextreme_1]

Another knee-jerk reaction by a PP'er!

Useless thread!

There is no comparison at this point!

Fawad Alam has earned his way up the ladder and certainly deserved it! The guy scored 168 on debut..he is special..just needs to be given a consistant chance!

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I think Ghani's too old to be getting into the team, we need to try younger guys.

How old is he? If he is 25 or so then he can still play 6 to 7 years easy.

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by Saqlain_doosra How old is he? If he is 25 or so then he can still play 6 to 7 years easy.

I think 23-24..

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Saqlain_doosra How old is he? If he is 25 or so then he can still play 6 to 7 years easy.

Almost 24!!

But seriously I've heard lots of good things about Ghani. I'd love to see him in the CT squad.

[Saqlain_doosra]

I take it you were joking about him being too old. 22-25 is best age for player to make debut becuase they normally have played enough domestic cricket to step up to international level.

[90MPH]

Fawad Alam deserves a long run, there is too much criticism about his technique which i think is undeserved. Hes averaging over 50 in both Test and ODI, what more can he do ? Salman butt is much more talented, but hes mentally weak and at the moment Pakistan need mentally tough players especially for test cricket.

[Inswinger]

The current A team series will be a telling series for Azhar Ali and Ghani. The Aussie tour and the SL tour should give us enough of a sample size to determine whom deserves a spot in the 15 man squad for the CT along with Fawad.

[zimran72]

if i had one slot open and had to choose from ghani and fawad right now.....

i would select ghani as captain...

although no one has seen him bat... he is more talented than fawad and akmal put together and he has a great head on his shoulders even though he has never been captain

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by zimran72 if i had one slot open and had to choose from ghani and fawad right now..... i would select ghani as captain... although no one has seen him bat... he is more talented than fawad and akmal put together and he has a great head on his shoulders even though he has never been captain

What? I hope your trying to be a comedian.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by srh It works exactly how Umar Akmal won over Fawad Alam. The more talented one will win over the less talented one provided the more talented one uses his talent.

Absoluetly true ... how many test matches and one days have you played to make that determination of who is less talented and who is more ... on the basis of scores and recent performances will you call Fawad an answer to our opening problem as he was successful in that role ... think twice before creating any non-sense thread ... If Fawad was not that deserving he would have never been close to the team ...

Also, if you have slight bit of idea of what kind of dirty politics happen in our cricket you would have easily understood how much pressure the guy is playing under. Don't want to take this thread towards Karachi vs Punjab thing which has ruined our cricket for a such a long time but you may get an idea of what I'm talking about ....

[pakistani pride]

Fawad deserves to play atleast 2 full series.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by zimran72 if i had one slot open and had to choose from ghani and fawad right now..... i would select ghani as captain... although no one has seen him bat... he is more talented than fawad and akmal put together and he has a great head on his shoulders even though he has never been captain

never seen him bat but surely he's better than Fawad

I think we have the next Umar Sharif in our midst

[kingusama92]

I would have to give the spot to Fawad Alam because he has already gained some exposure at this level and knows what it takes at this level already.

Of course this doesn't mean that we completely forget about the in form Ghani, all we will have to do is give him a spot on the squad and let him adjust to the international scene slowly like Alam did.

[mshafqat]

i see fawad alam bt his technique is nt good i don't see ghani bt i will go with technique and i think tht ghani has better technique

[Ryankhan]

I would say ghani. heard a lot about him and if given chance hope he is given fair chance. fawad needs to work on his technique....in order to stay longer in the team

[mmkextreme_1]

Again with the technique..people give Fawad Alam a chance!! You DON'T need a perfect technique to succeed in international cricket! Look at KP present day and look at Steve Waugh from the past! Hell Miandad wasn't that sound on technique (to what I have read and lil I have seen on Youtube of him)..its no mean to average nearly 57-58 in FC cricket and around 44-45 in List A, the guy has payed his dues and performed in FC cricket and on A tours, he certainly deserves a chance!!..also to come in your first test match..in a position you never have batted before..and score 168..the guy has determination and that will take him far..the guy is just what we are looking for to anchor the innings in the middle order..ok what if he had one bad match?! But look at what situation he came in at..he needed to save his wicket and not play any rash shots!

I say just give him a chanceee for the love of GOD..and let him show the world what he has..a few matches here and there are not going to do that..and always having the constant fear of being dropped is not going to do that either!..give him a constant run at-least the next couple of tours and judge him then..he will come good..put him in his normal batting position..and lets see what he does from there!

Ghani can carry the drinks for a while and get exposure to international cricket that way..one or two games here and there..that will allow us to see what type of player the guy is..

I seriously don't see the point of this thread..you are comparing two batsmen..one that has performed and played at the international level and has been seen by a lot of people and one that we don't know anything about..never seen..no comparison at all...I think this thread should be closed and opened back up when we get to see Ghani..then we can have a fair comparison..

[Usman Chadda]

Haven't seen Ghani, but going by the stats where he was second behind Akmal in the list of leading run-getters, its safe to say Ghani is one of our hottest prospects aswell. Should definitely be given a chance in the near future, preferably against New Zealand in October

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by ahmed16 We have not seen Sheryar Ghani, he may be an Omar Akmal or he may be a Salman Butt...for now it is only Fawad Alam AND Omar Akmal.

Absolutely.

[pakcricketfan]

Hud hogaee hai!!!!!!

What's wrong with some people here??
Can't you just simply understand that Fawad has EARNED his place in the team?? He's done EVERYTHING to warrant a place in this team.. If domestic cricket is the criteria for selection, then Fawad has excelled in it for 3 years..If A team is the criteria for selection in the national team, then Fawad has excelled in it EVERYTIME.. And you guys want to pick up Ghani over him?? ridiculous!

After being asked to carry the drinks for 2 years, he's now starting to get a few chances and here you are, wanting to pick up a Shehryar Ghani (who we haven't even seen yet AND who hasn't done anything BIGGER than Fawad Alam) over him??

Give Fawad a decent run in the team..Atleast let's give him a chance show what he's got before calling for his head!!

As for Ghani, he might be a talented player (i hope he is), but for now he can carry the drinks for a while..
And I hope Fawad and Umar Akmal BOTH will make it to the CT squad. And I hope Ghani/Azhar Ali do well enough to get a call up, too. All these guys, seem to have great potential.

[PakPassionate]

Sheharyar Ghani is much better ....

[Mercenary]

I havent seen Shehryar Ghani but I've read a few of his scorecards and to me it's crystal clear that Ghani has a perfect technique. No Pakistani batsman in history has had a technique as perfect as Ghani.

Alam on the other hand I have seen, I saw him make 150+ as an opener and what can I say. No technique, no application and no grit. Sorry Fawad your time is up!!

[PakPassionate]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I havent seen Shehryar Ghani but I've read a few of his scorecards and to me it's crystal clear that Ghani has a perfect technique. No Pakistani batsman in history has had a technique as perfect as Ghani. Alam on the other hand I have seen, I saw him make 150+ as an opener and what can I say. No technique, no application and no grit. Sorry Fawad your time is up!!

Absolutely spot on

[sohailmm]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I havent seen Shehryar Ghani but I've read a few of his scorecards and to me it's crystal clear that Ghani has a perfect technique. No Pakistani batsman in history has had a technique as perfect as Ghani. Alam on the other hand I have seen, I saw him make 150+ as an opener and what can I say. No technique, no application and no grit. Sorry Fawad your time is up!!

lolz,, :aamir

[AZ]

it would help if someone could get some footage of him, would really like to see his batting style/technique

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar it would help if someone could get some footage of him, would really like to see his batting style/technique

Who cares about all that. Just check out his domestic record.....

[pakistanichamp]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I havent seen Shehryar Ghani but I've read a few of his scorecards and to me it's crystal clear that Ghani has a perfect technique. No Pakistani batsman in history has had a technique as perfect as Ghani. Alam on the other hand I have seen, I saw him make 150+ as an opener and what can I say. No technique, no application and no grit. Sorry Fawad your time is up!!

Something is seriously wrong with you. I think you didn't watch his 150+ innings, you simply read it on some crap newspaper or you have the eyes of Waqar and Rameez.

Go FAWAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually i have nothing against Sheryar Ghani and both should be in the team.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by pakistanichamp Something is seriously wrong with you. I think you didn't watch his 150+ innings, you simply read it on some crap newspaper or you have the eyes of Waqar and Rameez. Go FAWAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually i have nothing against Sheryar Ghani and both should be in the team.

Never fails!!!

[zimran72]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I havent seen Shehryar Ghani but I've read a few of his scorecards and to me it's crystal clear that Ghani has a perfect technique. No Pakistani batsman in history has had a technique as perfect as Ghani. Alam on the other hand I have seen, I saw him make 150+ as an opener and what can I say. No technique, no application and no grit. Sorry Fawad your time is up!!

LOOOOOOOL

thats exactly what i was trying to say in my post.... glad someone agrees with me ;)

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by pakistanichamp Something is seriously wrong with you. I think you didn't watch his 150+ innings, you simply read it on some crap newspaper or you have the eyes of Waqar and Rameez. Go FAWAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually i have nothing against Sheryar Ghani and both should be in the team.

If you didn't catch his drift..it was SARCASM! lol..if i were you..i would edit my post quick lol..

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 If you didn't catch his drift..it was SARCASM! lol..if i were you..i would edit my post quick lol..

Your not suppose to tell 'em!!

[Wassixpakistani]

Both.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I havent seen Shehryar Ghani but I've read a few of his scorecards and to me it's crystal clear that Ghani has a perfect technique. No Pakistani batsman in history has had a technique as perfect as Ghani. Alam on the other hand I have seen, I saw him make 150+ as an opener and what can I say. No technique, no application and no grit. Sorry Fawad your time is up!!

Some PPers are actually falling for this!!

[fawad_wellwisher]

Javed Miandad had an ave. of 25 in OD cricket in the first 4 years of his career. Fawad has really given a raw deal in terms of not being sent out to bat at his normal position.

[mmkextreme_1]

Originally Posted by fawad_wellwisher Javed Miandad had an ave. of 25 in OD cricket in the first 4 years of his career. Fawad has really given a raw deal in terms of not being sent out to bat at his normal position.

damn i didn't know that...interesting post..Fawad Alam is good..just needs to be given a chance that is all..Inshallah he will preform..the guy has the "street attitude" and determination to play..I say Younis to give the kid support..like he did with that signed cricket bowl..

[AZ]

Originally Posted by fawad_wellwisher Javed Miandad had an ave. of 25 in OD cricket in the first 4 years of his career. Fawad has really given a raw deal in terms of not being sent out to bat at his normal position.

if true, that is a very interesting stat to remember...especially for those "drop X, Y and Z' threads

[shane]

Pakistan actually has a promising pool of youngsters in their current squad (still inconsistent, but promising). There may also be others out there but there is no rush to bring them in at this stage. What Pakistan could perhaps use is another seam bowler (I understand Asif will be back but I would like to see one more to add to him and Aamer - I dont think Naved and Rao, or even Gul, will suffice).

[Mercenary]

I still havent seen Ghani play but after carefully inspecting the scorecard from the game vs Sri Lanka A, I can come to no other conclusion except that Ghani is a total waste of space sifarishi, ****** player. He has no technique and is being pushed into the team because of his connections and not his skills.

The scorecards for the last 3 innings of Khurram Manzoor show that apart from one unlucky dismissal he has the best technique in the history of cricket. I've actually seen Khurram playing but I wont let that influence me.

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by Mercenary I still havent seen Ghani play but after carefully inspecting the scorecard from the game vs Sri Lanka A, I can come to no other conclusion except that Ghani is a total waste of space sifarishi, ****** player. He has no technique and is being pushed into the team because of his connections and not his skills. The scorecards for the last 3 innings of Khurram Manzoor show that apart from one unlucky dismissal he has the best technique in the history of cricket. I've actually seen Khurram playing but I wont let that influence me.

You are in top form!!

[pakcricketfan]

Originally Posted by shane Pakistan actually has a promising pool of youngsters in their current squad (still inconsistent, but promising). There may also be others out there but there is no rush to bring them in at this stage. What Pakistan could perhaps use is another seam bowler (I understand Asif will be back but I would like to see one more to add to him and Aamer - I dont think Naved and Rao, or even Gul, will suffice).

exactly! We've got quite a few youngsters for the middle order..
Time for introducing a youngster in the bowling deptt. too.