Dropping Yousuf hard job for captain Khan?

[Ayyub]

Dropping Yousuf hard job for captain khan but making this bold step will make him hero in my eyes .,


my playing 11 :-

1.Kamran Akmal
2.Imran Nazir
3.Shoaib Malik
4.Younis khan
5.Misbah Ul Haq
6.Umar Akmal
7.Shahid Afridi
8.Rana Naved
9.Umar Gul
10.Mohammad Aamer
11.Saeed Ajmal


wat u guys think yousuf should play ??? yes or no

[AZ]

looks good...still, in foreign conditions, I trust Yousuf a lot more than I trust Misbah or Malik

[umarf76]

need tough players against india. As much as I like Nazir I believe Yousuf is a better bet with Malik opening.

Nazir over Yousuf is a more of a people's choice but not practical at this stage.

[Momo]

Originally Posted by Ayyub Dropping Yousuf hard job for captain khan but making this bold step will make him hero in my eyes

If he doesn't have the heart to do this, there's no use his leading Pakistan. Captaining an international side requires much greater resolve than this.

The same goes for dropping Malik or Mishap if he thinks that is what it takes for the team to win.

[pun500]

they wont drop a proper batsmen for a slogger... yousuf gives stability

[Momo]

Originally Posted by pun500 they wont drop a proper batsmen for a slogger... yousuf gives stability

A euphemism for stagnation, I guess.

[adarsh_bang]

why should yousuf be dropped ?? wasn't he also ersponsible for stabilising the innings yesterday????

[Ghoshtbuster]

Luckily Younis is not a hormonal 12 year old, and so will not have the urge to drop his best batsman for everyones favourite fielder.

[umarf76]

Originally Posted by adarsh_bang why should yousuf be dropped ?? wasn't he also ersponsible for stabilising the innings yesterday????

we pakistanis always go for style over substance. agree with you that yousuf played well and according to the situation yesterday.

[Couch Cricketer]

Malik average 73 in SA
MY avearges 33 in SA

Malik strike rate is not very good but thats because he had to rebuild innings after our collapses
So why do you say MY is better
The truth is in bouncy condition MY is not very good and gives catches to the slip trying to play behind the wicket.

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Couch Cricketer Malik average 73 in SA MY avearges 33 in SA Malik strike rate is not very good but thats because he had to rebuild innings after our collapses So why do you say MY is better The truth is in bouncy condition MY is not very good and gives catches to the slip trying to play behind the wicket.

example is Pak vs ireland in world cup 2007

[IAJ]

Many of the posters here look at the reputation of a player, what the player has achieved in past. Mohammad Yousuf has the best record of the players in the squad but his current form is not good.

We shall see how he plays, I wish him good luck.

[ahmed16]

Why this Yousuf hate thread? If Malik plays it will be as an opener and at the expense of Imran "more miss than hit" Nazir, period. Can't even contemplate dropping Yousuf for a tournament like this...remember form is temporary, class is permanent.

[IAJ]

Originally Posted by ahmed16 Why this Yousuf hate thread? If Malik plays it will be as an opener and at the expense of Imran "more miss than hit" Nazir, period. Can't even contemplate dropping Yousuf for a tournament like this...remember form is temporary, class is permanent.

Heard it billions of times before. What about the reflexes and age? Are they permanent?
No1 is doubting his class.

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Couch Cricketer Malik average 73 in SA MY avearges 33 in SA Malik strike rate is not very good but thats because he had to rebuild innings after our collapses So why do you say MY is better The truth is in bouncy condition MY is not very good and gives catches to the slip trying to play behind the wicket.

I find that very hard to believe, are you using his T20 WC 2007 scores?

[ahmed16]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar I find that very hard to believe, are you using his T20 WC 2007 scores?

No that is actually his ODI average in SA disregarding the T20 world cup, but its becuase of quite a few not outs. take out some of the not outs and his average is still about 46.

[AZ]

those are matches IN South Africa or just vs. South Africa?

[ahmed16]

Originally Posted by IAJ Heard it billions of times before. What about the reflexes and age? Are they permanent? No1 is doubting his class.

He is only 34, and i cant even remember when Yousuf was a half decent fielder or for that matter a good judge of a run, Yousuf has exhibited poor fielding and has run out other batsmen throughout his career. The only difference is that before his conversion, apart from Younus, Malik and Afrid, not many others could field. Now with the emrgence of Alam and Akmal, two young and v.good fielders, Yousufs the one in the ****. Fielding and fitness has never been a pre-requisite for Pak players until now, because many PP posters have taken a liking to Omar Akmal and Fawad Alam.

[ahmed16]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar those are matches IN South Africa or just vs. South Africa?

In South Africa bro, against South Africa he manages 39.82 (out of 18 matches)

[AZ]

wah re wah, Malik to player hai!

[Savak]

Wasnt MY dropped in Sri Lanka? What good did that achieve? We still lost the series.

[Khalil]

I have said this many times and I will say it again

Moyo's ODI average on the highveld is 5.

All the CT games will be played on the highveld.

Moyo struggles against the rising deliveries and he will fail again if he gets selected.

Sometimes its good to use a 'horses for courses' selection criteria

[AZ]

not when your 'horses for the courses' are named Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar not when your 'horses for the courses' are named Shoaib Malik and Misbah-ul-Haq

its nor malik or misbah ..its younus khan ,umar akmal and afridi ...mind it

[AZ]

those 3 are 100% starters anyway, dekhna yeh hai ke Haji sahab ki jaga kaun leyga

[Poison]

This is a terrible idea, you drop the best batsman in your team (Mohammad Yousuf; there is no disputing this issue), to accomodate a mediocre like Misbah ul Haq or Shoaib Malik.

Some threads.

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar those 3 are 100% starters anyway, dekhna yeh hai ke Haji sahab ki jaga kaun leyga

Malik for sure he deserves after making awesome match winning 100

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Poison This is a terrible idea, you drop the best batsman in your team (Mohammad Yousuf; there is no disputing this issue), to accomodate a mediocre like Misbah ul Haq or Shoaib Malik. Some threads.

damm how can say this

[Poison]

Yaara, think about it normally, within the temperament that all Pakistani supporters are born with. You want to play Shoaib Malik ahead of Mohammad Yousuf in a major ODI tournament, when it has been proven time and time again that Mohammad Yousuf is simply on a different galaxy altogether when it comes to batting talent.

Rational thinking man.

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Poison Yaara, think about it normally, within the temperament that all Pakistani supporters are born with. You want to play Shoaib Malik ahead of Mohammad Yousuf in a major ODI tournament, when it has been proven time and time again that Mohammad Yousuf is simply on a different galaxy altogether when it comes to batting talent. Rational thinking man.

question is how to adjust yousuf in playing 11 and drop malik despite of making 100 .

[Poison]

I say you don't drop Malik, you accomodate Yousuf by dropping Kamran back down the order, giving Nazir a rest, and opening with the Sahib and Malik

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Poison I say you don't drop Malik, you accomodate Yousuf by dropping Kamran back down the order, giving Nazir a rest, and opening with the Sahib and Malik

worst batting changes ever open with kami and imran ...

[Poison]

Afridi
Akmal
Malik
Yousuf
Younis
Misbah
Umar
Ranbo
Gul
Aamer
Ajmal

I think it looks quite exemplary.



Slight change, Malik at 3 Kami opening.

[Kray_jackson7]

took them 2 years to drop butt. they wont drop yousuf. they dont have the ...

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 took them 2 years to drop butt. they wont drop yousuf. they dont have the ...

balls

[Khalil]

Originally Posted by ahmed16 In South Africa bro, against South Africa he manages 39.82 (out of 18 matches)

Yes. Thats on the flat tracks on the coast but on the highveld where the ball bouncers he is pathetic

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Poison Yaara, think about it normally, within the temperament that all Pakistani supporters are born with. You want to play Shoaib Malik ahead of Mohammad Yousuf in a major ODI tournament, when it has been proven time and time again that Mohammad Yousuf is simply on a different galaxy altogether when it comes to batting talent. Rational thinking man.

^ no offense...but mohammad yousuf is not what he used to be..

[Poison]

You say that after seeing him play Two tests.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Momo If he doesn't have the heart to do this, there's no use his leading Pakistan. Captaining an international side requires much greater resolve than this. The same goes for dropping Malik or Mishap if he thinks that is what it takes for the team to win.

I think we already know that YK knows how to take tough decisions. Moyo and Misbah have been dropped earlier

[Momo]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I think we already know that YK knows how to take tough decisions. Moyo and Misbah have been dropped earlier

I agree. I don't think that will be a problem with YK. If he doesn't drop a player the reason would be he trusts his abilities.

[hasanb]

Yousuf I think does deserve at least a chance in the tournament proper, we cant make a rash decision so quickly, after all he is an experienced campaigner. However if he fails against a weak west indies side then I think the case for dropping him for the remaining matches will be there.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Momo I agree. I don't think that will be a problem with YK. If he doesn't drop a player the reason would be he trusts his abilities.

Exactly. In fact, let me say that no other captain would have had the guts to drop moyo so quickly.

But if moyo and misbah arent dropped, people will accuse YK of not being tough. But they fail to understand that YK might have a different strategy in mind, that warrants a different team combo.

[mindless slogging]

I think the team will stay the same as before with :iamlegend retaining his place and no place for . A warm-up is just to test the form and fitness of the players- not finalising the final XI, hence the team would have been already decided.

Anyway, I thought that Yousuf shouldn't even have played the ODI's vs Sri Lanka, but Malik didn't fill me with confidence either. Therefore someone new should have been given a role at 4.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad Exactly. In fact, let me say that no other captain would have had the guts to drop moyo so quickly. But if moyo and misbah arent dropped, people will accuse YK of not being tough. But they fail to understand that YK might have a different strategy in mind, that warrants a different team combo.

Why would misbah be dropped though, there was a case to do so a while back but currently he seems to have found himself some form. On top of that he seems to excel in south africa somehow.

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad Exactly. In fact, let me say that no other captain would have had the guts to drop moyo so quickly. But if moyo and misbah arent dropped, people will accuse YK of not being tough. But they fail to understand that YK might have a different strategy in mind, that warrants a different team combo.

Ponting, Smith, Clarke etc. The good captains will always drop players not performing.

[Ayyub]

take this tread post into 50 + and make this tread hit for me and my hard work of 15 mins for making this tread .,

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging Ponting, Smith, Clarke etc. The good captains will always drop players not performing.

I meant pakistan captains of recent times. How many times have we seen senior players getting free rides in pakistani teams?

[Rizwan25]

Why are so many people after Malik and Moyo? I like them both, they both have won us many matches and they both play exceptionaly well against india so just drop imran fluke nazir and open with Malik. I m pretty sure its not a difficult decision for younis unless he want to give nazir a last chance!! Malik will bring some stability to our opening partnership and we won't be on our toes that he could lose his wicket at any sec like fluke nazir..

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Rizwan25 Why are so many people after Malik and Moyo? I like them both, they both have won us many matches and they both play exceptionaly well against india so just drop imran fluke nazir and open with Malik. I m pretty sure its not a difficult decision for younis unless he want to give nazir a last chance!! Malik will bring some stability to our opening partnership and we won't be on our toes that he could lose his wicket at any sec like fluke nazir..

Malik against the moving new ball? I dont think so

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I meant pakistan captains of recent times. How many times have we seen senior players getting free rides in pakistani teams?

My bad. Yeah Pakistan has had very average captains of late.

Anyway Younis is out of the W.I. opener, so the thread should now be:
'Is beast enough to drop '

Or 'Is this now a redundant thread?'

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging My bad. Yeah Pakistan has had very average captains of late. Anyway Younis is out of the W.I. opener, so the thread should now be: 'Is beast enough to drop ' Or 'Is this now a redundant thread?'

my tread is pass with 50 post i m happy

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging My bad. Yeah Pakistan has had very average captains of late. Anyway Younis is out of the W.I. opener, so the thread should now be: 'Is beast enough to drop ' Or 'Is this now a redundant thread?'

I dont think he is out of the opener. He was out of the warm up game

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I dont think he is out of the opener. He was out of the warm up game

Look at this thread;

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=82946

[Cover Drive]

All Yousuf need to do is score a century and this thread will nowhere be see loll

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Cover Drive All Yousuf need to do is score a century and this thread will nowhere be see loll

thats why i made this tread maybe kuch runs marle

[Momo]

Originally Posted by Ayyub thats why i made this tread maybe kuch runs marle

A lot of straight and reverse jinxing going on these days.

[Momo]

Originally Posted by Ayyub take this tread post into 50 + and make this tread hit for me and my hard work of 15 mins for making this tread .,

So you play for your average?
:dhoni

[Rizwan25]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad Malik against the moving new ball? I dont think so

Didn't he face the new ball yesterday and scored 130?

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Rizwan25 Didn't he face the new ball yesterday and scored 130?

Against a club side?

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging Look at this thread; http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=82946

Just read it, thanks. I hope he passes the fitness test, and plays. It would be a big blow

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Rizwan25 Why are so many people after Malik and Moyo? I like them both, they both have won us many matches and they both play exceptionaly well against india so just drop imran fluke nazir and open with Malik. I m pretty sure its not a difficult decision for younis unless he want to give nazir a last chance!! Malik will bring some stability to our opening partnership and we won't be on our toes that he could lose his wicket at any sec like fluke nazir..

fluke Nazir was one of our better performers on our last tour to RSA...and Malik as opener? gimme a break, the guy struggles on desi wickets, you think he will good enough on South African tracks?!

[muzher]

Leading run-scorers from Pak's last ODI series against SA in SA:

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...67;type=series

[PapaBear]

Originally Posted by umarf76 we pakistanis always go for style over substance. agree with you that yousuf played well and according to the situation yesterday.

He took the score from 9/2 to 119/3

[Nazir_ Rules]

^^ Yep he sure did steady the innings.