"Assalam-o-Alikum Akhi..."

[MIG]

came the call from car with Saudi number plates.

The driver was a pleasant looking young chap, possibly half my age and dressed in traditional saudi garb with a small but smart looking beard.

"Wa-Alikum-Salam Akh, how can I help my brother" [Akhi and Akh are arabic for brother]

"Wen Masnaa" , he asked ? [literally translated " where is the factory"]

"Masnaa?", I asked wondering if he was looking for some factory but he clarified - not with words but with an action - the one that denotes "drink"

It then dawned on me that our fine friend wasnt looking for any factory - he was looking for a shop that sells Alcohol !

"Maa - arif", I replied politely and walked away - "kuss ummak" [wont translate this - those who know this language can judge for themselves but its a swear word] came the reply from the same lips that had uttered the greetings of a muslim...

My ears went hot but something told me that there was no point engaging this person.

You know, I have a lot of time for my Arab brothers but its things like these that make me wish that ALLAH hadnt brought me to this land.

I guess some of you will have similar experiences in the West but let me tell you it hurts when you hear it from one of your own....

I despair !

[srh]

Maa - arif? kuss ummak? Can you translate?

[MIG]

Originally Posted by srh Maa - arif? kuss ummak? Can you translate?

First one is street slang for "dunno mate", other one is close to the "mother[beep]" ....

Btw, never use the second word.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by srh Maa - arif? kuss ummak? Can you translate?

Its a terrible terrible swear word (even surprised MIG posted it in all honesty )

Lets just say its the Arabic equivalent of how Pakistani's/Indians use MC/BC (they don't translate to same meaning or word...but it is used in that sense).

[MIG]

I am so shocked by that - will remove that word but I left that in Arabic.

[GLORY OF '92]

In turkey a lot of people eat pork and drink so it is not just the Arabs.

Shameful- they think they are still good Muslims because they read Namaz even after this sort of behaviour.

[Momo]

Originally Posted by MIG First one is street slang for "dunno mate", other one is close to the "mother[beep]" .... Btw, never use the second word.

Surprisingly similar to Urdu/Punjabi!

[srh]

Originally Posted by MIG First one is street slang for "dunno mate", other one is close to the "mother[beep]" .... Btw, never use the second word.

May be you should not have walked away after saying Maa - arif? May be thats the reason he swears at you.

[AZ]

daymn! I would have had a few choice phrases for him if I was there...what an ********

[GLORY OF '92]

What's wrong with walking away?

He couldn't help him.

Sometimes things are as they seem.

[irfan]

Originally Posted by MIG I guess some of you will have similar experiences in the West but let me tell you it hurts when you hear it from one of your own.... I despair !

That's the mistake you made: considering them your own.

[Gujar]

Is Kuss Ummak same as Kussiyaawanda? My dad uses that word a lot,

[AZ]

Originally Posted by Gujar Is Kuss Ummak same as Kussiyaawanda? My dad uses that word a lot,

what language is that? it ain't Arabic

[MIG]

Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 What's wrong with walking away? He couldn't help him. Sometimes things are as they seem.

I was slightly disgusted but I did reply to him...

[GLORY OF '92]

Exactly. Most people would not even reply to such a request from another Muslim.

[Javelin]

One of the main reasons I decided to leave Saudi Arabia (I was there for a few years during my 20's), otherwise I would be sitting rotting in a Saudi jail - I came mighty close to re-arranging the facial looks of young Saudi men on a number of occasions.

They could not comprehend how a 'Pakistani' could be travelling in a car or out-and-about shopping with 'Western' women without assuming me to be their driver and/or assuming them to be 'available for the right price'.

I guess that's what happens when you get gormless morons, products of generations of in-breeding, being given lots of money/fancy cars, at a very young age, along with a sence of superiority as a result being lucky when the black stuff started oozing out of the ground.

[GLORY OF '92]

Yeah a lot of Saudis are very arrogant. They have pretty much wasted most of their oil wealth. It will be tough for them when the money runs out as they don't know the meaning of hard work.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 Yeah a lot of Saudis are very arrogant. They have pretty much wasted most of their oil wealth. It will be tough for them when the money runs out as they don't know the meaning of hard work.

Unfortunately we'll have to put up with them for a few hundred years then.

[AZ]

lol yep, that cash ain't gonna run out anytime soon

[GLORY OF '92]

They are good at wasting it so maybe 80-100 years??

[waqar_ahmad]

I have heard so many similar stories. It's a sad state of affairs, coz the arabs supposedly represent the muslims, even though most of them are arrogant buffoons.

There is a reason so many prophets were sent to the arabs

[AZ]

they will remain the most racist, backward and jaahil qaum on this planet...totally agree with waqar_ahmed's last point

[srh]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I have heard so many similar stories. It's a sad state of affairs, coz the arabs supposedly represent the muslims, even though most of them are arrogant buffoons. There is a reason so many prophets were sent to the arabs

I thought only one prophet Muhammad (sallal laho alehi wassalam) was sent to the arabs.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar they will remain the most racist, backward and jaahil qaum on this planet...totally agree with waqar_ahmed's last point

Dont be so formal yaar, call me waqar

[AZ]

ok, uncle

:younis

[Gujar]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar what language is that? it ain't Arabic

It's Punjabi.

[AZ]

ah lol, I get it now...not quite the same

[Mohsin]

Our good old Arab brothers!

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 They are good at wasting it so maybe 80-100 years??

No matter how much they waste, the issue here is the speed/volume at which they can get it out of the ground and sold.
Unfortunately, even if they double or treble their speed/volume (-which they cannot and will not do and cause havoc in the world markets. That is even if they could, which they can't), it will still take many hundreds of years before it runs out.

[hasanb]

Originally Posted by Javelin One of the main reasons I decided to leave Saudi Arabia (I was there for a few years during my 20's), otherwise I would be sitting rotting in a Saudi jail - I came mighty close to re-arranging the facial looks of young Saudi men on a number of occasions. They could not comprehend how a 'Pakistani' could be travelling in a car or out-and-about shopping with 'Western' women without assuming me to be their driver and/or assuming them to be 'available for the right price'. I guess that's what happens when you get gormless morons, products of generations of in-breeding, being given lots of money/fancy cars, at a very young age, along with a sence of superiority as a result being lucky when the black stuff started oozing out of the ground.

Absolutely correct Javelin, this very very accurately echoes my experience in many ways in Dubai. Except over there us expats outnumber them 9 to 1 so its a bit different but still...

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I have heard so many similar stories. It's a sad state of affairs, coz the arabs supposedly represent the muslims, even though most of them are arrogant buffoons. There is a reason so many prophets were sent to the arabs

What do you expect when the fella who has the title "The Guardian of the Two Holy Mosques" was famous for his lavish 'parties' before he inherited the title, and the guy he inherited it from had a messed up liver due to too much alcohol, and the guy before that......

Anyway, up until now, all the Kings have been sons of Bin Saud, i.e. the mantle has been passed from brother to brother (or half-brother). There's only one more son of Bin Saud left. After that, there could be trouble........ie. which sons' son should be next? The eldest grandson of Bin Saud or the son of the last son who was King?

[MIG]

Look I have nothing against Saudis - indeed, my best friend is a Saudi who laughs/cries at the harakaat of his own people.

I guess, i could have said Muslim instead of Saudi in my OP but that would have been a lie

[lakha84]

just google the word if you want to rewally know the meanin of "kuss ummak"

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by lakha84 just google the word if you want to rewally know the meanin of "kuss ummak"

[irfan]

Originally Posted by Gujar Is Kuss Ummak same as Kussiyaawanda? My dad uses that word a lot,

Lol, that's quite a swearword!

[AZ]

it is THE swear word in Arabic actually...MIG bhai chose the honourable path, otherwise that is a real fire starter normally

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar it is THE swear word in Arabic actually...MIG bhai chose the honourable path, otherwise that is a real fire starter normally

Yaar, I wish I hadnt opened my stupid mouth - I guess, I just wanted to convey the intensity of this mans search for booze that he was willing to swear at me like that - just because I couldnt direct him to the boozeshop!

[AZ]

Originally Posted by MIG Yaar, I wish I hadnt opened my stupid mouth - I guess, I just wanted to convey the intensity of this mans search for booze that he was willing to swear at me like that - just because I couldnt direct him to the boozeshop!

chhoro MIG bhai, you did the right thing...creating a scuffle will only end badly for us expats, these haramis will always get away with this sh!t

[irfan]

Originally Posted by MIG Yaar, I wish I hadnt opened my stupid mouth - I guess, I just wanted to convey the intensity of this mans search for booze that he was willing to swear at me like that - just because I couldnt direct him to the boozeshop!

But what made him think that you would know to ask you in the first place?

[kingusama92]

I would have smashed the guys face in if he said that too me.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by irfan But what made him think that you would know to ask you in the first place?

I guess I was in Western clothes so he assumed I would know ...

[Kray_jackson7]

it seems normal now a majority of young muslims drinking and older ones aswell. its a shame what is happening now.

You did the right thing MIG. but maybe should have punched him once

Originally Posted by Gujar Is Kuss Ummak same as Kussiyaawanda? My dad uses that word a lot,

defo heard people shouting it at indian batsmen when i was younger.

[BD-fan]

As'salamu Alaikum Akhi (MIG),
I ask permission to post part of a khutba on Sura'tul Asr (Waal Asr; innal ...) which I had heard few fridays back. It has relevance on this topic.

JAK.

[MIG]

sure go for it.

[BD-fan]

Thank you MIG. As I suspected. It is too big to post; I will break it up in to pieces.
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Audu billah himinash saitanir rajim. Bismiallah Hir Rahmanir Rahim.
“Waal Asr. Innal …. subre.”

Mostly all Muslims memorized this sura in their early age or when ever they came to Islam. This sura is a reminder we already know. It contains the most essential fundamentals of world view with which a Muslim is suppose to live with. This profound reality Allah has put in very few words, so that no Muslims lose the sight what is the life is about.

Before we go in to the sura itself we would like to see how Allah Azzawajal speaks in the Quran. And how the ancient Arabs use to speak. Now a days whey you try to get someone's attention you say, “Hey!!” You shout their name or you wave your hand or some kind of gesture to their attention. But the Arabs were very eloquent people. They didn't just have these types of calls, They used eloquent language to get everyone's attention, if the want to talk about something important, instead of saying, “What I am about to say is very important”, instead they would swear by something; they would take an oath. The oath was a means of letting the audience know what the person is about to say is something important, something that warrants their attention, they should pay heed, they should drop what ever they are doing and listen. They would swear by (not swearing in contemporary sense – for us gala gali) something (subject matter), If they swear by the tribe, then it something important about the tribe. If they swear by their father or mother then something about the family dignity etc. So when Allah Subhana watala swears in the Quran he gets attention of the people. Also in general examples of swear would be, “I swear, you better stop”, “I swear, you don't even go there”, all these expresses anger. This was in old times and even today. Another place to take an oath is when you testify in court; you are going to tell the truth, You are not going lie when you give your testimony in court. Another place you swear when people do not believe what you are saying. Student comes to the class and the teacher asks, 'where is the assignment?”; “It fell in to the stove', 'Dog ate my home work', they the teacher says, 'what do mean by Dog ate it?' and the student comes back with, "I swear the dog ate my homework," The child is saying “I swear” because the audience is not believing him.

So there are few places you take an oath which are 1) when you want to get someones' attention, 2) when you are angry 3) when you are testifying about the truth and then 4) when the audience do not believe you.

Much of these are applicable when Allah speaks in the Quran specially in this sura. The Audience is all human beings, and what Allah is about to say is something very important, something they really don't believe. Not something that they have internalized, and in turns, this has caused rage and anger of Allah, which is again the reason you swear is anger. So the wrath of Allah is manifest Subhana watala when he takes an oath in this sura begins with "wal Asr".

The common translation of Asr is "time", so Waal Asr is “I swear by time” or “I swear by the passage of time”. But the word “Asr” comes from the word Aasir "juice", Allah Azzawajal uses the word Aasir for clouds “muasirat” because that is being squeezed, that is which is drained something that is running out. There are many words in Arabic for “time” but this particular one knows that time is running out, dripping away. Draining Just like a wet cloth is squeezed and pressed water comes out. Same reason for using the word aasir for juice. Something that is squeezed out of the fruit.

So Allah swears by time that is squeezed out of all of us, that is running out of all of us. What is time to all of us? No matter if you are healthy or sick, weak or strong, child or adult, rich or poor, man or woman, black or white, no matter what country you come from, all of us are losing something at the same time. We are all losing time, something that we lose and never get back. Once it is gone it can not come back. yesterday will not return. All of us share this loss. Allah swears by time that is running away from all of us. Its being squeezed out of us. We are getting closer to our destiny. Which would be the time to go away from this dunia. We are all headed that way not one of us can reverse this or avoid their destiny.

[nabeel_1990]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad I have heard so many similar stories. It's a sad state of affairs, coz the arabs supposedly represent the muslims, even though most of them are arrogant buffoons. There is a reason so many prophets were sent to the arabs

only 4 prophets out of 124,000 were arab

[BD-fan]

Part 2: Continued

In order to explain the rest of the sura I have to give you a paragon of an image. Imagine a person are drowning and he/she is unconscious. They are not awake. What is the first thing they have to do if they have any hope of surviving this catastrophe? They have to wake up. Before we explain what other things they have to do, don't you and I realize when a person is drowning where the destruction is? It is to their left, right, up, down, surrounded. They are immersed in destruction. They are immersed in loss. Allah doesn't say human being is a loser, or the human being is losing out, Allah says, “No doubt”, by the way, for some who are in doubt they have to be reminded that there is no doubt (inna), each and every human being are at immense loss.

If you say people are in trouble then the guilt is shared. When a teacher says to the class, “Class, you guys are in trouble”, they don't feel that much in trouble (diffusion of responsibility) , but if the teacher points at one student and says you are in trouble now that sends shock waves, because now it is about me, not the entire class. Allah says Insan, each and every individual. According to ibn Abbas the word Insan comes from the word Nasia which means “to forget”: What has human being forgotten? Allah is about say. And he better remember because his time is running out. Is truly immersed Khusrin, the tanwin at the end of the word makes it grander, highlighting even you can say hyporbolizing the word. Not just saying loss but incredible loss. So each and every human being is drowned in loss. The loss is around them above them below them, They are in it. Just like the person who is drowning. This is the reality Allah depicts in the beginning of Suratul Asr. This is not just for the disbeliever, not just for the Muslims but for every human being. This is what they are faced in this dunia. Regardless of person who owns very little or abundance of wealth, male-female every one is doomed and immersed in loss. This is a very strong statement from Allah. This is a kind of statement that kinda makes you want to say, “how do you get out of this situation?” It gives you a sense of urgency, especially when Allah took an oath in the beginning by time that is dripping away.

So the first condition for those who are drowning and asleep is they have to wake up. Not just wake and think this is a nightmare but think and realize that this is actually happening. Cause if they think this is a dream then they are not going to do anything. So have to wake up and really really believe.

Allah gives an exception in suratul Asr, "illal ladhina aamanu". With the exception of those who came to believe, who came to realize. Now of course believing includes believing in Allah, his books, his messengers, his angles, judgment day, hell and heaven etc. all these but in the context of this sura what is that people need to believe? Think about that ... people need to believe is their time is running out and they themselves are immersed in loss, alone by themselves. That is what they have to believe. Imagine a person woke up, realizes and believes that they are in loss, what would they do? Think about the drowning person. Doesn't matter if they know how to swim or not they will try to do anything to get out of that, flap arms, trying to hold on to anything that they can grasp and climb high.

In other words, once you believe you are in trouble it necessarily leads to action. It is a logical consequence. If we believe we are in a building which is on fire, if we truly believe it, then there is a necessary consequence that you will run out or try to get out. Now Allah is adding not just believe but do action Amilus Salehat, Amil is a conscious act, something you thought about it and did, Different than fi'l it just happened, For example while you walk you take steps. You don't think of taking every steps, it just happens. A'mal is something when you thought about it and made a conscious decisions and took an action. Now what kind of Amal? Allah says As salihat, which is an adjective in its form, what “Soel” illustrates is take a wrong and make it right. In other words, these people realize something wrong and they have to act on to make it right. They have to get out of the water basically. They have to help themselves.

So imagine you and I we flap away and we get to the surface, we take a little breath of an air and then we get dragged right back down. We got pulled back down inside the water. Why did we got back in the water? You look down and on your feet there is a chain attached to your ankle and you can't take it off. You are chained to your wife, spouse, father, mother, children, relatives, friends. And they are asleep. In their dream they sitting in a mansion, all have great jobs, life is good, everything is nice. If you want to save yourself, just to save yourself what do you have to do?

You have to wake them up.

[BD-fan]

Part 3; continued

And you have make them realize that it is not just you drowning but they are also drowning. Its not like you are safer than they are, its not like by the way, you are drowning and I am not, no no no, we are all in the same boat. We all need help. We need to help each other so that we can survive this tremendous loss. So now your family is really enjoying their sleep, and they push you away, and say, “I don't need your help”. They don't want to wake up in the ugly reality. So they figure this is a nightmare (drowning) and that's reality (dunia). You try to wake them up and they push you. What you say? “Well, I never liked you any way!! forget you.” You can't do that. If you want to save yourself there is no other way other than waking them up. For your own salvation you have to wake them up. You don't have a choice here. So you do whatever you can. To make them realize the reality. Yes, in fact we all drowning and to get out of this mess we all have to wake up and take action. We have to help each other.

What does Allah say after amilus salihati? They believed, they did something, they acted righteously, they enjoyed the truth on each other, they encouraged each other to remain committed to the truth. Now that two of you are awake, you are both reaching the surface, but you again get dragged down because there are others who are chained and asleep, others who don't want to wake up. This cycle continues. And it is very possible you get tired of it. I don't want to wake people up any more. I don't want to keep pushing and trying to reach for the surface any more. I am fed up with these people who don't want to wake up. I am exhausted This would mean you have a lack consistency. You are not as committed to trying to save YOURSELF. You gave up.

So what is the final ingredient you need if you really want to save yourself? You need commitment, you need consistency, perseverance, you need to patient with the circumstances. In other words, watawa saubus sabre. So you enjoy truth among each other and not give up and there is still work to do.

Allah Azzawajal, in few words basically describes what a Muslims life should be. Just few words.

We are all at a loss and the only way to get out of it realize the sense of urgency. We say we will wake after this Ramadan, after Hajj, after my kids get married. But Allah is saying there is no time. Each and every individual are in trouble. We all have to think about ourselves. But can't save ourselves because we are tied to others which you can not untie. The first people we have to be concerned is our immediate family. By Allah, giving a khutba to strangers is easy, or talking to people I do not know, is easy. Giving speeches to my uncle, brother is difficult. Giving this reminder, you try tell your spouse I heard this khutba today, sit down I need 20 minutes of your time, I heard this about Suratul Asr, you think he/she would listen, "I don't have time right now, I'd rather do something more important (to them - usually for dunia)". The most difficult to give the message is to those who you are chained to. That's why it takes sabre. That's why it is so hard not an easy task. It not like you can hand a flier, “by the way, we are at a loss. See ya”. Doesn't work like that.

Allah didn't say they informed people about the truth, sent an email about the truth. They sent a link to a video about the truth. You have to enjoy to do whatever it takes to get the truth in to someone. If it is not work, then it is the action, if it is not action then company. Do something to get the truth to this person (immediate relatives first). Whatever works and people work in different ways. You can't just say I did my job and I told them. Not enough. The messenger of Allah (PBUH) had been talking to the same bunch of people for a decade, can you think about that? when they were already annoyed after a month. They don't want to hear him but he continues to deliver the message years after year to the same people. Not only they stopped listening to him, they started to insult him, beat up those who listened, and finally tried to kill him (PBUH), yet he patiently keeps delivering the message. That is the Sunnah. They were non-Muslims and now we can't even have the time for our Muslim brothers/sisters our own family members. We have to have that patience. This is one of the most fundamentals realities of our deen. For all of us, the reality of today is the vast majority of our families are not religious. Not committed to the deen. If you are committed to the deen then for most of you, you are the laughing stock for your cousins. When get together the reaction is here comes the Mollah. You are an object of ridicule because you take your religion a little more seriously than others.

The question is who is asked to deliver the message to them with patience? With genuine concern? That concern begins with yourself and then extends to them because you are chained.

[BD-fan]

Part 4: Continued

And you have make them realize that it is not just you drowning but they are also drowning. Its not like you are safer than they are, its not like by the way, you are drowning and I am not, no no no, we are all in the same boat. We all need help. We need to help each other so that we can survive this tremendous loss. So now your family is really enjoying their sleep, and they push you away, and say, “I don't need your help”. They don't want to wake up in the ugly reality. So they figure this is a nightmare (drowning) and that's reality (dunia). You try to wake them up and they push you. What you say? “Well, I never liked you any way!! forget you.” You can't do that. If you want to save yourself there is no other way other than waking them up. For your own salvation you have to wake them up. You don't have a choice here. So you do whatever you can. To make them realize the reality. Yes, in fact we all drowning and to get out of this mess we all have to wake up and take action. We have to help each other.

What does Allah say after amilus salihati? They believed, they did something, they acted righteously, they enjoyed the truth on each other, they encouraged each other to remain committed to the truth. Now that two of you are awake, you are both reaching the surface, but you again get dragged down because there are others who are chained and asleep, others who don't want to wake up. This cycle continues. And it is very possible you get tired of it. I don't want to wake people up any more. I don't want to keep pushing and trying to reach for the surface any more. I am fed up with these people who don't want to wake up. I am exhausted This would mean you have a lack consistency. You are not as committed to trying to save YOURSELF. You gave up.

So what is the final ingredient you need if you really want to save yourself? You need commitment, you need consistency, perseverance, you need to patient with the circumstances. In other words, watawa saubus sabre. So you enjoy truth among each other and not give up and there is still work to do.

Allah Azzawajal, in few words basically describes what a Muslims life should be. Just few words.

We are all at a loss and the only way to get out of it realize the sense of urgency. We say we will wake after this Ramadan, after Hajj, after my kids get married. But Allah is saying there is no time. Each and every individual are in trouble. We all have to think about ourselves. But can't save ourselves because we are tied to others which you can not untie. The first people we have to be concerned is our immediate family. By Allah, giving a khutba to strangers is easy, or talking to people I do not know, is easy. Giving speeches to my uncle, brother is difficult. Giving this reminder, you try tell your spouse I heard this khutba today, sit down I need 20 minutes of your time, I heard this about Suratul Asr, you think he/she would listen, "I don't have time right now, I'd rather do something more important (to them - usually for dunia)". The most difficult to give the message is to those who you are chained to. That's why it takes sabre. That's why it is so hard not an easy task. It not like you can hand a flier, “by the way, we are at a loss. See ya”. Doesn't work like that.

Allah didn't say they informed people about the truth, sent an email about the truth. They sent a link to a video about the truth. You have to enjoy to do whatever it takes to get the truth in to someone. If it is not work, then it is the action, if it is not action then company. Do something to get the truth to this person (immediate relatives first). Whatever works and people work in different ways. You can't just say I did my job and I told them. Not enough. The messenger of Allah (PBUH) had been talking to the same bunch of people for a decade, can you think about that? when they were already annoyed after a month. They don't want to hear him but he continues to deliver the message years after year to the same people. Not only they stopped listening to him, they started to insult him, beat up those who listened, and finally tried to kill him (PBUH), yet he patiently keeps delivering the message. That is the Sunnah. They were non-Muslims and now we can't even have the time for our Muslim brothers/sisters our own family members. We have to have that patience. This is one of the most fundamentals realities of our deen. For all of us, the reality of today is the vast majority of our families are not religious. Not committed to the deen. If you are committed to the deen then for most of you, you are the laughing stock for your cousins. When get together the reaction is here comes the Mollah. You are an object of ridicule because you take your religion a little more seriously than others.

The question is who is asked to deliver the message to them with patience? With genuine concern? That concern begins with yourself and then extends to them because you are chained.
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So the basic point for MIG is, you have to remain patient and continue to guide people (if you have the chance) from wrong to right. There lies your salvation.

[Salazar]

That was a pretty long post to say something.................

[srh]

Originally Posted by nabeel_1990 only 4 prophets out of 124,000 were arab

I thought only 1 prophet was arab and thats prophet Muhammad (sallal laho alehee wasallam)?

[nabeel_1990]

Originally Posted by srh I thought only 1 prophet was arab and thats prophet Muhammad (sallal laho alehee wasallam)?

nope, there was prophet saleh, shoaib and another prophet (pbut) who i can't remember right now.

[nabeel_1990]

the third prophet was prophet hud

[BD-fan]

Originally Posted by Salazar That was a pretty long post to say something.................

It is a whole Khutba. Both I and the Imam would get barakah if you read the posts and implement in your life. JAK.

[Salazar]

Originally Posted by BD-fan It is a whole Khutba. Both I and the Imam would get barakah if you read the posts and implement in your life. JAK.

Thank you for sharing. It was pretty insightful.

[Cover Drive]

Originally Posted by MIG I guess I was in Western clothes so he assumed I would know ...

I bet if someone was wearing Lungi that same Arab would have said OP offensive word to him.

These Saudi just go Bahrain to do such things as well as other things (don't really want to name all of them as it hurts me) which aren't allowed and/or they don't have access to in Saudi Arabia.

MIG bhai you should have taken him to an Imam or (Islamic Police [Forgot the name of them can't remember the term right now ]) then he would have told him everything..loll

[MIG]

Jazak ALLAH BD Fan - you have opened my eyes not in this one incident but something that effects my life as well.

[Wassixpakistani]

MIG , You could have gave him the directions to a Masjid .

[BD-fan]

Originally Posted by MIG Jazak ALLAH BD Fan - you have opened my eyes not in this one incident but something that effects my life as well.

I am chained to you and others (at PP) as well. Time to time, you reminded me what this life is really about; priorities, through your actions and posts. Please keep reminding me (and others) when you have a chance so that we all can get to the surface together. Alone, no one can get there. That is why brotherhood is so important in our belief. May Allah shower mercy and blessing to brother Nauman Khan from Virginia (the Guest speaker - Imam) for sharing his knowledge with all of us.

[mamoo gogo]

Originally Posted by BD-fan May Allah shower mercy and blessing to brother Nauman Khan from Virginia (the Guest speaker - Imam) for sharing his knowledge with all of us.

Noman Ali Khan?

[BD-fan]

Originally Posted by mamoo gogo Noman Ali Khan?

I am not sure he has Ali or not but he is originally from Pakistan but brought up in States. Married and have two beautiful daughters.

He is in his mid 30s, but Mashallah he has extensive knowledge in Arabic Language (Quranic Arabic) and origin of arabic words. Very well educated (Masters). Loves to play Basketball. Very active in Dawah and teaching Arabic language to Muslim communities.

[Saudi]

Originally Posted by Cover Drive I bet if someone was wearing Lungi that same Arab would have said OP offensive word to him. These Saudi just go Bahrain to do such things as well as other things (don't really want to name all of them as it hurts me) which aren't allowed and/or they don't have access to in Saudi Arabia. MIG bhai you should have taken him to an Imam or (Islamic Police [Forgot the name of them can't remember the term right now ]) then he would have told him everything..loll

I think Mutawwa is the term you are looking for.

[Cover Drive]

Originally Posted by Saudi I think Mutawwa is the term you are looking for.

Yeahh thanks for reminding me. I wasn't quite sure what are they called I know Shurta is a regular police...

[Cheguvera]

I have to really give it all you non-arabs living in the arab lands for putting up with this kind of abuse, mal-treatment and discrimination...the ordeal for the laborers is profoundly worse...

A lot of us in the West, particularly North America, who are used to enjoying certain rights, would find it impossible to make any sort of adjustment to system in place in these arab lands...

I got into a mild argument at dubai airport over lack of customer service and I was threatened with detention and harrassed endlessly...I just can't imagine spending more then a day in these confines...

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by Cheguvera A lot of us in the West, particularly North America, who are used to enjoying certain rights, would find it impossible to make any sort of adjustment to system in place in these arab lands.....

Most of my working colleagues were Americans or Brits, when I used to work in Saudi.
I can assure you that for my American friends it was not impossible at all - I think the very large $ cheques every month together with the 60+ days of annual leave did the trick.

[Khalil]

Arabs are flooding South African casinos and they drink like Hershelle Gibbs and they always seen hanging around with white prostitutes. They are so racist that they will not even go close to black or asian prostitutes.

Many people tell me that I have no right to condemn or judge these disgusting Arabs as only God can judge.

Arabs consider themselves to be the custodian of Islam and the Kaaba and because of this they should behave like muslims