'Dhoni's honeymoon is over' [Merged]

[Khurram]

http://www.cricinfo.com/page2/content/story/427507.html

[Ayyub]

3 years long honeymoon lolx

[BD-fan]

If he renews his vows, he can go for a second honeymoon. or third or forth. no?

[zaid65]

He always seems like more interested in the " real honeymoon" . Good for him and bad for his partner.

[luvthegame]

IPL and all the AD money is destroying indian cricket. Yet the BCCI is more busy in isolating Pakistan.

Pakistan is on the rise and no one can deny them anything now.

[Serendipity]

there is natural justice after all

[AZ]

honeymoon chhoro, abh to divorce tak baat aagayi hai...did nobody read Viru's latest comments?

[waqar_ahmad]

Yes, the honeymoon is over, and the relationships isnt good. Ghambir said it himself, that he is feeling insecure

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar honeymoon chhoro, abh to divorce tak baat aagayi hai...did nobody read Viru's latest comments?

dhoni ki wife is saying she need new husband in the face of gambhir or yuvi

[waqar_ahmad]

CrinciIndia trashes the indian team. I think indian fans need to wake up, smell the cofee, adn try to get a one way ticket out of lalaland

Sambit Bal: Yes. His honeymoon is clearly over. He had a magic run for a year, but once the team starts losing, and the world turns against him, he will face the true test of character
17:12


Sambit Bal: And that has now begun.

DileepPremachandran:

They are not the No.1 side in the world, Anshul, it's as simple as that. These rankings are pretty pointless. Ultimately, all that matters is how you perform in the big events. India have not done that since the 2003 World Cup.
17:13


Sambit Bal: Being ranked number 1 isn't the same as really being the number 1.

DileepPremachandran: I don't think there's an attitude problem at all. It's just that the team is not as good as the fans and the Indian media make them out to be. To be the best, you have to win things.


OUCH

[AZ]

even these 'experts' are so pathetic...Zee News has more class than these 2

[waqar_ahmad]

Yaar its not about class, its about telling this pathetic team where it really belongs.

An overhyped team, with a board that focuses on an over hyped glamorous soap opera like league.

They have described it really well

[Khurram]

Team playing less cricket off all other team doing well. Do we need as much cricket as India ?

[truth]

I do not think Dhoni honeymoon or any kind of moon is over ............. it was one match which they lost and the second match against Aussie on a flat track their bowling was decent and who knows wht would hve happened if India would hve chased .........................

Pakistan are doing well with some luck going on their way they do not have any big fighters on their way only one was India they defated them but lost to the next big fighting team Aussie ................... lets see wht will happen in Final against Aus if they go thro .... if not its Pakistan Cup ...............

I am sure Pak will make it to Final as they are lucky enough to face a depleted NZ side ............ if Aus makes through the finals then it will be 60/40 Aussie favour if not just give the cup to Pakistan .....

[iafzal]

Real marriage begins now and it is looking ugly and I am not talking about the wife

[AZ]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad Yaar its not about class, its about telling this pathetic team where it really belongs. An overhyped team, with a board that focuses on an over hyped glamorous soap opera like league. They have described it really well

you're right mate, but these 2 clowns are part of the machinery that is the media and hence are also responsible for overhyping the Indian team...kicking it when it's down is just so pathetic

[mindless slogging]

There is a 'Live chat' below the headline aswell so he can start seeing someone else immediately.

[truth]

In a mariage if one day you have a fight ...... and you apply divorce for that ............

then yes Dhoni honey moon period is over .....

[Nazir_ Rules]

Originally Posted by luvthegame IPL and all the AD money is destroying indian cricket. Yet the BCCI is more busy in isolating Pakistan. Pakistan is on the rise and no one can deny them anything now.

YEp you got that right! Mashallah! Pakistan Zindabad!

[najam2007]

after what happened to pkaistani team today the way they fought till the last ball...I am now ready to put any money on the table for pakistan green shirts to be the new champs ! InshaAllah

GOOD LUCK PAKISTAN !!!!!!

[Nazir_ Rules]

Originally Posted by najam2007 after what happened to pkaistani team today the way they fought till the last ball...I am now ready to put any money on the table for pakistan green shirts to be the new champs ! InshaAllah GOOD LUCK PAKISTAN !!!!!!

Inshallah pakistan will win!

[BD-fan]

What lame excuses.

Dhoni:

"We had two first-choice fast bowlers and two spinners and a reserve bowler in Abhishek Nayar. So, I thought if I could put in a couple of good overs that would be the way to go and the proper bowlers would be left to do the job at the end."

1) Looks like Dhoni thinks he is a better option than Raina.

2) With the top order gone and past outings he thought WI would finish all their 50 overs? What captain's instinct and insight. (since he watned the proper bowlers to finish in the end) wow!!

3) Good over = couple of fours in the first two balls. The net bowling he is doing, are they against Under 17 kids?

The head just gets bigger and bigger since he is still in a denial mode.
http://www.cricinfo.com/iccct2009/co...ry/427599.html

[pun500]

Originally Posted by BD-fan What lame excuses. Dhoni: 1) Looks like Dhoni thinks he is a better option than Raina. 2) With the top order gone and past outings he thought WI would finish all their 50 overs? What captain's instinct and insight. (since he watned the proper bowlers to finish in the end) wow!! 3) Good over = couple of fours in the first two balls. The net bowling he is doing, are they against Under 17 kids? The head just gets bigger and bigger since he is still in a denial mode. http://www.cricinfo.com/iccct2009/co...ry/427599.html

1-- on that track yes ...raina is a spinner
2-- Wi batted 47 overs against aus which is a much better attack
3-- he never claimed he was a fantastic bowler and that he wanted to put in a couple of good overs

he wanted to use the 5th bowlers quota somewhat ....also after that wicket he immediately removed nayar and himself and brought in the proper bowlers

whats so wrong with that??

[BD-fan]

Originally Posted by pun500 1-- on that track yes ...raina is a spinner 2-- Wi batted 47 overs against aus which is a much better attack 3-- he never claimed he was a fantastic bowler and that he wanted to put in a couple of good overs

1. Dhoni was wrong (bringing himself instead of giving it to Raina).

2. WI batted second, with top order contributing in the Australian match. Here batting first, with top order already gone. Exposed middle order with ball talking, seems like he took the foot of the peddel.

3. Good overs he did put in (or not). Now he can claim, "I have a Intl wicket as well. I must be good. wow!! Where is the spot light? I am here."

Originally Posted by pun500 he wanted to use the 5th bowlers quota somewhat ....also after that wicket he immediately removed nayar and himself and brought in the proper bowlers whats so wrong with that??

i think it better not to defend his bad decisions. Accept and move on. The more you try the more heat I will bring. When the top order is gone and you haven't used your main spinners, how can you justify as a captain bringing yourself in and leave your main duty? That is even at the 17th over????

If you don't want to keep that is fine give the gloves to Kartik. No problem. You are not shying away from any thing that way. But when you pick up the ball in the 17th over, it kinda shows few things I have already mentioned in my previous posts.

Certainly 17 - 20 overs are not the dead middle overs when the 5th bowlers operate. More like 25 to 35. Without giving a chance to your main spinners even for few overs, you bring yourself?

My beef is I didn't expect this from him. I thought he had class more than anyone in the team. He is the captain and sets the tone. This doesn't sit well with the fans and should not sit well with Raina, Rohit, Pathan and others.

[pun500]

Originally Posted by BD-fan 1. Dhoni was wrong (bringing himself instead of giving it to Raina). 2. WI batted second, with top order contributing in the Australian match. Here batting first, with top order already gone. Exposed middle order with ball talking, seems like he took the foot of the peddel. 3. Good overs he did put in (or not). Now he can claim, "I have a Intl wicket as well. I must be good. wow!! Where is the spot light? I am here." i think it better not to defend his bad decisions. Accept and move on. The more you try the more heat I will bring. When the top order is gone and you haven't used your main spinners, how can you justify as a captain bringing yourself in and leave your main duty? That is even at the 17th over???? If you don't want to keep that is fine give the gloves to Kartik. No problem. You are not shying away from any thing that way. But when you pick up the ball in the 17th over, it kinda shows few things I have already mentioned in my previous posts. Certainly 17 - 20 overs are not the dead middle overs when the 5th bowlers operate. More like 25 to 35. Without giving a chance to your main spinners even for few overs, you bring yourself? My beef is I didn't expect this from him. I thought he had class more than anyone in the team. He is the captain and sets the tone. This doesn't sit well with the fans and should not sit well with Raina, Rohit, Pathan and others.

1-- again did you see the seam movement on that track ...dhoni is a medium pacer raina is a spinner

2-- have you actually managed to see the performance of indian bowlers throughout this tourney???

3-- he replied to what wasasked of him

[Saj]

I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was Pakistan who were landing at Karachi airport tomorrow instead of the Indians going home ?

Sack Younis
Yousuf should retire
Imran Nazir should never play for Pakistan again
End of the road for Misbah
Bring back Shoaib Akhtar
Asif shouldnt have been there
Its all Yawar Saeed's fault
Inti should call it a day
Malik should be dropped forever

??

[JeeraBlade]

Originally Posted by Saj End of the road for Misbah Asif shouldnt have been there - If he was not going to be played. Inti should call it a day Malik should be dropped forever ??

Even if they won the trophy, I would have still wanted above to happen.

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Saj I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was Pakistan who were landing at Karachi airport tomorrow instead of the Indians going home ? Sack Younis Yousuf should retire Imran Nazir should never play for Pakistan again End of the road for Misbah Bring back Shoaib Akhtar Asif shouldnt have been there Its all Yawar Saeed's fault Inti should call it a day Malik should be dropped forever ??

A few of those sound tempting even now.

[umarf76]

Why has this guy been voted by the ICC to lead the one day and test team??

I think the guy should be Sangarkara for tests!

One day captain should probably be ponting..

[pun500]

pure jealousy

for the past 1 year india has the best record in odis and their record in tests is also good ( i dont think we have lost a test under dhoni)

so it is fair to say he has been the best captain by far

sanga captained after dhoni and till now has captained only against pak

dhoni did it against aus , nz with both resulting in series wins

[umarf76]

no jealousy mate. they have exited in the first round of 3 of the last 4 major tournaments. cant be that inspirational a leader.

[pun500]

Originally Posted by umarf76 no jealousy mate. they have exited in the first round of 3 of the last 4 major tournaments. cant be that inspirational a leader.

t20 and CT what else???

also the selection is for performance throughout the year

[aabbasi]

Dhoni is an average captain... He has had plenty of luck on his side... The only reason his stupid decisions have not come to the limelight, because he has been winning.


Once he loses, then you will see how is captaincy is dissected.

[ace_allrounder]

Originally Posted by pun500 t20 and CT what else??? also the selection is for performance throughout the year

Is winning against West Indies in an ODI series called "performance throughout the year?"
Dhoni is DEFINITELY over-rated and as for these awards.They are a FARCE!I dont take them seriously,the same way I dont take IPL and ICL seriously.

IPL,ICL and ICC awards have one thing in common.Crappy glitz and glamour and involves mostly Indian,English and Australian players.

[Afridi_Fan]

No, he is not over-rated in my books.

[rash]

Very much overated, nothing special about him, ponting should have bin made odi captain, smith test captain and afridi t20 captain

[pun500]

Originally Posted by ace_allrounder Is winning against West Indies in an ODI series called "performance throughout the year?" Dhoni is DEFINITELY over-rated and as for these awards.They are a FARCE!I dont take them seriously,the same way I dont take IPL and ICL seriously. IPL,ICL and ICC awards have one thing in common.Crappy glitz and glamour and involves mostly Indian,English and Australian players.

no it includes wins against nz, lanka (twice), compaq cup, cb series, england,wi

5-6 series wins back to back that is performance throughout the year

[Raz]

As a captain he's certainly one of the best in world cricket. In fact I think he's the most astute of all current captains. A large part of India's success has to be attributed to him.

I still cannot ever forgive him for dropping Yusuf Pathan, nor for totally curbing his aggressive, manic batting and transforming himself into a selfish batsman, who plays purely for his average.

[pun500]

Originally Posted by rash Very much overated, nothing special about him, ponting should have bin made odi captain, smith test captain and afridi t20 captain

smith has lost test series at home and ponting has lost ashes, sa series at home and aussies had one of their worst odi years under ponting ( remember quite a few victorious matches were captained by clarke)

dhoni has not lost a single test match he has captained

afridi t20 captain on the basis of what 1 t20 match that he has captained

shows how much you really know!!

[Ayyub]

Dhoni is excellent captain but it may sound filmy but i see in india team there is groupism because sehwaq and dhoni fight and sehwaq making statement that gambhir is our future cap , gambhir feeling insure under dhoni leadership something is cooking in the side .

[pun500]

Originally Posted by Raz As a captain he's certainly one of the best in world cricket. In fact I think he's the most astute of all current captains. A large part of India's success has to be attributed to him. I still cannot ever forgive him for dropping Yusuf Pathan, nor for totally curbing his aggressive, manic batting and transforming himself into a selfish batsman, who plays purely for his average.

yusuf is a t20 slogger ... dhoni ver 2 is more productive for our team but looking at your avatar i know this wont make sense to you

[Ayyub]

Originally Posted by pun500 yusuf is a t20 slogger ... dhoni ver 2 is more productive for our team but looking at your avatar i know this wont make sense to you

Yousuf play well in IPL but fails in International cricket and he has half ducks in his 31 matches lol

[IAJ]

He is probably not over-rated. He is a good captain and a lucky captain. Combine these two elements and you will understand why he was voted by the ICC.

He is good coz he takes brave decisions and he is lucky coz he has some very good batsmen in his team. I don't know how good the 83 team of India was, but since 1990s I think the current team (wana include ganguly and kumble as well in this team) is the best India has had. When you have good players, your captaincy will be easy.

But as a batsman he has struggled the last year or so.

[ace_allrounder]

Originally Posted by pun500 no it includes wins against nz, lanka (twice), compaq cup, cb series, england,wi 5-6 series wins back to back that is performance throughout the year

Okay.

[pun500]

Originally Posted by Ayyub Yousuf play well in IPL but fails in International cricket and he has half ducks in his 31 matches lol

i agree ... its just that the poster Raz was singing praises of yusuf ... i believe he is a limited player and good only for t20's

and i said considering raz's avtar as afridi i am sure he wouldnt understand the concept of consistency over sixer hitting

[pun500]

Originally Posted by IAJ He is probably not over-rated. He is a good captain and a lucky captain. Combine these two elements and you will understand why he was voted by the ICC. He is good coz he takes brave decisions and he is lucky coz he has some very good batsmen in his team. I don't know how good the 83 team of India was, but since 1990s I think the current team (wana include ganguly and kumble as well in this team) is the best India has had. When you have good players, your captaincy will be easy. But as a batsman he has struggled the last year or so.

thats the case with every captain ...right?? he has to have luck on his side with decent players

i disagree with his batting struggling bit ....

take a look at stats by JB in the other thread he has been avg around 60 in odis and 55 in tests

he has lost his flair of hitting but the runs are coming...

[LG]

Originally Posted by Saj I wonder what the reaction would have been if it was Pakistan who were landing at Karachi airport tomorrow instead of the Indians going home ? Sack Younis Yousuf should retire Imran Nazir should never play for Pakistan again End of the road for Misbah Bring back Shoaib Akhtar Asif shouldnt have been there Its all Yawar Saeed's fault Inti should call it a day Malik should be dropped forever ??

So many people are more than ready to overreact.

[IAJ]

Originally Posted by pun500 thats the case with every captain ...right?? he has to have luck on his side with decent players i disagree with his batting struggling bit .... take a look at stats by JB in the other thread he has been avg around 60 in odis and 55 in tests he has lost his flair of hitting but the runs are coming...

Yes i am fully aware of his batting averages, but I mean that he isn't that big hitting guy anymore (that is what i meant with his batting struggles, though it was very imprecise using this world)