I stand by YK. Who's with me? [Merged]

[GLORY OF '92]

It's easy to hate YK now but I back him. He will come good and he is the man to lead us in the world cup.

[Eagle Eyes]

I stand by YK.

[Ayyub]

i m wid u brother YK Rocks

[Khurram]

Me Me Me

[insaftak]

YK is a very good captain, but he needs to get his batting fixed, we can't afford to have our #3 averaging 13 runs in his last 10 games

[Mohsin]

Go Younus!

[asifp]

Sorry I dont. HE is a good man but terrible captain.

We could have been in a situation where we could have been all out without using the powerplay.

[chacha kashmiri]

is there any other option

[Kray_jackson7]

He isnt what we want from our captain. he didnt really motivate the team. Dropped a siter. batted poorly. time he had a little rest i think.

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by asifp Sorry I dont. HE is a good man but terrible captain. We could have been in a situation where we could have been all out without using the powerplay.

its on field players to decide to take PP

[ahsan17]

He needs to stop playing ODIs. Be a test match specialist. He is ordinary at best in ODIs, and only once in a bluemoon plays a good innings.

[eViLrAcEr]

... simply no replacement for him at this stage..he just needs to work a bit on his batting techniques, remember more shots that he can play

as a captain, he is brilliant, better than any captain since probably Wasim Akram (who, btw, won us many tournaments and finalists in WC 99, which is not bad at all)

[CrickFan]

I will decide once you let me know when was the last time Yunis scored a half century against a Top side when it actually mattered . Unfortunately there is no other option ..The vice captain after spending more than a decade in Int Cricket still cannot adapt to the match situation

[IM NOT YOU]

1) 20 off 33 including 5 runs in 5 overs parnership on a 330+ pitch against india that nearly cost us the match = FAIL

2) 18 off 49 against australia = FAIL

3) 15 off 33 on a 270 + track = FAIL

4) average of 24.7 after 16 ODIs in 2009 = FAIL

5) playing himself despite calling himself "unfit" = FAIL

6) using the wrong bowlers agaisnt teh power play = FAIL

7) misuse of batting powerplay (complete and utter neglect of batting powerplay) game after game = FAIL

8) crucial dropped catch in semi final of champions trophy after an average of 17.5 in the tournament including a high score of 20 = FAIL.




sorry. not me.

[P4K1 #1]

I agree... YK will come good.. then when he does good.. everyone will be YK is the man etc.. so have faith in him guys..

[Disco_Lemonade]

i stand with the captain but not the batsman.

[skassoc48]

The difference is in this match is the captain performance. Vettori made 44, took 3 wickets and took his batting power play when 4 down and set batsman. Younis Khan made minimal runs, DROPPED that catch and crucially took his power play when 8 down, after afridi, akmal and yousuf dismessed.

A far more talented team was defeated by a more astute captaincy.

Any yes Vettori was also injured!!!

[Wassixpakistani]

He's the best man to handle this Pak team at the moment . Like hey people , this side was heading towards nowhere before Yk took over and after that Pak has a T20 WC title and had reached the Semi-finals of the CT .

[JAV12341]

no i think your wrong..... i would drop him bring in a new face like ahmed shezad and make afridi the captain thats the way forward way of thinking..... and i also think afridi will always encourage his players to play postive cricket which we didn't seem to do todday.....so i will back afridi to captain us in the 2011 world cup......

[WAZ&WAQ]

YK did a pretty good job!

[ahsan17]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU 1) 20 off 33 including 5 runs in 5 overs parnership on a 330+ pitch against india that nearly cost us the match = FAIL 2) 18 off 49 against australia = FAIL 3) 15 off 33 on a 270 + track = FAIL 4) average of 24.7 after 16 ODIs in 2009 = FAIL 5) playing himself despite calling himself "unfit" = FAIL 6) using the wrong bowlers agaisnt teh power play = FAIL 7) misuse of batting powerplay (complete and utter neglect of batting powerplay) game after game = FAIL 8) crucial dropped catch in semi final of champions trophy after an average of 17.5 in the tournament including a high score of 20 = FAIL. sorry. not me.

Spot on. An ordinary ODI player, who cost us semi final today with that drop catch. NZ didn't have much batting after that wicket. Make Afridi ODI captain and we need a new young talent instead of him.

[Crucifier]

Originally Posted by GLORY OF '92 It's easy to hate YK now but I back him. He will come good and he is the man to lead us in the world cup.

Are you serious? YK did not "LEAD" us in the WC. That was done by Afridi and Gul. YK hasn't produced a meaningful innings in over 20 odd games I reckon so he's time is almost up.

Someon get the scissors, because he's about to be cut.

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by asifp Sorry I dont. HE is a good man but terrible captain. We could have been in a situation where we could have been all out without using the powerplay.

YK is our best captain.

The reason you give lies the blame on the shoulder of the batsmen. Agree PPlay should be taken earlier, but if you KNOW it will be taken in the last 5 overs, what you do is to make sure you stay there till that time as a batsman. Clearly, :naved all disagree.

We criticise alot, but maybe he would have stayed in till the PPlay.

[shane]

There is no-one who comes close to being able to replace Younis. He is the best captain Pakistan has had for a long time and he must continue.

[younggunzz786uk]

pakistan fans are a disgrace! he won us the world cup!!!! younis khan is one of the only captains who has united the pakistan team! Well done Younis Khan, we pray you are our captain for a long time yet!

[SohailQureshi]

younus is a average ODI player, i feel he should just stick to test matches because YK always tend to slow the game down and not score at a run a ball.

[Crucifier]

Originally Posted by younggunzz786uk pakistan fans are a disgrace! he won us the world cup!!!! younis khan is one of the only captains who has united the pakistan team! Well done Younis Khan, we pray you are our captain for a long time yet!

What did YK do in the World Cup?

[wiseguy]

im with younis khan no one can lead the team better then him top man!!!!

[GLORY OF '92]

OK so who should replace him?? Don't say afridi-he's not the backstabbing type.

[Boi]

After the T20 World Cup everyone was praising Younis Khan at least 90% of PP Pakistan fans. Now look after a few months people turning against him.
He is the best man for the job and we should stick with him. I am sure he will come good.

[Khabri420]

I agree that YK is the best man for the job, but he needs to start working on his bowling. He has great potential because his batting doesn't look very promising.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by shane There is no-one who comes close to being able to replace Younis. He is the best captain Pakistan has had for a long time and he must continue.

amen.

[khilari]

I stand by him too
One dropped catch is no biggie when he could throw a direct hit to get Gambhir out in a cruuucial encounter

[90MPH]

Im with YK - dropped a sitter, and should have used the batting power play much earlier.

But other than that he has to continue as captain and hopefully the team will improve.

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by Crucifier Are you serious? YK did not "LEAD" us in the WC. That was done by Afridi and Gul. YK hasn't produced a meaningful innings in over 20 odd games I reckon so he's time is almost up. Someon get the scissors, because he's about to be cut.

Who do you want to replace him?

A guy who scored less in the whole tournament than Elliott did in this one innings and has 5 wickets in 4 matches?

Aamer has a higher score in this one innings than Afridi in the tournament. When was the last time Afridi got a ODI 50?

[Gooner]

I will also stand by Younus even if he dropped a dolly of a catch.

We've done pretty well this summer considering what's gone on in Pakistan cricket in the last year or so. Hopefully this deafet will make us stronger as a group.

[Sufian84]

im with you, for now.
ask me again after australia series and i give clear answer.

[pakistani]

im with him so what if he dropped the catch. you can never tell what would happen even if he took the catch. I just hope he gets his form back thats it

[azfar wali]

I still stand by YK

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging Who do you want to replace him? A guy who scored less in the whole tournament than Elliott did in this one innings and has 5 wickets in 4 matches? Aamer has a higher score in this one innings than Afridi in the tournament. When was the last time Afridi got a ODI 50?

Who is pakistans leading wicket taker in the last 2 years?

Who won pakistan the world cup single handedly?

who has been shoved so low down the order when he comes in he doesnt have time to get his eye in because we need to accelerate because YK is eating up too many balls?

And who has a 100% captains winning record in all forms?

[*sallu*]

I'm standing by him at the moment but for how long, not sure

Been failing for a long time, but just think, hes a class player at the end of the day.

What he needs is to do what Kallis has done. Kallis has been brilliant at adapting to both T20s and ODIs and YK is almost equal in ability. Just needs some work and inshAllah will come back stronger

I would give him the coming couple of series (against Nz and Aus) to make a mark

[tdigi]

No point in blaming YK. Yes he dropped a sitter and may be it was the turning point, but it's all ifs and buts. I admire YK as a cricketer who fights for Pakistan. Lot of people blame the captain for a loss but in all honesty it's a team effort. Yes the leader of the team needs to have the authority and command over his players, and the best captain Pakistan ever had in this department was the great Imran Khan.

I feel YK and his team will improve day by day. Unpredictability factor of Pakistan is still there but I think YK brings some amount of stability in the side.

Don't be fooled by the smile, he is a tough guy and a gentleman. My congrats to the team for reaching the semi finals.

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

as a captain hes the guy as an ODI bat no !

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 Who is pakistans leading wicket taker in the last 2 years? Who won pakistan the world cup single handedly? who has been shoved so low down the order when he comes in he doesnt have time to get his eye in because we need to accelerate because YK is eating up too many balls? And who has a 100% captains winning record in all forms?

Who lost Pakistan this semi-final single-handedly. :slaps forehead

And aren't you the one that thinks Afridi is better than Ponting?

Go on. Justify Afridi's performance today. I bet Ponting would have performed. When was the last time he got an ODI fifty? Actually Aamer at 10 has a higher score than Afridi in the whole tournament.

[Real.Badshah]

I think he is certainly the best man for the job at the moment. The dissapointment I beleive has been due to overly optimistic expectations rather than particularly bad performance. Just look at where we were just six months ago and look at where we are now. I think we are close to regaining the strength we had amongst our peers in the 90's.

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 Who is pakistans leading wicket taker in the last 2 years? Who won pakistan the world cup single handedly? who has been shoved so low down the order when he comes in he doesnt have time to get his eye in because we need to accelerate because YK is eating up too many balls? And who has a 100% captains winning record in all forms?

ahaha how many games has he captained again?
and he's not been shoved to #6, he comes in at #6 by his own choice

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging Who lost Pakistan this semi-final single-handedly. :slaps forehead And aren't you the one that thinks Afridi is better than Ponting? Go on. Justify Afridi's performance today. I bet Ponting would have performed. When was the last time he got an ODI fifty? Actually Aamer at 10 has a higher score than Afridi in the whole tournament.

how many overs did ponting get to bat for? i would love to see ponting come in afridi situation with no batsmen left at 4 run rate needing to accelerate with 8 overs left.

if you can ask dumb questions so will i sio here you go:
how many wickets did ponting take?

MAYBE you should use your brain instead of shouting dumb questions.

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by eViLrAcEr ahaha how many games has he captained again? and he's not been shoved to #6, he comes in at #6 by his own choice

"But my position in the batting order was never consistent and I couldn't cope with the constant shuffling up and down. So three years ago I decided I should focus on my bowling once again, and I have done well now. I rate myself as a bowler first and then a batsman."

sayiong he wants to come at number 7 shows how little you know. after hitting 3 50's in 3 T20s at number 3 and asking to come at number 7? do you know what cricket is?

[Pak_cricketer]

I'm not blaming him as a captain, but you can't be in a team just as a captain, you need to bat!

[GLORY OF '92]

It's not afridi vs YK! Don't derail the thread.

Also please remember when the country was most desperate for some joy YK lead us to a World cup victory. Short memories or what???

He's in poor form and is playing thoughtless shots but he will come good. I have no doubt.

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 "But my position in the batting order was never consistent and I couldn't cope with the constant shuffling up and down. So three years ago I decided I should focus on my bowling once again, and I have done well now. I rate myself as a bowler first and then a batsman." sayiong he wants to come at number 7 shows how little you know. after hitting 3 50's in 3 T20s at number 3 and asking to come at number 7? do you know what cricket is?

makaveli, he stepped up and requested to come in at #3 in T20s
he didn't do the same in ODIs, tells me how little you think of other factors in your analysis

[Zechariah]

He is the main reason, this team is in form right now, otherwise we are becoming a laughing stock.

He united the team and made it a fighting unit.

Any person with common sense can see that.

In Younis I trust.

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 how many overs did ponting get to bat for? i would love to see ponting come in afridi situation with no batsmen left at 4 run rate needing to accelerate with 8 overs left. if you can ask dumb questions so will i sio here you go: how many wickets did ponting take? MAYBE you should use your brain instead of shouting dumb questions.

Alright answer the Aamer part. He had even less time, even less balls, only 1 wicket to play with, and he got a higher score than Afridi in the tournament.

And if you can't see Ponting's better than Afridi, you sir are a royal idiot.

[J-Essence]

it was fun tournament....i really enjoyed it and i want New Zeland to win it all the way....

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging Alright answer the Aamer part. He had even less time, even less balls, only 1 wicket to play with, and he got a higher score than Afridi in the tournament. And if you can't see Ponting's better than Afridi, you sir are a royal idiot.

Aamir as a tail-ender has no pressure if he doesnt perform. aamir made more then YK what makes Yk fit for the job>?

and why not tell me which pakistani player is better then ponting seeing as you are such a genius? Why not compare ponting to YK?

Last 15 ODIs they are both number 3 batsmen:

YK average of 25 strike-rate of 64
Ponting average of 49.64 strike rate of 82.73

[mindless slogging]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 Aamir as a tail-ender has no pressure if he doesnt perform. aamir made more then YK what makes Yk fit for the job>? and why not tell me which pakistani player is better then ponting seeing as you are such a genius? Why not compare ponting to YK? Last 15 ODIs they are both number 3 batsmen: YK average of 25 strike-rate of 64 Ponting average of 49.64 strike rate of 82.73

Cause you claimed Afridi is better than Ponting on the Ponting thread.

Anyway, I think it's time for you to sleep with the Afridi doll. good night.

[eViLrAcEr]

why are some people comparing totally different players like Afridi and Ponting :s

ponting is a specialist batsman who has also been struggling with the bat until the game VS england
Afridi is a great player, no doubt...can perform whenever needed...i daresay that if this was a run chase for the same target, he would've won us the match but for the captain's role...Afridi is definitely not the man at this stage, maybe as VC he will learn how to manage the team on the field better

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by mindless slogging Cause you claimed Afridi is better than Ponting on the Ponting thread. Anyway, I think it's time for you to sleep with the Afridi doll. good night.

yes avoid the question. why not compare the guy you are defending? Have you seen his stats? At number three them stats are terrible!!

[jatt799]

im with yk he's a good captain.only need fix his batting thats it great leader

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by eViLrAcEr why are some people comparing totally different players like Afridi and Ponting :s ponting is a specialist batsman who has also been struggling with the bat until the game VS england Afridi is a great player, no doubt...can perform whenever needed...i daresay that if this was a run chase for the same target, he would've won us the match but for the captain's role...Afridi is definitely not the man at this stage, maybe as VC he will learn how to manage the team on the field better

he 'mindless' just brought it up.

Also to say YK is right for the job i dont think so. the man who ran away 3 time previous to this. why him? he showed how scared he is of taking on the role. he ran away 3 time!!!

[Boi]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 he 'mindless' just brought it up. Also to say YK is right for the job i dont think so. the man who ran away 3 time previous to this. why him? he showed how scared he is of taking on the role. he ran away 3 time!!!

Makaveli786 on Younis Khan deserving to be saptain of Pakistan team:

i think its a good appointment. it is alot better then shoaib malik and one step away from the right one. atleast they getting closer.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...8&postcount=30

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by Boi Makaveli786 on Younis Khan deserving to be saptain of Pakistan team: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...8&postcount=30

i did say that it is better then shoaib malik but not the right one. i stand by that still. he was not the best but better then shoaib malik.

[On_the_up]

YK is the right man to lead the team, there is no substitute at the moment. Pakistan are doing pretty well considering the lack of cricket we had to play recently. Youngsters have been given chances which was a major complaint under the Malik régime, Asif is back, and the bowling looks pretty good. We just need to find a couple of decent batsmen and we should be o.k.

[eViLrAcEr]

but nobody knows the reasons so why blame him then.
some of the reasons could be:

-he knew others wanted the position and did not favour to compete against his fellow teammates
-he had something else to work on
-maybe he was not confident at that time
-maybe he was looking to cement his place in the team first

tell me, will you be willing to captain a side when you're tired or when you don't think you can do it? NO. it would be an utter waste of time...rather, when you're confident, you will feel no fear in doing the same

[z2_daredevil]

I Am With Uuuuu !!!!

[Kray_jackson7]

evil lacer look at the reasons before making up your own. he was scred. simple as and he still is no good. he never Talks to his bowlers except shout at them. he should be talking to them when they bowl a good ball or when they get hit for a boundary to keep their confidence up. Like afridi does. even commentators be saying 'afridi is doing the captains job for him'

[eViLrAcEr]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 evil lacer look at the reasons before making up your own. he was scred. simple as and he still is no good. he never Talks to his bowlers except shout at them. he should be talking to them when they bowl a good ball or when they get hit for a boundary to keep their confidence up. Like afridi does. even commentators be saying 'afridi is doing the captains job for him'

you made up your own, so i made up mine

you didn't look into his mind to see that he was scared so stop being a psychologist please, people have different perspectives of looking at what the captain's job should be

[Juggernaut]

Still the right man for the job.

The only man for the job.

[Stewie]

They play with their hearts on their sleeves and it hurts them more to lose than us.

Nobody lose on purpose and they did their best. Lets give them a hand for providing us all the excitement and joy over the last few weeks.

Thank you, guys



God Bless Pakistan!

[P4K1 #1]

^^ Yup..

[me_asim]

yes i applaud their effort...we definitly have some issues to sort out with batting but Pakistan did reach semis and did do better then most expected.

[me_asim]

yes I agree...hopefully this defeat will go a long way in us being better in worldcup

[sali]

Yonus was the weak link here.
He was definitely injured and he should not have played. His decision to send Shoib Malik to face new ball (Bond) was atrocious. He knows Malik doesn't have the technique or will to play as an opener or no 3.
He derailed the inning in the match against Aus. Team took Aus match very casually until the last 12 overs. They needed to stay in Centurion and not come back to bouncy Wanderers pitch. EVERYONE TRIED TO RUN THE BALL TO THIRD MAN AND GOT OUT.

At the end, the dropped catch for Elliott may have something to do with his finger??

Positive news is that team is making good progress but it still needs two top class batsman to be a world beater.

[Prince of Pakistan]

Younus Khan zindabad

[saqlain]

As always the better team won the game. We shouldnt be getting too emotional. This is not the first time and I am sure not the last time we lose a game. I am sure Pakistan will do well against the series against NZ and Aus. There are some issues with the batting but I guess no one is pointing to the good bowling performed by NZ. Their bowlers should be given the credit to bowl well.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Indeed - it was dissapointing to lose BUT this is pretty much the same set of players that won us the T20 World Cup.

[mindless slogging]

I have to say the spirit and fighting till the end mentality is refreshing to see.

Well done Younus and the lads.

Or as Inzi would say:the boyzes played well and the boyzes are learning.

[Muzy]

i have patience for yk to come good so i stand by him though good and bad times (people go through bad patches in life and learn from it and improve) yk has made a vow he wants pak to win either CT or WC our target is WC for sure Inshallah

[Kamranz]

I still stand by Younis, HOWEVER there were some seriously Poor decision made by him:

1) brought on Rana and then switched to Gul when we ought to have gone for Spinners on the other end.

2) Didn't use Shoiab Malik enough. He only bowled 3 overs.

3) Like MOYO, Like Misbah like at times Shoaib Malik, Younis Doesn't rotate the strike. They tend to block to rebuild when they suppose to get singles and two's.

[zubair_786_7]

im with him all the way he is the guy to take pakistan forward....cnt u guys see the improvement? u lot must be blind...dnt jus blame him for the catch or sum batting failure!!