Bye Bye useless khan

[Amjid Javed]

This guy shud never play odis agen, hes simply not up to it and his record is very poor!

YK breakdown

under woolmer

0,0,4 v india

77 v zimbabwe

18,16* v bangladesh

1 v sri lanka

144 v hong kong

6 v Australia

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2 series b4 BW took over

V s.africa 41,9,13,24

V india 46,28,18,36,12

Apart from 2 knocks v zim and HK hes been crap to say least!

continually he gets picked when hes not good enuf! someone else shud be given ago!

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[tahaqureshi]

NO

no more dropping..

he should stay!!!!!!1

[Mercenary]

he's certainly not a wickie

[Amjid Javed]

under woolmer

inns 10 n.o 1 runs 276 @ ave 30.67

excluding minnows

inns 5 n.o runs 11 @ ave 2.20

[Naveed]

Was waiting for this treat from Amjid. He most certainly wouldn't have started one for Hameed or Butt.

[Amjid Javed]

hameed and butt havent failed all time like useless khan

go on naveed defend yks record

id like 2 see u even try!

excluding minnows (under BW)

inns 5 n.o runs 11 @ ave 2.20

[Schiller]

For that matter what did Hameed do today?

[Naveed]

If it was actually a player you liked, you'd be saying things like this was his first real match in a while, he's been moved up and down in the order, or facing McGrath at WACA is not easy etc..

[Amjid Javed]

:oD :oD Useless khan the HK basher aint fit to play odi cricket!

come on naveed am waiting! |-E

[Amjid Javed]

:oD rubbish excuse as per usual naveed!

[easy]

he has an average of over 30 which for ana apparently useless player is quite gud. and the majority of hid innings have come a the bottom of the order so tha akes it even moe impressive.

[Gasherbrum]

not going to waste a post on this "useless" thread ... don't do it ... NOoooo .... ah, the temptation ...

[Naveed]

Well Hameed has average 13 over his last 6 matches including 2 against Zim, yet you're not starting a bashing thread on him.

[easy]

lets drop the whole lot and clone a team full of amjids. !!!!!

[Naveed]

It's easy to quote stats, but remember that in those 5 matches he has batted at 1,3,6,7,8! In in 3 of the cases he was in slog mode (which admittedly is not his game) including 1 where he was out on the last ball of the match.

[Amjid Javed]

he has an average of over 30 which for ana apparently useless player is quite gud. and the majority of hid innings have come a the bottom of the order so tha akes it even moe impressive.

:oD :oD have u even watched any cricket? :oD :oD

Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Younis Khan 111 106 14 2914 144 31.67 1 20 57 0
Opening 1 1 0 0 0 - - 0.00 0 0 1
3rd position 23 23 1 531 73 66* 59 24.13 0 4 0
4th position 11 11 1 485 144 87* 70 48.50 1 2 1
5th position 45 45 7 1162 70* 69 67 30.57 0 7 3

6th position 20 20 4 667 90 77 72 41.68 0 7 2
7th position 4 4 1 59 46 9 4* 19.66 0 0 1
8th position 1 1 0 4 4 - - 4.00 0 0 0

how funny... yk has batted 81 inns including today in top 5 and just 1 century......!

next arguement please that was a very lame one! :oD :oD

[easy]

my only criticism of him is his inability to convert a good score into a 100. but id prefer him to be getting gud scores than the rubbish hameed is consistently gets

[Naveed]

Ok that's why he should be at #6!

[easy]

agreed, but with inzy to retire in maybe 2 yrs, he is the only ne that i see as a natural successor so he will inevitably have to move up.

[Amjid Javed]

:oD am sure inzi enjiyed his lassi

[badxhah]

U selected him in team as a keeper on the fastest pitch in the world give him a chance

[pakistani pride]

Amjid poor thread to say the least ! Batting against australia in perth as not easy ! Especially when its your first game in the series ! I would like to see malik at 3 but younis deffo can do that also given a proper run !

We had a disscusion the other day about hameed well . At this stage i would always pick younis over the fisherman !!!!!

[Amjid Javed]

its not just about this game.... hes been a ***** batsmen in odis for ages... quit making an excuse its one game!

2 match winning knocks in 111 inns is pathetic!

[pakistani pride]

But how many games has Hameed won for us outside asia????

[Amjid Javed]

:oD :oD its funny how all posters are making out hes justed failed once...!

guy cant cut it at this level....! rubbish odi batsmen and a minnow basher in odis!

[Amjid Javed]

PP, stick to the topic!

[Naveed]

The point is that you only start threads to bash the players you don't like. I assume that you had your info ready to go and were hoping for his failure.

[pakistani pride]

Amjid i am sticking to the topic !

You cant blame him. Younis has played well on the tour so far !

You cant drop him after one performance!

One match he plays at 2 then at 3 then 6 etc.....
Give him a proper run then see.....

Also what i asked you why dont you answer....

[Amjid Javed]

i dont care what YK has done in tests.... his recent and overall odi record is rubbish!

hes not an odi match winner and is a minnow basher!

naveed if ur so upset make a drop hameed thread!

[Naveed]

I guess that you need to start a new thread for AMjid to answer

[Amjid Javed]

no i start threads 2 pinpoint players who aint up to it.

naveed please defend YKS record then? go on!

[pakistani pride]

Amjid i am talking about giving him a consistent run...

His position is 4 but inzi bats there....
HE averages over 40 at 4

[Amjid Javed]

if ur good enuf u shud be bale 2 bat anywhere

[pakistani pride]

thats right amjid but its always hard to get used to it so it needs time....

[safehands46]

I dont understand the ploy to make him keeper. seriously it is bad for his batting. he is one of the better fielders as well.

[safehands46]

It just popped into my head, he is sort of like saleem malik average wise or nasser hussain. 31 average isnt anything special but its good for a number five.

[Naveed]

Exactly plus his leadership skills on a team without a real leader

[Amjid Javed]

:oD dont even compare YK to saleem malik as an odi batsmen

saleem malik was a proven match winner.... Yk is a dud!

remember calcutta when pak need 10 an over and he took us home!

:oD :oD :oD :oD

what a joke comparison!

[safehands46]

average wisse and the fact that saleem malik wasnt all that great as a one day player might create the comparison.

[Amjid Javed]

wow, naveed so we shud have a non-playing captain.

it doesnt matter YK cant bat or keep!

aslong as he claps his hands and say shabash that will do

lol!

ur coming out with some top jokes 2day!

[safehands46]

neither could hussain niether can vaughan.niether carl hooper. niether was steve waugh for any matter a great one day batsmen. your captain doesnt always have to be the best player. Younis any how might improve with the added pressure.

[Naveed]

Amjid, Younsi is a decent batsman. Not world class but solid. He needs to be left in 1 position. He is a tremendous fielder. He shouldn't be keeper I agree. WHat sets him apart is his fitness and dedication. In a team sorely lacking leadership, YK is the only option.

I guess you'd be ok with a bunch of poor leaders on your team. If so then stop complaining about Inzi!

[Rob H]

I have to agree with Amjid.Bye bye useless

[Amjid Javed]

thanks RH

[Naveed]

Amjid, what value do you attach to leadership?

[Daoud]

Him keeping was a big mistake. Well maybe not that big cause we won the game, and hopefully this will prove to Inzi and Woolmer that YK CANT keep.

Younis Khan should bat in the top5 and be given a run. Not as a keeper, as a pure batsman. He is one of these guys like Shoaib Malik who replays you if you place a lot of faith in him. He has shown in tests he is a top quality player. Just stick with him and stop messing him about.

[midwicket]

Agree Amit. The guy needs a decent chance at a settled batting position, preferably at 5 or 6. He's not a slogger but good at keeping the strike rotating. We need somebody like that. He's a player who gets a consistent 30/40 at the moment. With experience that will improve.

The captain should command a place in the team even if he wasnt the captain. India carry Ganguly and it shows at times. He aint even a great skipper!

btw midwicket, u know its against the PP rules and regs to agree with me?!

[Toony™®]

younis can bat...man was playing his first onedayer in the vb series...not his faultthat he hasnt played previous 4 matches.

yeah it seems if a genuine batter fails he is vilified. Malik didnt get a score today either!

[razzler]

Amit what are u saying mate. You see things from a different perspective and thats fine. You are doing nothing but creating hatred for yourself.

If Afridi fails its "oh well" but Younis or Taufeeq fail its "out".

[Amjid Javed]

Yk needs a good run...what a load of BS! guys played 111 games... what more of a run does he need!

amits to call him world class is a joke....! 2 match winning knocks in 111 game shows how **** he is!

YK shud be dropped and sum1 else shud be given a fair go!

all this excuses about a permant run is comical.... hes a failure!

plain and simple....time to wise up!

hand clapping gets u nowhere!

[Amjid Javed]

amits, u obviously love YK and that blinds uir judgement!

hes a failure...get over it!

The trouble with Pakistan is they dont understand the concept of a team. Only Imran does. Teams win games, win world cups, win test series! Younis has always been messed about the order and other less talented players have been shown more faith. It isnt enough just to pick him, u have to talk to himm show confidence in him.

[Toony™®]

Younis Khan Rules! |-m

[Amjid Javed]

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YK messed about? i think u havent watched any cricket at all then. tell me how many odis YK has won for pakistan? barring minnows, tell we when useless khans scored any decent runs... its always 20/30 and out which aint gud enuf!

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I didnt say that. Teams win games, Pakistan need to get this into their head. Last time the team won games was 1992! How well did they do then?
Says a lot that Shoaib Malik has played above himself or stretched his ability to the limit and Younis Khan has nowhere near fulfilled his potential in odi cricket yet both have a very similar average!

[Amjid Javed]

YK shud step aside from odis if hes such a good team man! pakistan shud give others ago!

[Amjid Javed]

even saleem elahi is a better odi batsmen then useless khan!

YK should be allowed to settle at 4/5 and at 3 in tests and show us the world class batsman he really is! Pakistan need to try all the players in the next year or so because 1 year from the WC, you should know your 15 to take. Or near enough.

[Amjid Javed]

Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

overall 110 105 14 2908 144 90 87* 31.95 1 20 8

v Bangladesh 10 10 3 349 73 66* 59* 49.85 0 3 0
v Hong Kong 1 1 0 144 144 - - 144.00 1 0 0
v Kenya 2 2 1 123 87* 36 - 123.00 0 1 0
v Namibia 1 1 0 28 28 - - 28.00 0 0 0
v New Zealand 10 8 2 306 70* 70 69 51.00 0 4 0
v Sri Lanka 21 20 3 571 66 59 57* 33.58 0 4 0
v Zimbabwe 11 10 2 406 90 77 67 50.75 0 5 0

v Australia 10 10 1 152 56* 23 19 16.88 0 1 2
v West Indies 7 7 0 111 31 23 18 15.85 0 0 0
v South Africa 18 18 1 370 72 48 41 21.76 0 1 1
v India 11 11 0 220 46 44 36 20.00 0 0 3

Yk is minnow basher..... shud be dropped!

It is hard to see why Elahi has been in the cold but I feel that Younis has proven himself in tests, he has shown he can play, he should be able to do it in odis. As a pure batsman and batting at 5 no lower. Not opening.

[Shohair]

I think Amjid has changed his views now.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

DONT LISTEN TO RH - he only wants yk out of the side so england dont have to face him! AJ imagine what will happen when yk explodes as an odi player

[CORNERED-TIGER]

and after 6 years we are still discussing the same topic lol

pakistan cricket never seems to go forward

[Desi]

His ODI position has always been debated and never really COMPLETELY secure

a test giant but an average limited overs player.

[kabirg]

Yk is the main reason why we lost in the semi final vs India should've been dropped when this thread was created.

[freelance_cricketer]

What a bump

[akheR]

Cruel bump imo.

[PakPrince]

Originally Posted by kabirg Yk is the main reason why we lost in the semi final vs India should've been dropped when this thread was created.

yep.. and he dropped 2 tendulkar catches!

[*sallu*]

Hes still one of the better ODI players because of his single taking ability and fitness.

Doesn't have the stroke, doesn't have the finesse, but given the current crop, he adds good balance, especially when on song, he will ensure smooth risk free production of runs, which no one else from our team can seem to do.
Sure they score at the same/faster rate, but they end up taking a heck of a lot more risks than Younis does, so an in form Younis is still very vital to the ODI side and of course, his test position is out of the question

[srh]

this is the story of Pakistan cricket: Continue playing some players in the wrong format

[Poison]

Originally Posted by *sallu* hes still one of the better odi players because of his single taking ability and fitness. Doesn't have the stroke, doesn't have the finesse, but given the current crop, he adds good balance, especially when on song, he will ensure smooth risk free production of runs, which no one else from our team can seem to do. Sure they score at the same/faster rate, but they end up taking a heck of a lot more risks than younis does, so an in form younis is still very vital to the odi side and of course, his test position is out of the question

NO.

[Desi]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Hes still one of the better ODI players because of his single taking ability and fitness. Doesn't have the stroke, doesn't have the finesse, but given the current crop, he adds good balance, especially when on song, he will ensure smooth risk free production of runs, which no one else from our team can seem to do. Sure they score at the same/faster rate, but they end up taking a heck of a lot more risks than Younis does, so an in form Younis is still very vital to the ODI side and of course, his test position is out of the question

Keywords are "when in form".

One day he'll make a run a ball 60, the next he'll make 10 off 30. He's a gamble in the ODI team, that's for sure. That gamble is exponentially raised when he's batting alongside Misbah.

Have people forgotten about the last semi-final already?

[Usman]

Originally Posted by *sallu* Hes still one of the better ODI players because of his single taking ability and fitness. Doesn't have the stroke, doesn't have the finesse, but given the current crop, he adds good balance, especially when on song, he will ensure smooth risk free production of runs, which no one else from our team can seem to do. Sure they score at the same/faster rate, but they end up taking a heck of a lot more risks than Younis does, so an in form Younis is still very vital to the ODI side and of course, his test position is out of the question

I understand exactly what you're saying. He's someone who, because of his no risk taking approach, can bat through 35-40 overs with ease. We need someone like that to avoid our world famous collapses.

[Desi]

Originally Posted by Usman I understand exactly what you're saying. He's someone who, because of his no risk taking approach, can bat through 35-40 overs with ease. We need someone like that to avoid our world famous collapses.

And stumble during world famous chases.

[Usman]

Originally Posted by Desi And stumble during world famous chases.

Ok I accept that in that match when it really mattered, both Younus and Misbah failed to live up to expectations. But at the same time, I refuse to place all blame on them. For a start, Hafeez was playing beautifully, but he just had to play that awful, awful padel sweep. It's a shot that rarely works for him, and usually ends with an edge for four. This time, it ended in Dhoni's gloves. The match was Hafeez's for the taking. Why he would want to play such a high risk stroke when things were going so well is a mystery.