Pakistani tail is wagless

[MIG]

We have no one in the tail, with the exception of Aamir, who can provide support to the main batsmen.

This is truly puzzling and in todays age, very dangerous.

In a team like Pakistan, where regular batsmen fail with alarming regularity, the tail enders batting skills should be in better shape than they are today.

Ajmal is the only one who showed dogged determination but likes of Gul, Kaneria, Rauf and Asif should do a little better as well.

A 40-50 extra runs between them would have helped our cause.

Not saying that its their responsibility but its time that Pak management starts paying attention to the batting skills of these bowlers as well

[AZ]

Gul isn't playing, otherwise he had done really well with the bat in NZ...but Asif and Kaneria are complete bunnies unfortunately

[its.raja]

I think Misbah should have tried to bat rather than rely on tail enders.

[MIG]

What we dont want from the tail is a quickfire 10 from 2 balls - we need staying power to help out the specialist bats.

I really feel that any other team would have put up atleast 50-100 more runs for the last 5 wickets

[Howzat]

Originally Posted by MIG We have no one in the tail, with the exception of Aamir, who can provide support to the main batsmen. This is truly puzzling and in todays age, very dangerous. In a team like Pakistan, where regular batsmen fail with alarming regularity, the tail enders batting skills should be in better shape than they are today. Ajmal is the only one who showed dogged determination but likes of Gul, Kaneria, Rauf and Asif should do a little better as well. A 40-50 extra runs between them would have helped our cause. Not saying that its their responsibility but its time that Pak management starts paying attention to the batting skills of these bowlers as well

I was reading a cricinfo article a few day ago where the author was talking about how the typical tail ender is not seen these days much. Even a no10 or 11 plays with a straight elbow and a still head. Now, with Pakistan, even the top order sometimes fails to show the basic technique.

Don't you think that it's only natural that in a team where the top and middle order is yet to sort their batting out, the tail will only be bad?

I can give an example against my own theory here- New Zealand. Their top and middle order sucks, but their no6/7 come to their rescue so often. But then they have, for some inexplicable reason, kept some of their best batsmen for the later order.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by MIG A 40-50 extra runs between them would have helped our cause. Not saying that its their responsibility but its time that Pak management starts paying attention to the batting skills of these bowlers as well

They'd have scored 40 extra runs if they hadn't come out to bat just after Australia had taken the new ball. You saw how Aamer batted with no problems, looked as though he could bat all day but lasted all of 3 deliveries against the new ball. Australia bowled well and it was pretty difficult for the specialist batsmen against the new ball so how well do you expect the tail to do?

[Savak]

Dude its upto the tailenders to learn how to defend the ball and stay at the wicket. Its up to them individually to improve their batting.

[saadjhussain]

the top order's "wagless" so can't blame the tailenders

[AZ]

Originally Posted by saadjhussain the top order's "wagless" so can't blame the tailenders

so they're given a pass then? why bother showing up to crease, just chill in the dressing room and get timed out

as for it being an individual thing as mentioned by Savak, the coaching staff has to give them training for it, there's no way they will look to seriously improve it on their own

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar as for it being an individual thing as mentioned by Savak, the coaching staff has to give them training for it, there's no way they will look to seriously improve it on their own

If they want to improve as cricketers and make it harder for them to be dropped then they should be trying to improve their game in all facets. If they aren't looking to improve then more fool them.

You don't need the coaches or selectors to grab a couple of club bowlers or domestic teammates and have some extra batting sessions when they're back home between international commitments.

[Easa]

I don't think our tail is that bad, actually.

Kaneria and Asif are bunnies (although Kaneria seems to have made a conscious effort to improve!) but Gul and Aamer are acceptable with the bat. Anyway, their main job is to bowl: if they keep bowling well, I'll have no complaints of their substandard batting.

[LG]

Originally Posted by Big Mac They'd have scored 40 extra runs if they hadn't come out to bat just after Australia had taken the new ball. You saw how Aamer batted with no problems, looked as though he could bat all day but lasted all of 3 deliveries against the new ball. Australia bowled well and it was pretty difficult for the specialist batsmen against the new ball so how well do you expect the tail to do?

My thoughts exactly. Pakistan should be more worried about the top order batting.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Big Mac They'd have scored 40 extra runs if they hadn't come out to bat just after Australia had taken the new ball. You saw how Aamer batted with no problems, looked as though he could bat all day but lasted all of 3 deliveries against the new ball. Australia bowled well and it was pretty difficult for the specialist batsmen against the new ball so how well do you expect the tail to do?

Its a team game - everyone needs to contribute. No free pass for anyone.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by LG My thoughts exactly. Pakistan should be more worried about the top order batting.

Did I say that we dont have a problem with our top order?

[Khalil]

Yes it's important to have tailenders who can bat. South Africa was trouble Against England and the last wicket partnership between Ntini and Steyn was around 60.

I have said this before and I say it again. Ntini has a better batting technique than Pakistanis opening batsmen

[Savak]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar so they're given a pass then? why bother showing up to crease, just chill in the dressing room and get timed out as for it being an individual thing as mentioned by Savak, the coaching staff has to give them training for it, there's no way they will look to seriously improve it on their own

The coaching staff will most probably focus on the main batters most of the time, the tail enders wont even figure on the agenda. The tail enders have to work on their batting in their own free time, there has to be the individual desire to be able to improve one's batting.

[Sufian84]

almost the whole team bats like tail enders

[HuZi]

That's true,

we need rana or razzaq, someone who can help the batsman and can bowl
himself.

That would strenthen our weak batting line up

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Savak The coaching staff will most probably focus on the main batters most of the time, the tail enders wont even figure on the agenda. The tail enders have to work on their batting in their own free time, there has to be the individual desire to be able to improve one's batting.

its upto the tailenders to ensure that their technique is improving as well.

They are the ones who should go into nets on their accord.

And I dont know what batting coaching staff you are referring to for the Pak team - there is none.

[Chasing Cars]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar Gul isn't playing, otherwise he had done really well with the bat in NZ...but Asif and Kaneria are complete bunnies unfortunately

But I agree with the OP completely. It is disappointing that our batting side is steadily collapsing..
:aamir

[Khalil]

Originally Posted by MIG its upto the tailenders to ensure that their technique is improving as well.

If the specialist batsmen don't want to improve their technique than it's very difficult to get the tailenders to do that

[MIG]

The difference is that specialist batsmen can claim that they have a technique ( thats why they were selected)

The tailenders hide behind the fact that they arent really supposed to score runs - to me that is wrong.

Every member of this team should do his utmost to help out - if that means going into the nets for self improvement - so be it.

I have a feeling that Ajmal is one of those who has made a conscious effort.

Asifs performance in this aspect is really bad.

[MIG]

Another test of the tail may well be on its way tomorrow - Heaven knows what Asif and Raud have in store for us

If I were Asif or Rauf - I would be camping at the nets tonight and get some mega throw downs.

But then I am being sensible.

[Savak]

I think we should give the tail a break, they were up against the new ball and facing the new ball especially against the current Aussie attack is not easy.

[MIG]

For those who still dont see the advantage of a tail that can hold its own - just have a look at what English Tailenders did for England in the first test and the resulting upsurge in their performance in the 2nd.

I repeat again - in a team like Pakistan - every player has a responsibility to make their mark.

[asadee]

that's where he might be a handy pick

:Sami

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by MIG For those who still dont see the advantage of a tail that can hold its own - just have a look at what English Tailenders did for England in the first test and the resulting upsurge in their performance in the 2nd. I repeat again - in a team like Pakistan - every player has a responsibility to make their mark.

That's because England select their bowlers based on how well they can bat. How well has that approach served them when they go to Australia?

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by asadee that's where he might be a handy pick :Sami

No thanks, don't want him to add 30 runs onto our total with his batting only to ruin it with his 50+ bowling average.

Gul for Sydney please, let's hope the rest has made his knee feel better. If not, I'd still take Rauf ahead of Sami if we go with three quicks.

[Yaser]

like an amputated cat

[moumotta]

This team has tails at both ends. Which one do you guys like should wag.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Big Mac That's because England select their bowlers based on how well they can bat. How well has that approach served them when they go to Australia?

Dont know about that BM - all I know is that England turned around a potential defeat in the first match to an amazing victory with their team

I also know that English tail wagged successfully to give them the breathing space they needed.

Ok - we dont expect Asif and Asad to play 50s in every innings but some work on their batting skills would be of interest - they could easily give us the breathing room we need.

[Big Mac]

Let's be honest, South Africa were always going to choke under the pressure of challenging India for the #1 spot ;)

[Sledger]

Clutching at straws, it unlikely that your tailenders ever score big enough to set up a win or even a draw. In the recent game where Swann and and Anderson got England back in the match against SA, the game was still almost lost. Great sides like the champion West Indies and Australian sides relied on their bowlers to get 20 wickets and their top 6 to score 700+ runs.

[WNC]

Our tail was acceptable during the Sri Lankan tour. But with a batting like ours, we need some help from the tail though there's no blame on them if they don't get some runs or hang about, that's the batsmen's job, not theirs.

[iHammad]

Mohammad Sami....

[On_the_up]

Pakistan actually has 2 tails, one at each end of the batting line up.

[KA$H]

i disagree our tails batting is as bad as MiG's made out, but I think he's wrong when it comes to the application of our tailenders

Gul can bat/slog - he used to be a real No10/11

Kaneria has made MASSIVE improvements - he used to be the absolutely worst tailender in the world, but that accolade now sits firmly with the kiwi Martin. But seriously Danish's batting hass improved dramatically last year at Essex. I've heard the coaching staff put testament to the work he now puts into his batting

Asif & rauf can hang around in sub continent conditions - but if defo suspect against anything boucning above waist height at pace. You can't blame them for technique but can blame them for bravery. Way too much backing away

Incidently Asif was involved in a 20 odd over partnership with Asim kamal on the last tour to Oz. So he does have some kind of stickability in foreign conditions.

Ajmal is prepared to wear a few, so at least he shows guts.

in reality we have around 4 true No11s in our team (ajmal, asif, kaneria & rauf) - That's the real problem

[*sallu*]

We need someone like a Broad/Swann/Harbhajan
Who are outright bowlers but can turn an innings around with their late order scores

[Dr_Bassim]

i think its fair to say our entire team is tailender as Hauritz the Australian tailender scored 75 which none of the Pakistani accomplished batsmen were able to match

[ahsanib]

I think both Gullee and Dani have made massive improvements. They can be relied on to score 10/15 every now and then. Asif is an old-fashioned number 11. Rauf should never play international cricket again.

I think a tail of Aamer-Gullee-Dani-Asif is pretty good; that tail has played only four innings together and in those four innings the last four wickets have added 108, 29, 133 and 58 runs in non-Asian conditions so it's pretty good going.

[Gollum]

Originally Posted by On_the_up Pakistan actually has 2 tails, one at each end of the batting line up.

POTW!!!

[MIG]

Once again - the value of a tail that can help out top order batsman.

[Savak]

Originally Posted by MIG Once again - the value of a tail that can help out top order batsman.

Dude, when your top order is so unreliable, you cant blame the tail enders. Plus our tail enders can hold their own in flat subcontinent conditions, its a fairly different challenge to expect the likes of Asif, Kaneria guys with the weakest technique to cope with the bouncing seaming conditions of Australia, NZ, South Africa e.t.c

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Savak Dude, when your top order is so unreliable, you cant blame the tail enders. Plus our tail enders can hold their own in flat subcontinent conditions, its a fairly different challenge to expect the likes of Asif, Kaneria guys with the weakest technique to cope with the bouncing seaming conditions of Australia, NZ, South Africa e.t.c

Bhaiya - read my OP

I Want my tailenders to DEVELOP that skill

[saadjhussain]

just hope they wag today because as things stand, number 8 will be out there before we can chase this down

[MIG]

Originally Posted by saadjhussain just hope they wag today because as things stand, number 8 will be out there before we can chase this down

no hope this side of the durand line.

[SUPERSAMI]

Not much to wag upfront either

[Sledger]

Asif 27*
Gul 37*

[Vegitto1]

MIG will be in for a shock, but I think by tail he meant our openers and 1 down lol

[MIG]

Mashallah!

I am still in shock - The look on Pontings face is priceless

Well done to the Pak Tail. As usual, shame on the rest of the so called top order

[Amjid Javed]

The lack of an all rounder in side means only way pakistan can get balance is by picking 4 bowlers and sadly it means a long tail. Hopefully Aamer will improve and gul has the ability to chip in with runs when he gets his head down.

[MIG]

Really impressed by Asifs application today.

[Lethal]

Good contributions from Asif and Gul.

Well done.

[pak4life]

yes well done picking up cheap runs when there is no pressure a 30 run partnership in sydney would have been handy

[cricket_fever]

well done, atleast the tail is starting to wag............wah bhai gullay 3 chhakkay!

[Sohaib-789]

Last time the tail really wagged was against south africa where rana. shahid nazir and kaneria made at least 110 runs between them what entertainment that was

[Zu456]

gul and asif did gd yesterday. but the main priority is for them to bowl well. i don't care how they bat as long as they bowl well. like u would never choose rana over asif just because he rana can bat a bit. i think he thread should b changes to our batsmen are wagless

[On_the_up]

Are you saying our tail do not have wives or girlfriends?