There is only one solution:

[zaid65]

It seems like majority of the people are demanding to have Afridi as a captain and PCB also announced that there will be a change of captain after this tour ( bizarre decision in the middle of the tour!!). It look like Afridi will get his long time wish and will be named captain, most likely in all formats ( or at least two).

At present team, no doubt leadership vacuum is a big and huge problem but the bigger problem is, majority of the players are playing for selfish and personal reasons. Malik was removed, because players revolted against him and now he is not putting efforts to do well, Younis was removed, because of the revolt of the players, Yousuf is made captain, but according to his post match comments, players are not playing for country is a big sign that there is lot going on in the team.

My question here, lets say if Afridi will be named captain, how would players like Yousuf, Younis, Malik, Akmals, will play under him, dont you think, they all want to see him fail and try to give him back what he has done to them? I will tell you, there is so much bad blood, this saga will never stop among the current core group of players.

There is only one solution, clean up the house and get rid of this players power once!!

[saadjhussain]

yup, get rid of them all.

[germanboy]

yaar throw everyone who is not playing for the country

but i tell you most of the players like afridi.. i think they might play well under him.. just feel so

[the Great Khan]

just watch after the series i england if we do badly the same pea brains calling for anotehr new captain will turn on this guy too..cue "brainless cuptaan", "bring back Malik" "younis is the solution" type threads!! we deserve everything we get as Pakistanis!!

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan just watch after the series i england if we do badly the same pea brains calling for anotehr new captain will turn on this guy too..cue "brainless cuptaan", "bring back Malik" "younis is the solution" type threads!! we deserve everything we get as Pakistanis!!

As I said, yes captaincy is a big problem, but the bigger problem in the current Pakistani team is lack of trust among each other. Captain has no trust among his players and players do not trust or do not want to see their captain to succeed. At the end, team Pakistan is going down and each and every individual player has been rewarded with their wishes.

I do not see this crises to be resolve even if Superman Afridi will become the captain of this team, in fact, I could see this crises will get worse, because team players knows more than average fan what Afridi has done with other captains, so I am sure they will pay their dues back when he will come in power.

[germanboy]

Originally Posted by zaid65 As I said, yes captaincy is a big problem, but the bigger problem in the current Pakistani team is lack of trust among each other. Captain has no trust among his players and players do not trust or do not want to see their captain to succeed. At the end, team Pakistan is going down and each and every individual player has been rewarded with their wishes. I do not see this crises to be resolve even if Superman Afridi will become the captain of this team, in fact, I could see this crises will get worse, because team players knows more than average fan what Afridi has done with other captains, so I am sure they will pay their dues back when he will come in power.

and we as pakistani claim we are muslim

koi haal nahi hai yaar

[iHammad]

Maybe PP should get rid of you Mr.Zaid65

[saadjhussain]

Originally Posted by germanboy and we as pakistani claim we are muslim koi haal nahi hai yaar

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by zaid65 As I said, yes captaincy is a big problem, but the bigger problem in the current Pakistani team is lack of trust among each other. Captain has no trust among his players and players do not trust or do not want to see their captain to succeed. At the end, team Pakistan is going down and each and every individual player has been rewarded with their wishes. I do not see this crises to be resolve even if Superman Afridi will become the captain of this team, in fact, I could see this crises will get worse, because team players knows more than average fan what Afridi has done with other captains, so I am sure they will pay their dues back when he will come in power.

Please enlighten us what Afridi has done with other captains?

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Please enlighten us what Afridi has done with other captains?

You can only able to see what he has done, if you would take off your superman T-Shirt.

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by zaid65 You can only able to see what he has done, if you would take off your superman T-Shirt.

Once again getting persona, are we?

I asked you a serious question why don't you answer that Troll?

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by iHammad Maybe PP should get rid of you Mr.Zaid65

Typical Afridi fan mentality, always think about removing the sensible people.

[asif9138]

guys no matter what..who is the capatain of pakistani team..same result...does not matter..afridi..YK..etc...

this is all darama being played!! when misbah was dropped. some of the players went against YK..they forced yk to leave the team..and YK did leave the team and disappear!
than MOYO took charged..so they wanted misbah to bring back..he came back in the team..after NZ and Australia series..YK came in ODI team...Now MOYO again start talking about unity..
Let me tell you guys..after this series YK will be the captain of pakistan again for sure!!!
all this daram being played just to bring back MISBAH in the team!
main character behind the camara are...MALIK...KAMRAN...AFRIDI!!!

[Sledger]

zaid, I think the first person we need to get rid of is that useless head and shoulders advertising, hair flopping, leg breaking, slogging Afridi. What do you say?!

[Yaser]

Zaid65 is the sage of PP - much outspoken, often correct

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Once again getting persona, are we? I asked you a serious question why don't you answer that Troll?

Why would I get personal with you. You are not Kareena Kapoor or Katrina for me, no reason to become so insecure on every single issue.

Let me explain you in a concrete way instead of abstract one. I said as long as you are going to be biased, there is no point of me explaining anything to you.

[jattafridi]

why we repeating the same mistakes come on guys pakistan needs to improve there domestic cricket otherwise this problem never gonna solve

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Sledger zaid, I think the first person we need to get rid of is that useless head and shoulders advertising, hair flopping, leg breaking, slogging Afridi. What do you say?!

I say, along with Afridi, get rid of MOYO, Malik, Kamran Akmal and Misbah.

Build the team around Younis Khan, Asif, Umar Akmal and Aamir. Give this team 2 years and you will see the better results.

[asif9138]

Originally Posted by zaid65 I say, along with Afridi, get rid of MOYO, Malik, Kamran Akmal and Misbah. Build the team around Younis Khan, Asif, Umar Akmal and Aamir. Give this team 2 years and you will see the better results.

but when you drop kamran akmal..what would u expect from umar akmal?

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by zaid65 I say, along with Afridi, get rid of MOYO, Malik, Kamran Akmal and Misbah. Build the team around Younis Khan, Asif, Umar Akmal and Aamir. Give this team 2 years and you will see the better results.

Usman Qadir for captain? Thats what I'd do.

[Uncle Sam]

As Richie Benaud put it last nite " The strength of his (Afridi) personality"

That's the key. We need a captain who has intimidating and very strong personality"... and for now we got unintelligent, low IQ, logic less, illiterate, bunch of daft .... they are raised playing in streets yet they are not street smart for least.

And honestly, Afridi is way, way, way too far off from being an excellent captain but he is the only "Undhon mein kana raja we have".

[zaid65]

[QUOTE=Uncle Sam]As Richie Benaud put it last nite " The strength of his (Afridi) personality"

That's the key. We need a captain who has intimidating and very strong personality"... and for now we got unintelligent, low IQ, logic less, illiterate, bunch of daft .... they are raised playing in streets yet they are not street smart for least.

And honestly, Afridi is way, way, way too far off from being an excellent captain but he is the only "Undhon mein kana raja we have".[/QUOTE]


But do you really think that Kana Raja is the solution for our problem? Why not look for real Raja, even if it takes time. If you would choose to go with Kana raja, you will never be able to find a real Raja.

This is what we have been doing for last few years, we are making captains by default. I think we need to move away from this approach and look for the future.

[Uncle Sam]

If we had made captains by default then Afridi should have been on the helm after inzimam ... the problem is, we need to get rid of all "andhays" before finding a real raja... that's if you REALLY wanna solve the problem and root it out once and for all.

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Uncle Sam If we had made captains by default then Afridi should have been on the helm after inzimam ... the problem is, we need to get rid of all "andhays" before finding a real raja... that's if you REALLY wanna solve the problem and root it out once and for all.

This is what I said in my orignal post, that we need to clean up the house and this the only viable solution for this team Pakistan.

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by zaid65 This is what I said in my orignal post, that we need to clean up the house and this the only viable solution for this team Pakistan.

In pakistan team emotions runs a lot more than any other team. The selectors and administrator take fan's emotions an attribute in selection also apart from performance. If you think back India had the same problem sometime back.

Whoever gets captain, the problem is not going to resolve as captain is not going to play for 11 players. Afridi's performance will be same if he is captain or not.

The bigger question is, do you have the best 11 in the team. If yes, then problem is the team is not as good as opponent. If no, then the problem is selection method.

[Invictus]

With Afridi you wont die wondering. I can put my bottom dollar on the fact that if Afridi felt like he was being undermined he will not just be amicable he will drop the guy. He is popular enough in public not to be dropped. He has been around for a long time now.

He has captained domestically and in T-20's and he isnt a great tacticians but he carries the team with him. The people who make the point that he is brainless either dont watch the game or look at the image of Afridi rather then the player. He is a very smart bowler. As a batsman he is a slogger. I haven't seen him say anything else otherwise. If people put him on a pedestal that's not his fault. At this point in time we NEED someone like Afridi. We need someone who will play to win. Someone who will make the team fight. Thats all what any normal fan would want.

Since the 05 England tour we have been getting pushed around. There was a time when teams respected/feared us. In the past 4 years I have seen teams just walk all over us. Teams consistently scoring 500 plus runs. Us barely getting to 300. Series loss after series loss. Teams refusing to come play us. Mickey Mouse 2 bit tournaments just openly ignoring us. WC being taken away from us. Us not playing a test for an entire year. What needs to happen for us to realize that we need a solution now. Not 5 years from now when it wont matter because we will be completely marginalized. We need to be competitive in-order for people to notice us.

We have been getting destroyed, not just losing, destroyed for 3 years. What else needs to happen for us to do something. Of all the players name one guy who have an outside chance of making this team compete besides Afridi.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by zaid65 I say, along with Afridi, get rid of MOYO, Malik, Kamran Akmal and Misbah. Build the team around Younis Khan, Asif, Umar Akmal and Aamir. Give this team 2 years and you will see the better results.

I am not sure about dropping afridi, but kami, malik and misbah need to go.

And ye,s build the team around YK. The players mentioned above have created rifts in the team. GIve YK a young team to lead.

[akafen]

Azeem Ghumman for captain. At least he attempts to read the game.

[adzzy786]

Get him in the team and he'll play a captaaaaaan lol

[Dr_Bassim]

For once, i want Afridi to be captain, just so everyone comes out of the dream they are living....
We need to be realistic. If you think , Afridi is gonna stop collapses, suddenly make us take blinders and single handedly somehow turn around the fortunes of the side, you guys are sadly mistaken
I dont hate Afridi, i hate his batting which is touch and go. His bowling was amazing in the t20 but sadly yesterday he was taken to the cleaners. He can have an off day , but the only reason Afridi is in the team is because of his spin bowling, not his one off batting...
I earnestly ask anyone from the PCB who is listening to make Afridi captain.
I want all our fans who are thinking that Pakistan is gonna perform miracles under Afridi's leadership to swallow the bitter pill.. and come with excuses for his failures ( after he fails too!)
That being said Yousaf is a horrible captain and doesnt deserve leadership of any kind. His batting is what keeps him in the team, and that too off late has gone down

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim For once, i want Afridi to be captain, just so everyone comes out of the dream they are living.... We need to be realistic. If you think , Afridi is gonna stop collapses, suddenly make us take blinders and single handedly somehow turn around the fortunes of the side, you guys are sadly mistaken I dont hate Afridi, i hate his batting which is touch and go. His bowling was amazing in the t20 but sadly yesterday he was taken to the cleaners. He can have an off day , but the only reason Afridi is in the team is because of his spin bowling, not his one off batting... I earnestly ask anyone from the PCB who is listening to make Afridi captain. I want all our fans who are thinking that Pakistan is gonna perform miracles under Afridi's leadership to swallow the bitter pill.. and come with excuses for his failures ( after he fails too!) That being said Yousaf is a horrible captain and doesnt deserve leadership of any kind. His batting is what keeps him in the team, and that too off late has gone down

Well said. You could sure convince people who don't like Afridi. However, your last paragraph is spot on.

[Couch Cricketer]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim For once, i want Afridi to be captain, just so everyone comes out of the dream they are living.... We need to be realistic. If you think , Afridi is gonna stop collapses, suddenly make us take blinders and single handedly somehow turn around the fortunes of the side, you guys are sadly mistaken I dont hate Afridi, i hate his batting which is touch and go. His bowling was amazing in the t20 but sadly yesterday he was taken to the cleaners. He can have an off day , but the only reason Afridi is in the team is because of his spin bowling, not his one off batting... I earnestly ask anyone from the PCB who is listening to make Afridi captain. I want all our fans who are thinking that Pakistan is gonna perform miracles under Afridi's leadership to swallow the bitter pill.. and come with excuses for his failures ( after he fails too!) That being said Yousaf is a horrible captain and doesnt deserve leadership of any kind. His batting is what keeps him in the team, and that too off late has gone down

With Afridi we will still have batting collapses, dropped catches etc but we will be in the face of the opposition and not meekly be dictated to like most of our captains.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by Couch Cricketer With Afridi we will still have batting collapses, dropped catches etc but we will be in the face of the opposition and not meekly be dictated to like most of our captains.

Was Younis Khan meek? in the field i mean
Off the field he always bawled into nonsense about team insecurities....
But on it , he was aggresive
Did pakistan Win the Test series in Sri Lanka ? Did they win the Champions Trophy ?
At the end of the day, mate i am sure you agree with me
Its the result that counts, not the methods or aesthetic pleasure. I wont complain even if we get results with you as captain.

[Invictus]

I dont remember a Pakistan team that didnt collapse even under the Great Khan himself we collapsed regularly. I dont think there is a remedy for that, the idea is not even to perform miracles. Its simply to compete to play the game to win. Younus was the ideal guy but he just cant handle the politics the bickering the general shananigans that go with it.
Afridi on the field gives you everything. He will make people follow his lead. He will play to win and he will cut out dead wood.

[Dr_Bassim]

The real question is what will Afridi do to off-field revolts.
On the field Younus and Afridi are both aggressive. I want to see how Afridi handles the off-field issues. And if his media statements are used as a gauge to check his off the field approach, then i am not very hopeful.

[Invictus]

Of all the Pakistan players I have seen to date Afridi is the one who got dropped about a dozen times. Each time he went back to domestic or some league kept on playing and kept on coming back. He was a spinner who after one knock was made a batsman and after 10 years of international cricket re-invented himself and became a bowler again. Point is he is mentally strong to deal with the shananigans that come with being a Pakistan captain.
He is a pathan leading the Sindh team in the pentangular. If that doesnt tell you he can deal with the politics nothing will.

[Dr_Bassim]

Of all the Pakistan players I have seen to date Afridi is the one who got dropped about a dozen times.
Because he was getting out on single digit scores and not performing

Each time he went back to domestic or some league kept on playing and kept on coming back. He was a spinner who after one knock was made a batsman and after 10 years of international cricket re-invented himself and became a bowler again

Agreed one hundred percent.. he came back better

He is a pathan leading the Sindh team in the pentangular. If that doesnt tell you he can deal with the politics nothing will.

Really i didnt know that.. That makes it even more unreal, that he would always make himself available in the middle of the series and make comments that undermine the captain. He should know better if he is captain of a side, what it takes to be a leader.

. Point is he is mentally strong to deal with the shananigans that come with being a Pakistan captain.

Thats why i want to see him as captain... we will have to see wont we

[cricket_fever]

Originally Posted by zaid65 Typical Afridi fan mentality, always think about removing the sensible people.

*cough* *cough*

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by cricket_fever *cough* *cough*

zaid saheb at it again

[cricket_fever]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan Please enlighten us what Afridi has done with other captains?

i second that request, mr zaid! And, playing under afridi shoukdnt be a problem anyways, if you have seen the t20s u will see clearly that they love to have him as captain, u can see it! Plus moyo and yk are not gonna last long anyways, misbah is history, malik and afridi are friendly and get along well it seems, and kamran too doesnt seem like a prob.
Afridi has to be made captain, he was born for it, everyone knows that! He is a natural leader unlike moyo and malik and even yk!

[cricket_fever]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim For once, i want Afridi to be captain, just so everyone comes out of the dream they are living.... We need to be realistic. If you think , Afridi is gonna stop collapses, suddenly make us take blinders and single handedly somehow turn around the fortunes of the side, you guys are sadly mistaken I dont hate Afridi, i hate his batting which is touch and go. His bowling was amazing in the t20 but sadly yesterday he was taken to the cleaners. He can have an off day , but the only reason Afridi is in the team is because of his spin bowling, not his one off batting... I earnestly ask anyone from the PCB who is listening to make Afridi captain. I want all our fans who are thinking that Pakistan is gonna perform miracles under Afridi's leadership to swallow the bitter pill.. and come with excuses for his failures ( after he fails too!) That being said Yousaf is a horrible captain and doesnt deserve leadership of any kind. His batting is what keeps him in the team, and that too off late has gone down

well said

u can become a professional debater lol

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by cricket_fever i second that request, mr zaid! And, playing under afridi shoukdnt be a problem anyways, if you have seen the t20s u will see clearly that they love to have him as captain, u can see it! Plus moyo and yk are not gonna last long anyways, misbah is history, malik and afridi are friendly and get along well it seems, and kamran too doesnt seem like a prob. Afridi has to be made captain, he was born for it, everyone knows that! He is a natural leader unlike moyo and malik and even yk!

I second that, just hope Zaid doesn't become the chairman

[cricket_fever]

Originally Posted by insaaniyat I second that, just hope Zaid doesn't become the chairman

yeah lol, he will have the u19s promoted as our natural team...............methinks.....read the last lines of the OP

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by cricket_fever well said u can become a professional debater lol

i was an All Pakistan debater.. so was my sister ...

[KA$H]

the point is Afridi is not the messiah as he's made out to be - all of our problems and internal squabbles will not suddenly disappear -


forget about his personality, his hair what ever

Pakistan cricket is in deep malaise throughout because of corruption, cronyism, incompetence and unprofessionalism

its delusional to think that he will be able to cure all of this, through this aggression

Afridi will be able to strike a few good poses as skipper and that's about it

and he's had plenty of brain implosions in his career for me to think that the downward spiral will only continue with him at the helm

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Sledger Usman Qadir for captain? Thats what I'd do.

Not going far enough, Usman for PCB president imo

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim i was an All Pakistan debater.. so was my sister ...

In Pakistan that just means you were louder than everyone else ;0

[Amjid Javed]

Why dont pakistan just do away with having a captain then there is no revolt. A nominated tosser can be picked for the coin toss at start of each game.

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by Big Mac In Pakistan that just means you were louder than everyone else ;0

Not necessarily, i am sure if that was the case, i'd have won

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Why dont pakistan just do away with having a captain then there is no revolt. A nominated tosser can be picked for the coin toss at start of each game.

There's 11 tossers in the dressing room, how are you going to narrow it down to just one?

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Big Mac There's 11 tossers in the dressing room, how are you going to narrow it down to just one?

They can draw straws and the one who gets the shortest can go toss the coin or call

[Dr_Bassim]

How about asking Inti to set the field and captain the team ?

[zaid65]

Once again, our national heros showed about the team unity and what they can do for the country.

I am sure IPL snub is the main reason for our bad performance, I would blame India and Modi for this poor show.

Our players are so talented, this is a massive plot against team Pakistan.

I am sure, all this can be solved with Afridi being a captain.

[KA$H]

^^outstanding logic

i understand that Afridi will pull out his celebration pose every time he gets out when he's skipper

something the fanboys would appreciate to see too I'm sure

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by KA$H ^^outstanding logic i understand that Afridi will pull out his celebration pose every time he gets out when he's skipper something the fanboys would appreciate to see too I'm sure

I am not sure that these are real fanboys. I have my high doubts, I think majority of them are fangirls, they are just using male alias.

[adiabbasi]

throw all of them out and replace right on mate @zaid 65 this will never stop clean up the mess and start fresh

[Kray_jackson7]

Mr. MI5 aka zaid65 will not answer to any questions which he cannot. it is a fact. he will make up some story and then not back it up. I was very interested to what he got up to when he came on his charity tour zaid was talking about some late night adventures of some sort. i instantly thought indiana sahibzada jones but zaid did not enlighten me upon the going ons inside the country of ours probably classified information.~

Not unlike the 'captaincy saga' he has in his head now but is not responding to.
I am lead to believe zaid believed the newspaper articles instead of our very own saj bhai who proved the fighting wrong. but why would zaid listen to that? he only hears bad things about afridi. its his 7th sense (6th being finding world class players without needed domestic cricket and just picking them up from the street)

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by zaid65 I am not sure that these are real fanboys. I have my high doubts, I think majority of them are fangirls, they are just using male alias.

very handy

[GLORY OF '92]

Originally Posted by Invictus With Afridi you wont die wondering. I can put my bottom dollar on the fact that if Afridi felt like he was being undermined he will not just be amicable he will drop the guy. He is popular enough in public not to be dropped. He has been around for a long time now. He has captained domestically and in T-20's and he isnt a great tacticians but he carries the team with him. The people who make the point that he is brainless either dont watch the game or look at the image of Afridi rather then the player. He is a very smart bowler. As a batsman he is a slogger. I haven't seen him say anything else otherwise. If people put him on a pedestal that's not his fault. At this point in time we NEED someone like Afridi. We need someone who will play to win. Someone who will make the team fight. Thats all what any normal fan would want. Since the 05 England tour we have been getting pushed around. There was a time when teams respected/feared us. In the past 4 years I have seen teams just walk all over us. Teams consistently scoring 500 plus runs. Us barely getting to 300. Series loss after series loss. Teams refusing to come play us. Mickey Mouse 2 bit tournaments just openly ignoring us. WC being taken away from us. Us not playing a test for an entire year. What needs to happen for us to realize that we need a solution now. Not 5 years from now when it wont matter because we will be completely marginalized. We need to be competitive in-order for people to notice us. We have been getting destroyed, not just losing, destroyed for 3 years. What else needs to happen for us to do something. Of all the players name one guy who have an outside chance of making this team compete besides Afridi.

POTW. Why Afridi needs to be made captain? This is your answer.

[muhammad saad]

Make Hammad Azam the captain of pak team right now

[Dr_Bassim]

Originally Posted by makaveli786 very handy

[mindless slogging]

Zaid 65 is pretty much spot on. We are not a good side, and replacing captains will have minimal effect.

We need to replace almost half the side in both ODI's and Test's, if we are using performances as the basis of judgement of the players. And if we cannot replace them from our domestic cricket, then we need to change the infrastructure so we produce players that are good enough to play international cricket.

First change should therefore be within the PCB.

[Invictus]

I hear this argument allot too that we are somehow a bad side. I dont think thats the case. We just play the wrong guys, with no tactics with a laid back approach. If you think about it our first choice test team is pretty much set with only 2-3 spots open. That for a Pakistan team is pretty solid:

Test Team:
Butt
Farhat
Younus
Yousuf
Umar
Misbah/Malik/Fawad/Bhanja (Open spot)
Sarfaraz/Akmal
Amir
Asif
Gul
Kaneria

Openers are not world class but they are atleast staying out there more often then not. We just dont have a solid number 6. Besides that all other spots are pretty decent with a good bowling attack. Throw in the back-ups in Rana/Rao/Rauf/Razzaq/Ajmal/Wahab etc and we look pretty good.
With Pakistan its always been the case of having a strong leader. I mean we lost the series to Zim at home in the late 90's. Freakin Zim when Anwar was captain and the same team was giving people nighmares with Akram in-charge. All this talk of changes from bottom up like changing the system and all that are not happening any time soon. So instead of focusing on the impossible why not do something that is atleast achieveable