Waqar Ahmed

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http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...893/19893.html


Who is this chap? People know much about him?

[pakistani pride]

very impressive stats !

[Awesome Anjum]

Waqar Ahmed is a left armer from Pesh. Been doing well for quite a few seasons now.I don't remember seeing him during the 02-03 season though.

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yeah...that is what I thought. Stats can be misleading but this guy seems like he is below his level a bit playing for the Peshawar Panthers.

Maybe someone to take a look at. Left armer as well. Not sure how often he has been discussed here.

[Rudi hater]

I was thinking the same thing this guys looks to be a good bolwer. very impressive stats.

[Officer Barbrady]

Impressive record.

Heard of him only, there are so many with impressive records that have never been considered. Tahir Mughal is another one who also played a bit of county last year.

[Officer Barbrady]

I don't think he did very well this season?

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http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html


There are the Waqar Ahmed season by season stats. He doesn't seem to have played in 2002/3 or in 2003/4 but he is back this season. He has never finished a season with a bowling average of less than 22.38.

[Officer Barbrady]

yar but then I see bowlers like Zahid Saeed who looks a distinctly average leftarmer with a similar record... it is difficult to judge on our stats I guess.

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agree Marooned. Thats why I said stats can be misleading. But either way....he is someone worth having a look at.

Noddy bhai you know much about him?

[Officer Barbrady]

Sure. I have said this before...and will say this again :-D . I think one has to look at the economy rates of these bowlers. The better ones re Shahid Nazir, Najaf, Sajid Ali (Kabir Khan and Shabbir in the past) etc will have low economy rates as well as good averages. I saw some domestic cricket this winter and I tell you wickets keep falling. You will find a very poor shot...chasing a ball with no feet movement, going for the cut off a ball not wide enough etc and a general lack of feet movement/ body position/technique all the time. No wonder J Zia picks up plenty of wickets (though at a high economy rate). You keep bowling line and length and the batsmen keep committing terrible mistakes. Which also shows in test cricket though there the players are ones who were better than most.

However, along with picking up wickets the better bowlers seem to have good control and are difficult to score off. Thus, the low econ rates. Both in domestic first class and ODI's.

[Awesome Anjum]

Zahid Saeed was v. impressive @ U19 level. He, along with Irfan fazil were touted as the next Wasim and waqar. It appears both have faded away.

[Officer Barbrady]

Irfan Fazil had some pace and raw potential when he played a test a few years ago. Had some injuries and wasn't really taken care of according to Noddy.

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good point marooned.

Waqar Ahmed has an economy rate of 3.4. Shahid Nazir has a first class economy rate of 3.03. Shabbir has an economy of 3.00. Rao Iftikhar Anjum has an economy rate of 3.24.

It is higher than these chaps but, 'I said it before and I'll say it again', no harm in having a look.

[Officer Barbrady]

Yes again I agree. :-D Email Bob! I don't think Bari knows his name as yet.

[Muddaser]

Najaf Shah has the best economy rate of them all.

2.79 runs an over!

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...282/35282.html

Waqar Ahmed is a 75mph swing bowler.

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you seen him muddy?

75 mph is too slow for international level. If he can add 5-10 mph then it will be fine.

[Officer Barbrady]

yeh 5-10 kahan add hota hay. Hum umeed main sub ka add kerwatay rehtay hain (myself included)

[Muddaser]

Waseem, Sameer and co. have seen him in action.

Waqar can swing the ball both ways but he is too slow according to them. Very intelligent bowler though. He and Zahid Saeed are military medium.

Najaf is quick, according to Farhad and Waseem, he was bowling around the 85/88mph range. Was keen on pitching the ball up to the batsmen and attacking the stumps.

Can swing the ball both ways too.

Theres also Sajid Ali and Samiulllah who are also very good.

Mohammed Khalil is the only left armer we have who cant swing the ball!

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he is the only one who cant swing the ball yet Bari picks him.

[Muddaser]

Marooned will tell ya!

He has seen most of our left armers in action.

[Jahangir Khan]

If Khalil can't swing the ball, why is he in the side. In Australia some of the wickets were good for bowling but in India they will be flat so if you haven't got pace you have to be able to swing it.

If this Najaf guy can bowl around 85/86 mph and can also swing it both ways, why not try him out.

With Khalil's action I can't see him picking up much more pace, although the selectors may stick with him because he has a bit of experience.

I just hope we don't take medium pacers like Riaz Afridi to India for test matches.

[Officer Barbrady]

Woolmer says he has been working on Khalil's action and he will begin to swing it a bit more? He is certainly not good enough if he can't get some swing going.

Sajid Ali was the left armer I saw and he got swing. Left-arm and good action. He looked a better bet than Khalil though he is not in the picture as such it seems.
The other one who got genuine swing was Shahid Nazir.

Saw Najaf a couple of seasons back..seemed to have potential, got some bounce off the wicket. Btw Najaf picked up another 4 today.

[Muddaser]

Great to see.

Noticed that, most of Najaf's wickets were either bowled or LBW to the right handers.

Took 4 for 60 off 27 overs!!!!

Great economy rate.

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/S...48/f48021.html

[Muddaser]

The guy bowled more overs than Imran Tahir the leg spinner.

Not only that he bowled 3 times as many maidens.

[Rudi hater]

Najaf would have got a chance to play for Pakistan if Aamir Sohail was still a selector, he did mentioned that to me in an e-mail. He talked about all the lefthanders we in the country. He was quite keen on Samiullah and Najaf.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

To me its not enough to just pick a left armer. He has to be a genuine wicket taker who can bowl the inswinger. Ideally he would have a bit of pace too. Chaminda Vaas is the master in Asia but messed about trying to bowl an outswinger which nearly finished him. Still there will never be another Wasim Akram and you just got to pick your 3 best seamers.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

waqar is a good bowler,najaf ppl like - but me personally wouldnt have him in the side - that is just my own opinion. Mohammad khalil has flaws with his action and if anyone can correct that it is bw - he helped alan donald,pollock and co. I dont follow the idea that u HAVE to have a left armer in the side - if there are better right arm fast prospects - which there are then surely they should receive preference? najaf obviously deserves an a team spot to show us anything.

stats are misleading - i reckon it is easier to tell if a batter has what it takes i.e sufyan munir - plays with a solid technique or someone with more flair like shahid yousuf

[Noddy]

Waqar is a good seamer, but he doesnt have any pull as such for the next level. He is not very tall, but well defined as far as physique goes.

The wickets in Pakistan tend to help the bowlers at the start of the season and also this time of year due to the rainy weather.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

thanks for that Noddybhai