Now Listen Here India!, A great slap on India's face by an Aussie writer.

[Saint29]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/...-1225820585643

INDIANS are a riot. Indeed, there are about 60,000 riots reported in India each year.

It boasts it is the world's largest democracy, but that "democracy" is very much a work in progress, and the progress is slow.

Much of the country still has well-populated pockets of feudal brutality, deadly caste war, and murderous religious conflict.



Indians still carry out so-called honour killings, an unpleasant business in which concerned male family members, worried about the class, religion, background, or maybe just the look of a girl's fiance or husband, brutally kill one or both for bringing shame upon them. Apparently no irony is intended.




Along with the popular takeaway chicken tikka masala, honour killings are a notable Indian export.

Just last month a young secretary and mother was found dying in a London street, bashed and with her right hand missing. Her husband and his mate have been charged with her murder.

It's reported she'd wanted a divorce. I can't think why.

Geeta Aulakh's family is from Punjab, India's most socially and economically advanced state, but life there can be barbaric. It was also home to Nitin Garg, the young graduate murdered here recently.

Were it not such a tragic and serious matter, you could almost have found amusing Indian politicians, and that country's sub-standard media, lecturing Victoria on our "racist" attitudes.

Among Indian politicians calling for more action to prevent "racist" attacks was External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna, who threatened: "This heinous crime on humanity, this is an uncivilised attack on innocent Indians. It will certainly have some bearing on the bilateral ties between our two countries."

Another minister rudely dismissed our police chief with an impertinent insult.

He inherited a Victoria Police that has been unnecessarily secretive and defensive for years, ever since Neil Comrie had the top job.



So it was like a breath of fresh air when he loudly went in to bat for his officers, and you and me, telling his Indian critics "there are over 33,000 murders in India every year; 8000 of those are actually brides being killed because the dowry's not sufficient".

Like more than a few Australian men, some Indian chaps are hopeless in the kitchen, but they are also more careless; their stoves so often blow up, killing their wives. It is called stove killing or bride burning. What really happens is that the grumpy husband douses his inadequate wife in kerosene and sets her alight, blaming his jerry-built cooker.

I don't suppose they're all guilty; I'm sure you've been in a few houses yourself when the stove's blown up.

I've had my moments with the missus, but I've never looked to the Hotpoint for an answer.

According to the United Nations, more people are murdered in India than in any other country. The figures should shame the Indian Government and its police, but they'd rather demand, as Mr Krishna did when Mr Garg was murdered, that Australia "speedily" catch the killer.

I have some advice for Mr Krishna. In 2007, the last complete year for which figures on Indian murders are available -- but you'll appreciate there's a lot of adding up to do -- 32,318 murders were reported. The conviction rate was 35.5 per cent.

India's Minister for Police should get on his bike -- or bullock cart -- and "speedily" chase down those 20,845 scoundrels who escaped conviction.

Punjab's police chief is P.S. Gill and, like Overland, he is newly appointed. He has his work cut out for him.

According to India's National Crime Records Bureau, Mr Gill has to deal with perhaps 800 murders a year, and as many kidnappings and abductions among a population only somewhat greater than Australia's.

His officers are kept busy, sometimes on matters that less commonly clutter the diaries of their Australian counterparts: for instance, about 1000 unidentified bodies turn up each year in Punjab. Bodies, not missing people.

Since Mr Garg was killed, many Indians -- not just those indolent thugs burning effigies of Kevin Rudd -- have turned on Australia and Australians and lazily and reactively branded us as racist.

The head of the Right-wing Hindu Shiv Sena party, Bal Thackeray, said he would bar Australian cricketers from playing locally. "We will not allow kangaroo cricketers to play in Mumbai ... Our boys are being stabbed, burnt and shot at in that country," he said.

I am unaware any of "his boys" have been "burnt", but maybe he's confusing himself with local cases.

There were also calls for a trade embargo, a predictable call to suspend the recruitment of students by Australian universities and, hurtfully, "Bollywood superstar" Amitabh Bachchan's rejection of an honorary degree from a Brisbane university.

Who? I looked him up on the internet, and just last week he won a local best-actor award. Receiving it, he said: "It feels strange to win a best-actor award. I mean, what exactly am I doing here?"

I have no idea, mate, but keep talking.

Nitin Garg's death is a tragedy. For him, his family in Punjab, his friends, and for our community.

We don't know yet who killed him. It probably was an opportunistic robbery gone wrong, but he may have been killed by someone out to harm an Indian. He may have even been killed by an Indian. They have form, home and away.

So let's solve the crime and get the facts. Let's not jump to any conclusions.

Well, maybe one: Australia is a safer and more tolerant country than India will ever be.

(Now that a **** has written this article, it will hold more credence in the eyes of these Indians. )

[Poison]

Fair article, considering what the Indian media has done to the reputation of Australia by their exaggeration of the attacks on Indian students.

[Cryin Out Loud]

That link isn't working, try this one:

Here

[Cryin Out Loud]

On the story itself, it's a fascinating mix of hyperbole and rancour.

But it's opinion, for what it is worth, and he has a right to publish.

[kingusama92]

It seems like an angry reply to the Indian media/journalists. Both sides have been stating facts but have gone overboard in trying to tarnish the other's image as a nation.

The Indian journalists were right about the murders of Indian students but then they started ripping into Australia in general and calling it a country full of thugs.

This guy states facts about riots, honor killings and such but then he basically calls India a country full of thugs.

In the end both are being idiots and not focusing on the situation instead are ripping into the other nation.

[Poison]

Yes but the truth lies in the facts. Australia is a much much much safer country than India, and this article speaks only in facts, not the sensationalist crap the Indian media spews out.

[Cryin Out Loud]

To kingusama92 - Yeah, I agree. The Indian media sucks donkey spheres.

They are really really bad. In fact 'bad' would be a compliment, given the people I knew in the press.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Poison Yes but the truth lies in the facts. Australia is a much much much safer country than India, and this article speaks only in facts, not the sensationalist crap the Indian media spews out.

I agree with you but in the end what do these articles achieve? The main issue of Indian students being murdered is put aside and these two sides of journalists are seen quarreling like desi aunties.

Any sane human being will understand that Australia is in much better shape then India.

[imranhk786]

great artical ..hats off to the writer ..but he should have talked about stupid indian media which spends 24/7 hrs moaning about pakistan and never looking at own problems ..and never talk about the real terrotists like the rat bal takray and fag modi

[SuperSixer90]

This article speaks the truth. Just what I've been trying to say. India is getting a free ride as a Democratic country and is blaming other countries for Terrorism when there is loads of terrorism in its own land which it can't handle.

[Liberty]

Originally Posted by Cryin Out Loud That link isn't working, try this one: Here

Anon Posted at 6:06 AM January 20, 2010 thanks for proving that all u aussies are illiterate and racist....

lol

[OZGOD]

Part of the problem is that some Indian politicians are trying to take advantage of some of the tragic occurrences in Australia by tapping into nationalistic self-righteousness, and obviously since Indians *have* been victims of violence in Victoria it's an easy target.

Not to say that the Victorian police have done themselves any favours either though, but geez India calling us a nation of racists and thugs is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black IMO. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Just so happens that the people dying in India are fellow Indians to a large extent, so nobody cares unfortunately.

That said, this article achieves nothing rather than further lower the level of the debate on this issue. I'm sure Alan felt heaps better after writing it, and nothing's really untrue, but what's the point? Better to maintain a stiff upper lip IMO. But then again Ozzies aren't Poms for the very reason that we've got a bit of mongrel in all of us

[imranhk786]

tommorws this will be on zee news : the australian writer who wrote anti indian artical has been exposed as a pakistani ISI agent last sunday he was seen drinking vodika with Hafiz Muhammad Saeed the head of Lashkar-e-Taiba "muslim terriost group" in a "pakistani resturant called "ALL HALAL"....

........and the sad thing is of bal thakrays fans will believe it lol

[Asok Chaktra]

Originally Posted by imranhk786 tommorws this will be on zee news : the australian writer who wrote anti indian artical has been exposed as a pakistani ISI agent last sunday he was seen drinking vodika with Hafiz Muhammad Saeed the head of Lashkar-e-Taiba "muslim terriost group" in a "pakistani resturant called "ALL HALAL".... ........and the sad thing is of bal thakrays fans will believe it lol

The truth is out there....

[imranhk786]

Originally Posted by Asok Chaktra The truth is out there....

true the truth is out there ..the truth is bal thakrays fans r crackhead

[rhapsodite]

The author completely misses the point. This isnt about how terrible human rights are in India. This discussion is about a serious law & order and racism problem in AUSTRALIA. Whats India's frankly appalling human rights record got to do anything with it?

How does discussing the current situation in India even remotely be relevant to the discussion to the racist attacks in Australia? Is he saying that Indians shouldnt complain as long their own internal human rights record is impeccable?

So this 'Oh how dare you complain about racism in Australia, look at your own country first' may be pathetic diversionary tactic, but it doesnt take anything away from the underlying problem of racism in Australia and the issue of Indian students being systematically targeted over multiple times.

If you want to talk about how bad things are in India, sure lets do it. But dont bring that topic into this discussions. Its completely and utterly irrelevant.

[Golden arm]

author seems to be as racist as some one from VHP in india. I clearly dont see any difference.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by rhapsodite The author completely misses the point. This isnt about how terrible human rights are in India. This discussion is about a serious law & order and racism problem in AUSTRALIA. Whats India's frankly appalling human rights record got to do anything with it? How does discussing the current situation in India even remotely be relevant to the discussion to the racist attacks in Australia? Is he saying that Indians shouldnt complain as long their own internal human rights record is impeccable? So this 'Oh how dare you complain about racism in Australia, look at your own country first' may be pathetic diversionary tactic, but it doesnt take anything away from the underlying problem of racism in Australia and the issue of Indian students being systematically targeted over multiple times. If you want to talk about how bad things are in India, sure lets do it. But dont bring that topic into this discussions. Its completely and utterly irrelevant.

Epic fail post my friend. Not racially motivated, your masala sensationalist media has unfortunately blinded you to the fact that Australia has NO 'serious law and order' issues, and the racism card you're playing now is also a pile of crap.

You certainly must report for Times of India because you're literally regurgitating the exact thing they have been giving to your 'frothing with outrage' general public.

[Riff]

Originally Posted by imranhk786 true the truth is out there ..the truth is bal thakrays fans r crackhead

[Mohsin]

In regards to the incidents in Australia have they been taking place ONLY against indian students or have they taken place against other Asian/foreign students but we're only hearing about the indian students?

[rvd]

Lets face it that article is inflammatory. I understand the anger though when your country is slandered though. Calling the Victorian police chief a member of the KKK was a low blow. You have to examine things proportionally though. India has a lot of people. The practices he mentioned are common in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Honour killings are common in Middle Eastern countries too.

Indian media just fed on the beast and overreacted. If you saw the news after Gurg's death was ruled to be a murder by other Indians, the media barely mentioned it. A few days later, they had a article about statistics showing how Indians were proportionally targeted. I dont know about tv because I dont have satellite, but Im sure they didnt discuss it much.

[rvd]

Originally Posted by Poison Epic fail post my friend. Not racially motivated, your masala sensationalist media has unfortunately blinded you to the fact that Australia has NO 'serious law and order' issues, and the racism card you're playing now is also a pile of crap. You certainly must report for Times of India because you're literally regurgitating the exact thing they have been giving to your 'frothing with outrage' general public.

There is a lot of criticism of the media by the general public. Theyre pretty sensationalistic. We are seeing more and more serious journalism though when you look at the exposes they do on corrupiton and stuff. There are legitimate news channels in India that do good work.

India is a developing democracy and its going through a similar phase as the US when it industrialized. Yellow journalism was common then and is prevalent in India now. As the country matures, the media will as well.

Ill tell you what though, I would rather have a free media that is never interfered with than a media that can be censored. The media has done a lot of good things in India. Give it time and it will mature.

[Zahid87]

All this writer has done is lower his reputation by ranting on about India. Some of you will lap it up; an anti-india article!! Lets celebrate! While at the same time taking pot shots at the Indian media, when this guy has virtually just followed suit and done the same thing that you deride the Indian media for doing.

Originally Posted by imranhk786 great artical ..hats off to the writer ..but he should have talked about stupid indian media which spends 24/7 hrs moaning about pakistan and never looking at own problems ..and never talk about the real terrotists like the rat bal takray and fag modi

Right, and what exactly has this writer done? And since when has Pakistan been able to look at its own problems? Lets all blame Israel, USA, India.......sound familiar.

[Wazeeri]

I think in a very angry way the Australian guy has made a valid point.
It seems the predominately white western countries are being attacked on the issue of racism a lot more recently and by countries like Pakistan and India where racism is an age old tradition.

Having said that this is now the second of saint29's threads on the topic of india. Somebody's google has been set to slap+india. Broaden your search mate.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Mohsin In regards to the incidents in Australia have they been taking place ONLY against indian students or have they taken place against other Asian/foreign students but we're only hearing about the indian students?

Foreign students have been targeted since the influx of students I think in the late 90s and early 2000's. However 'targeted' implies that these crimes are common, which is wrong. In answer to your question, international students get attacked more, regardless of their ethnicity, due to the fact they rarely fight back, and generally have more money/valuable items with them. Again these aren't racist attacks, they happen to everyone, but now when it happens to Indian students its amplified by 1000x.

[123]

its like saying Kashmir should not be a part of Pakistan since Baluchistan has more deaths per month than Indian occupied Kashmir.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by 123 its like saying Kashmir should not be a part of Pakistan since Baluchistan has more deaths per month than Indian occupied Kashmir.

Oooooookaaaay...shame thats wrong and probably made up but still

[Jadz]

That was a great read - so many facts/figures about India I had no idea about. Really very unwise/unfair of Indian media/politicians to brand the entire nation of Australia as racist.

I know that often occurs here in the UK by many disgruntled people or those with an agenda - and yet I find this country to be very tolerant. Allahu 'Alim.

[Asok Chaktra]

Originally Posted by imranhk786 true the truth is out there ..the truth is bal thakrays fans r crackhead

Bal thakary is no body! We all know that how his comments on Sachin, Sharukh and Mumbai in particulars were treated by Indian Public. He was also forced to withdraw his objection against Aus cricketers because of Public pressure. Don't judge India on Thakrays and his fans actions.

[Asok Chaktra]

CANBERRA, Dec. 30 (Xinhua) -- New Australian tourism forecasts released on Wednesday predicted a 21 percent drop in education arrivals from India, resulting in an economic loss of 78 million Australian dollars (69.5 million U.S. dollars).
The decline has been attributed to a spate of attacks on Indian students that cast a shadow over the Australian education industry in mid-2009.

Link: http://www.fisa.org.au/content/forec...ralian-economy

So think before you write anything unwanted about India.

[Poison]

Yeah Ashok, this loss is really going to hit our economy HARD.

[Saint29]

Originally Posted by Poison Yeah Ashok, this loss is really going to hit our economy HARD.

in other words india can kiss Australia's :107:

[Poison]

In other words nobody in Australia gives a flying **** if the Indian's stay in India, the only possible repercussion is a gross influx in the number of service station attendant vacancies.

[ChennaiFan]

The article has some valid points. But the author seems to hate the country India. But who gives a damn what a stupid in Australia thinks.

[123]

Originally Posted by Poison In other words nobody in Australia gives a flying **** if the Indian's stay in India, the only possible repercussion is a gross influx in the number of service station attendant vacancies.

You might have missed the riots in sydney few years ago where they targeted muslims/middle eastern

Also that a suburb in sydney didnt allow a mosque to be constructed as they didn't want muslims to come to their suburb ...

[Liberty]

Originally Posted by 123 You might have missed the riots in sydney few years ago where they targeted muslims/middle eastern Also that a suburb in sydney didnt allow a mosque to be constructed as they didn't want muslims to come to their suburb ...

You see, this post has absolutely zero relevance to this thread. And I mean zero.

[123]

Originally Posted by Liberty You see, this post has absolutely zero relevance to this thread. And I mean zero.

yes and the one before mine is a valid contribution to the resolution of issues being faced by Indians in Australia


actually my post has more relevance as it shows that there is widespread racism and not only against Indians

[Poison]

I wasn't propagating a resolution. If you don't like Australia then get lost. There is no widespread racism, just little pockets of junkies who like Pauline Hanson think there should be a White Australia.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by 123 You might have missed the riots in sydney few years ago where they targeted muslims/middle eastern Also that a suburb in sydney didnt allow a mosque to be constructed as they didn't want muslims to come to their suburb ...

Such a typical PP post here - they were targeting the Lebanese specifically after a spate of unsavoury incidents where the Lebanese boys were harassing and assaulting white Aussie women.

But you think that means they targeted Muslims. Pfffffffftttttttttttt.

And those Lebanese gangs deserved everything they got and still deserve a lot more. They are scum.

Poison is right, nobody in Australia really cares if Indian students come here or not, unless you happen to own a private education college. Don't like it don't come here.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Asok Chaktra CANBERRA, Dec. 30 (Xinhua) -- New Australian tourism forecasts released on Wednesday predicted a 21 percent drop in education arrivals from India, resulting in an economic loss of 78 million Australian dollars (69.5 million U.S. dollars). The decline has been attributed to a spate of attacks on Indian students that cast a shadow over the Australian education industry in mid-2009. Link: http://www.fisa.org.au/content/forec...ralian-economy So think before you write anything unwanted about India.

OMG what will we do? This will ruin Australia

[Liberty]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Such a typical PP post here - they were targeting the Lebanese specifically after a spate of unsavoury incidents where the Lebanese boys were harassing and assaulting white Aussie women. But you think that means they targeted Muslims. Pfffffffftttttttttttt. And those Lebanese gangs deserved everything they got and still deserve a lot more. They are scum. Poison is right, nobody in Australia really cares if Indian students come here or not, unless you happen to own a private education college. Don't like it don't come here.

omg! you are so racist!!

[123]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Such a typical PP post here - they were targeting the Lebanese specifically after a spate of unsavoury incidents where the Lebanese boys were harassing and assaulting white Aussie women. But you think that means they targeted Muslims. Pfffffffftttttttttttt. And those Lebanese gangs deserved everything they got and still deserve a lot more. They are scum. Poison is right, nobody in Australia really cares if Indian students come here or not, unless you happen to own a private education college. Don't like it don't come here.

lI was just mentioning that there is racism and its not only against Indians. Going by your explanation/reason behind the riots, Indians should be organizing a riot on St Kilda beach and target all whites.


As for who cares and who doesnt, its a two way traffic, Indians dont come to aus as refugees , they pay fees and buy education. Aussies are selling it .. its a business ... if you dont want Indians then dont advertise.


Anyway I dont wish to discuss anything further. There is racism but doesnt mean all attacks were racist or the whole country is racist but to claim it doesnt exist is same as saying all aussies are racists.

[dani2k]

Originally Posted by Poison In other words nobody in Australia gives a flying **** if the Indian's stay in India, the only possible repercussion is a gross influx in the number of service station attendant vacancies.

Perhaps atleast after the murder of a cute 3 year old for no fault of his, somebody in Australia would start to think if something is wrong somewhere?

Cheap shots are good if they aren't taken at from a glass house.

[Saint29]

Originally Posted by dani2k Perhaps atleast after the murder of a cute 3 year old for no fault of his, somebody in Australia would start to think if something is wrong somewhere? Cheap shots are good if they aren't taken at from a glass house.

And who else would know that better than indians

[dani2k]

^^ I thought a Pakistani would...but they prove they dont

[Gill]

I live in Australia and I love Australia. I agree Australia is much more safe than India. How you are treated by Australians very much depends up what type of Australians you are dealing with. If you are working in a hospital as a doctor and all your colleagues are highly educated you will not feel racism.
On the other hand, if you are doing cheap jobs and you live in a very low socio economic area then you can be subjected to racism. This happens everywhere . Overall Australians are nice people.

I was living in Sydney when issue over the construction over a mosque started. It was all over the news. I also remember they threw a Pig's head over that area at night. I am not sure if Mosque was built in the end or not, but local people protested against it. Sydney has some kind of phobia against muslims and I reckon that is because of the Lebanese community. They think every Lebo is a gangster. That may be true in Bankstown but not everywhere in Australia. I know heaps of Lebanese and some of them are highly educated and respected people. I don't think this Mosque issue would have happened anywhere else in Australia.

Coming to the current issue of racism against Indian students . Indian media has hyped the issue so much that it has spoiled our image in Australia. I am an Indian I have lived in Australia and India and I can tell you that India is much more racist than Australia. The way North Indians are treated in Bombay is the biggest example of racism.

At the same time Australia has some history of racism as well. Typical example is the way gangs were formed in Australia. Starting with ''WOGS'' Greeks and Italians,then Vietnamese gangs in early 90s, Lebanese gangs, and now Sudanese gangs. They are all refugees . I dont know the exact reason why refugees form gangs here but one of the reason could be that they feel they are not treated well or they just can not mix in the society.

[dani2k]

^^ Two wrongs don't make a right mate. What happens in India is as bad as what is supposedly happening in Australia. Sad that the author is hell bent on taking just cheap shots while not acknowledging the problem. You will never win a "Holier than thou" war.

[Saint29]

Originally Posted by dani2k ^^ I thought a Pakistani would...but they prove they dont

Aww getting excited already are we

comparing india to australia when it comes to racism is just ridiculous,

Zameen asman faraq hai

In india Racism exist in everyday's life while in Australia one Isolated Incident and indian are screaming Its just like "Pot calling the kettle black"

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Such a typical PP post here - they were targeting the Lebanese specifically after a spate of unsavoury incidents where the Lebanese boys were harassing and assaulting white Aussie women. But you think that means they targeted Muslims. Pfffffffftttttttttttt. And those Lebanese gangs deserved everything they got and still deserve a lot more. They are scum. Poison is right, nobody in Australia really cares if Indian students come here or not, unless you happen to own a private education college. Don't like it don't come here.

I'm starting to understand why we sent the criminals to australia.

[Cryin Out Loud]

Originally Posted by Saint29 Aww getting excited already are we comparing india to australia when it comes to racism is just ridiculous, Zameen asman faraq hai In india Racism exist in everyday's life while in Australia one Isolated Incident and indian are screaming Its just like "Pot calling the kettle black"

Regardless of the hysteria in India - which was wrong, media led, and ultimately fruitless - I am glad that India cares if she feels that there is some evidence that foreign countries could treat her citizens better. There is at least that.

Not really "pot calling the kettle black", you seemed to have missed the mark in many ways with that metaphor, but I am not surprised.

[Usman]

I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone has made this obvious point:

India has a population of 1 billion - yes thats right, one in 6 people in this world lives in India. So 33,000 murders a year, although in isolation seems a monstrous amount, when compared to 6 billion, it is actually a very small percentage. So this supposed difference in the 'safety' of Australia and India has been wrongly exaggerated.

It's pathetic journalism in my view - a misleading article with the sole purpose of mud slinging.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri I'm starting to understand why we sent the criminals to australia.

LOL "we"

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by dani2k ^^ Two wrongs don't make a right mate. What happens in India is as bad as what is supposedly happening in Australia. Sad that the author is hell bent on taking just cheap shots while not acknowledging the problem. You will never win a "Holier than thou" war.

What problem? I don't see a problem.

[KA$H]

Jingoistic rubbbish

[Poison]

What RA said was right tbh, the Lebanese 'gangs' deserve everything that comes to them. However the riots were not targeting the gangs specifically, they just attacked anyone who looked Arab so that was wrong.

What wasn't reported by the media as much as the riots was the backlash in the night following. More than 200 cars full up with Lebanese ingrates went and destroyed cars, houses and beat up random's just if they were white.

Two wrongs don't make a right but the Cronulla riots weren't unprovoked. It was kind of a vigilante thing that got crazy after people started waving flags and wearing white pointy hats and stuff.

[Thank God It Is ME]

I v heard from someone it is Philipinoes/Thailand and Vietnam boys r dishing out those beatings to inidns. Is that true? But I must say indian media takes the story out of all proportions and makes it bigger n dramatic. Nobody should be killed and no one should be allowed to take political advantage of some tragedy.

[Gill]

Just adding some humor to this thread. Wog culture.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Thank God It Is ME I v heard from someone it is Philipinoes/Thailand and Vietnam boys r dishing out those beatings to inidns. Is that true? But I must say indian media takes the story out of all proportions and makes it bigger n dramatic. Nobody should be killed and no one should be allowed to take political advantage of some tragedy.

I have heard that there is a bit of a gang culture amongst Asians in Melbourne, maybe RA can elaborate a bit more. But it wouldn't surprise me if Indian media agencies knew this and still blamed white Australians.

[Gill]

Check this video .




This will tell you all about gangs. I think this is a Lebanese gangs. Vietnamese gangs were big in Late 90s esp. in areas like Cabramatta in Syndey and west of Adelaide.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Poison I have heard that there is a bit of a gang culture amongst Asians in Melbourne, maybe RA can elaborate a bit more. But it wouldn't surprise me if Indian media agencies knew this and still blamed white Australians.

Yes there is gang culture here. Whether that has anything to do with it is hard to say. It is hard to say who is attacking because very few of the perpetrators have been caught and most of those caught are yet to stand trial. I would say it is just general criminals though, which would be a mix of all races like Aus society.

I would be interested to see if the Indian news agencies which hysterically reported the Indian being set on fire ever bothered to clarify that the person in question actually set fire to himself in an attempted insurance scam.

[Gill]

'' set fire to himself in an attempted insurance scam''

I agree that this may not be a racist attack. This may something completely different. But you have said so easily that guy set himself on fire for insurance claim. Have you ever been to a burn unit of a hospital ???? Lets put it this way.... Have you ever had a burn while cooking or ironing your clothes ?? Do you know what does third degree burn mean. This is one of the most painful thing which can happen to anyone.

This guy must be REALLY desperate to burn himself for insurance claim.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gill '' set fire to himself in an attempted insurance scam'' I agree that this may not be a racist attack. This may something completely different. But you have said so easily that guy set himself on fire for insurance claim. Have you ever been to a burn unit of a hospital ???? Lets put it this way.... Have you ever had a burn while cooking or ironing your clothes ?? Do you know what does third degree burn mean. This is one of the most painful thing which can happen to anyone. This guy must be REALLY desperate to burn himself for insurance claim.

No he was trying to burn his car and stuffed it up.

[Gill]

Sure he did.

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gill Sure he did.

You really a doctor?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225826182591

[dani2k]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie What problem? I don't see a problem.

That is the problem!

[Guli Danda]

Honestly, I don't understand what the problem is. If Indians or anyone else thinks Australia is full of racist thugs then don't go there. What's the point in whining about it?

The author is clearly very anti India. Bringing honour killings etc into it is pointless. Anyone can bring up a whole host of irrelevant issues against a particular country.

[Gill]

To RA,

Thanks for the article. My Bad. My apologies I should have done proper research before giving my opinion on the burning car accident.
Yes I am a doctor. How about you?

If you don't mind me asking you are you caucasian or australian born pakistani? I am just curious.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by dani2k That is the problem!

You live in India.

/argument

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by Gill To RA, Thanks for the article. My Bad. My apologies I should have done proper research before giving my opinion on the burning car accident. Yes I am a doctor. How about you? If you don't mind me asking you are you caucasian or australian born pakistani? I am just curious.

No problem mate. Not a doctor, I am a musician. And caucasian through and through.

[Poison]

I have a feeling Random Aussie IS Peter Siddle.

Just a theory

[pun500]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie No problem mate. Not a doctor, I am a musician. And caucasian through and through.

what do you play?

i guessing you must be a professional right? ... do you compose music?

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by pun500 what do you play? i guessing you must be a professional right? ... do you compose music?

Guitar, bass, keys, programming, production.

I am semi pro at the moment, I work full time as well. Aus market is too small to really make a living unless you are right at the top or prepared to play other people's music.

I have spent time as a professional musician though - and yes I do compose although not much recently. I write music with my band.

Not really on the thread topic, but hey this thread isn't going anywhere anyway.

[Romali_rotti]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Guitar, bass, keys, programming, production. I am semi pro at the moment, I work full time as well. Aus market is too small to really make a living unless you are right at the top or prepared to play other people's music. I have spent time as a professional musician though - and yes I do compose although not much recently. I write music with my band. Not really on the thread topic, but hey this thread isn't going anywhere anyway.

Cobain wannabe ...