IPL Format VS RBS T20 Format (which is essential for Pakistan)?

[Alam_dar]

Actually, forget about IPL, we have 3 types of formats in Pakistan.

1st:
Present 20/20 RBS format with 16 teams.

2nd:
30 Players 20/20 format where there will only be 2 teams.

3rd:
A Domestic Tournament, consisting of 5 Teams (Sindh, Punjab, Sarhad, Baluchistan, Federal team)


Now question is which of the Format is best for us to get the best Team for T20 National team for WC?

I personally believe that the 3rd Choice is the best one, where there are 5 Teams, who are based upon Regions, competing against each other. This keeps the Spirits in the team to go to the Victory.

As far as 16 teams are concerned, then it is way too much teams and Talent is distributed and competition is not of Good Level.

And as far as 2 teams (30 Players) are concerned, then they don't have any Regional Spirits which compel them to play as a team. There players will play an Individual Game and no great Team performance will be shown.

This 5 teams Concept is very much based like IPL 8 teams concept. My suggestion is this that these 5 teams should play at least twice against each other. I am sure that Standards of these 5 Teams is almost equally good as that of 8 teams of IPL with 4 International players.

What we need from the Current RBS 20/20 tournament?

At moment, we are Confused about the following things regarding our T20 National team for the T20 WC


1. We have openers Problem.

Our Domestic Competition should be good enough to bring us to the Final Conclusion about the abilities and form of our Openers. Competition seems to be among:

- Imran Nazir
- Imran Farhat
- Shahzaib Hassan
- Hafeez
- Khalid Latif

- Nasir Jamshed
- Salman Butt
- Naved Malik (a new comer with 180 Strike Rate with very heavy average in 20/20 domestic format)

We are absolutely not sure about the last 3 players at moment. And our present RBS Cup with 16 teams is not going to give us the opportunity to see much of these players against each other.


2. Middle Order Batsman

At moment, our middle order seems to be fit with Malik, Umar Akmal and Fawad Alam there.
But I am still not satisfied with this middle Order. There is always space for better choices.
One big flaw is there is no REPLACEMENT Middle order batsman there about whom we could be sure.
At moment I see only Asad Shafique as the possible reserve middle Order Batsman. We must try to find out any good Hard Hitting Batsman who has ability to hit 6s with ease for No. 6 Spot (a pure Match Winner hard Hitter like Razzaq)

3. Hard Hitting Bowling All Rounder
As alternative, we could also check to have a hard hitting all rounder like Rana Naved or Yasir Arafat to fulfil this spot of Hard hitting batsman along with Razzaq.

We are not sure about Rana/Yasir Arafat/Sohail Tanvir . This RBS Cup should make it possible to get sure who is the best choice among these 3.


4. Fast Bowling Competition

For me, it is still not locked, except for Aamir.
We have to check among:

- Gull
- Asif
- Rana
- Arafat
- Yasir Arafat
- Sohail Tanvir

Perhaps all these Bowler are competing for only one spot (if we consider Razzaq as 3rd Fast Bowler and Aamir as 1st Fast Bowler. This means all of them are competing for the 3rd Fast Bowling Spot.

This is very important question for us to find out with 100% surety who is our next best Bowler for the 20/20

At moment the following Questions are open for our National 20/20 team

1. Kamran Akmal (locked)

2. 2nd Opener (Open)

3. Afridi (locked)
4. Umar Akmal (locked)
5. Malik (locked)
6. Fawad Alam (locked)

7. .................. (Open. We have to decide either we go with an Extra Specialist Batsman, or with the Hard Hitting All Rounder which are RANA or Yasir Arafat)

8. Razzaq (naturally he plays above Rana/Yasir Arafat, or even more above if Situation demands)

9. Aamir

10. Gulla/Asif/ (strong competition between these 2. Others are Sohail Tanvir/Rana/Arafat/Wahab Riaz)

11. Saeed Ajmal (while tracks are turning in West Indies, so his spot is almost locked)

[so123]

Agree but think Gul is definitely locked and mabe also Nazir.

[Alam_dar]

Please remember, this thread is actually about the 3 different formats and which of them could be more beneficial for Pakistan.

[pakmania]

3rd:
A Domestic Tournament, consisting of 5 Teams (Sindh, Punjab, Sarhad, Baluchistan, Federal team)


More competitive

[Couch Cricketer]

this format as this would allow youngsters to come in where as if their are only 5 teams
chances the majority of players would be seniors and the rest would be ****** players.
So no new talent would come out as if a player is really good he can really force selectors to
get him into the team but if they cant get into the eyes of the public they cant

[BoomBoomCricket]

RBST20 is more essential I feel .

[Alam_dar]

I thought a lot on this Issue and in light of above few helpful responses, I have come to the following conclusion.

1. First thing we should understand is this that 20/20 is a shorter Version of game. It carries few Injuries for the Bowlers (only 4 overs).
Therefore, it makes possible that "A lot and Prolonged 20/20" Competition could be played.


2. Second thing we should understand that at moment there are already "Two" 20/20 Competitions in frame on National Level
1st is this RBS T20
And 2nd is when two Teams will be formed, which will play against each other.


3. In my Opinion, this 2nd Competition between 2 Teams is not useful one. There is no Spirit involve in it, there will be no team work, and all the players will go only for individual performances.
A game without spirit will loose every thing and thus it makes it a real useless competition in my eyes.


4. Also keep in mind that many posters above are of Opinion that present RBST20 Format is good one while it gives chances to many NEW Talents to appear on TV Screens. And otherwise we see only few good and remaining ****** Players. I personally feel weight in their argument.

Nevertheless, there are also some negative aspect of have RBST20 with 16 teams in it. And the biggest flaw is the quality of Teams and quality of game. We have already witnessed how bad few teams are like Abottabad, Quetta, Haiderabad etc. It is simply not providing enough good Cricket to our International level players.


Solution (in my Eyes)

Above I wrote that there are already 2 National Level Competitions for T20.

First is RBST20 with 16 Teams
Second is 2 Teams from the top 30 Probables list

In my Opinion, they should keep these 2 National Level Competitions for T20, but change the Later format with 5 State Teams. So it is like this:

1st: A Competition which is almost the same as present RBST20 with 16 teams, but change it's name to some what "Pak Inter City T20 Comepititioon"

2nd: State or Province Level T20 Competition with only 5 Teams (Punjab, Sindh, NWFP, Baluchistan & Federal Team)


In my Opinion, this 2 level T20 Competition will bring following benefits:

1. In "Inter City" competition, we would be able to see all the New Talents. So it's a Talent spotter.
This Competition will get Importance if Condition is there that only those players will qualify to the next level who will perform good at this Level.

2. So, next step is Province/State based Competition consisting of 5 Teams.

* State/Province Competition will keep the Spirit of the game (not only in Players, but also in the spectators in Stadium and on TVs)

* Very Important: Only this State/Province Level Competition is able to Provide enough Standard Practice to our Players who have further to compete at International Level.

You see, we always complain that we don't have that Standard Domestic Competition where we could produce International Level Players. I am of this Opinion that these State/Province level 5 Teams Competition has level which is about 70-90% close to International Level.


3. As I already wrote above that 20/20 is a shorter format and there are less chances of getting injured, so there will be no Harm in Playing little longer State/Province Level Tournament with all those 5 Teams playing against each other at least twice.

4. This State/Province Level Competition should be held some what in fashion of IPL.

5. This State/Procince Level Competition should form the future Backbone for the Pakistani Version of IPL. Give green light to the 5 State Teams to buy and Include 3-4 International Players in order to increase the Quality & Standard of the game.

Now I want to hear a lot of comments from you people covering all the important points.

[saeed-sohail]

I think this 5 provincial team idea is a brilliant one. With few rule changes it can become a success.
In every 11 there should be at least 3 players under 20.
Only one 30+ player should play for each team.
Each team should contain no more then 4 players with international T20 experience.
30 day before the competition starts teams can sign up to 3 players from out of province.

[AZ]

neither are essential for the betterment of Pakistan cricket...it is and will always be a money-spinning endeavour...

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar neither are essential for the betterment of Pakistan cricket...it is and will always be a money-spinning endeavour...

So you would do away with T20 competition altogether?

[Fawad2010]

Create 10 Cricket Academies in Top Ten Cities (population wise) then have them fight for the top spot.
This way,
we wont have too many teams
Academies will strive to be the best
Cricket academies will be availible throughout the country
New talent would be groomed in the academies year-long

[AZ]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail So you would do away with T20 competition altogether?

it should not be the "jewel in the crown" signature event that it is now...the ultimate prize is the 50 over ODI competition, the one format where one can be really recognized as a World Champion...if the PCB marketed that event better and scheduled it so as the national team players were also part of it, I have no doubt that it can be successful as well.