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Old 6th April 2010, 15:03
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Abu Nechim Ahmed - an Indian 145+ km/hr bowler

He is only 21 and almost touched 145 km/hr in his first over in a IPL match today. Can be a prospect for India.
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:06
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Okay today is 6th april 2010

His expiry date is 7th April 2011.
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:07
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Okay today is 6th april 2010

His expiry date is 7th April 2011.

125 KPH looks promising 7th april 2011
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:09
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:10
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:11
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hehe, just watching an indian bowl close 145 km/hr was a big thing for me, don't know what he will be like tomorrow though.
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:18
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Umesh Yadav has outpaced Nannes in all the matches he played for DD . was consistently around 145kph . I haven't seen Ahmed bowl , but umesh is certainly a good prospect .
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The highest cricinfo has in their commentary is 142 KPH. The 145+ was probably said on tv. Anyhow, he has the pace but is not using it properly, going for 13 an over right now.
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:23
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They come and go,these "phaast" bowlers.

He's the next Atul Sharma for sure.
Why I say that?

Will be hyped up then will vanish
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:34
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The highest cricinfo has in their commentary is 142 KPH. The 145+ was probably said on tv. Anyhow, he has the pace but is not using it properly, going for 13 an over right now.
For your kind information his very last bowl of his first over clocked 144.8 km/hr, I saw that myself and Crapinfo didn't show the speed of his last delivery.
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:40
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really he looks good down the earth bowler, and very edgy
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:41
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Was there heavy winds at the ground when he was bowling? ;)
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Old 6th April 2010, 15:42
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I think he will be a good prospect based on speed alone. i say this, because he is muslim(based on name). muslim= meat eater (beef)= more protein= power= speed
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:14
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I think he will be a good prospect based on speed alone. i say this, because he is muslim(based on name). muslim= meat eater (beef)= more protein= power= speed
Umesh Yadav bowled 145.2 ks in his second game fro delhi and was faster than Nannes...he is not a muslim though
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:18
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india cannot produce out and out quick bowler's


this guy will bowl 130 over a month
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:25
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Regardless of his speed, he was pretty average even in the ICL.
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:27
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hes not quality tho...
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:28
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I think he will be a good prospect based on speed alone. i say this, because he is muslim(based on name). muslim= meat eater (beef)= more protein= power= speed
Nowadays some hindus eat beef too.

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Old 6th April 2010, 16:29
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HE has been hammered for 26 in 2 over's that is the last time you will see him.....


you cannot ask a upcoming bowler to bowl in t20 matches only Pakistan can do that with Mohammed Amir...
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:45
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Numerous bowlers can hit 90 mph in short bursts or after a long break. The true indicator of an out and out pacer is the ability to consistently bowl 90 mph, over after over, match after match. This requires tremendous strength, energy and endurance. Lee, Steyn, Akhtar, etc.
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:49
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Oooh is he faster than the other big guy (forgot his name)?
Is he the next Wasim Akram?

Can he flip over tyres?
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:50
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Oooh is he faster than the other big guy (forgot his name)?
Is he the next Wasim Akram?

Can he flip over tyres?
How can you forget the great Atul Sharma?
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Old 6th April 2010, 16:55
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well there have been numerous jokes made about indian pacers and most of them true as well ...

but what i like in this is that we have finally started producing bowlers who can hit 140. not just one or 2 but a reasonable pack. this luxury we never had before.

just look at the improvement through decade

70-80 ... kapil dev medium fast at best 130-135 avg speed
80-90 ... kapil , prabhakar still @ 130-135 avg speed
90-00 .. srinath zak agarkar@ 135-140 avg speed
00-10 .. zak nehra agarkar yadav tyagi sharma nechim mithun sreesanth even rp at times

all of the above (not talking about quality) can hit 140 with better ease than those before.

and for the first time we have an arsenal not potent but still choice is there

hopefully in next 10 years we would produce atleast 1 express
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Old 6th April 2010, 17:03
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Oooh is he faster than the other big guy (forgot his name)?
Is he the next Wasim Akram?

Can he flip over tyres?


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Old 6th April 2010, 17:11
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The fast bowling or Power has not any thing to do with the BEEF eating. There are 16 Million Muslims in India who are eating millions of Cows every day but still there is no regular 145 kmh Muslim Indian Bowler too.

Indians should come out of this BEEF hysteria.

The main reason for strength loose in India is the excessive usage of SPICES and also excessive usage of SWEETs in Indian (specially Hindu) diet.
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No Indian bowler will EVER have the incentive to develop express pace because 80% of the games they play will be on the subcontinental pitches.

That and the Indian veggie diet theory.
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Old 6th April 2010, 18:02
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He is only 21 and almost touched 145 km/hr in his first over in a IPL match today. Can be a prospect for India.
People soon will forget about it
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Old 6th April 2010, 18:14
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wasnt ishant sharma bowling 150 kmph once.
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Old 6th April 2010, 18:23
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It's got nothing to do with diet..it's about conditions,hype,money and too much cricket..Indians play too much cricket on flat pitches..why should anyone risk their career bowling at that pace for little reward??
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Old 6th April 2010, 18:30
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It's got nothing to do with diet..it's about conditions,hype,money and too much cricket..Indians play too much cricket on flat pitches..why should anyone risk their career bowling at that pace for little reward??

if its about flat pitches, how does pakistan produce one after the other??
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The fast bowling or Power has not any thing to do with the BEEF eating. There are 16 Million Muslims in India who are eating millions of Cows every day but still there is no regular 145 kmh Muslim Indian Bowler too.

Indians should come out of this BEEF hysteria.

The main reason for strength loose in India is the excessive usage of SPICES and also excessive usage of SWEETs in Indian (specially Hindu) diet.

i said beef eating just as a source of vitamin but that is not the number one reason why they dont produce express bowlers. i cant blame the diet of india bcs i know pakistani diet aint much better.

IMO, the number one reason why they dont produce pacers is because they dont play tape ball cricket, as in pakistan. Tape ball cricket is all about pace, if u have it u are king. Even at a young age, u learn to bend ur back and jump extra just to get that extra yard of pace. When our bowlers start playing hard-ball, that pace is already there and gets enhanced as the bowling technique gets better.
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It is so much fun to bring down Indian bowlers .Wondering what would be served for Indians,if they are not number 1 in test cricket and 2 in ODI.
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Old 6th April 2010, 18:37
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if its about flat pitches, how does pakistan produce one after the other??
Natural in Pakistan, born to ball fast
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When our bowlers start playing hard-ball, that pace is already there and gets enhanced as the bowling technique gets better.
That is interesting.
But what about the aussies and saffies ? In their juicy conditions , that would mean they wouldn't have to put in a real effort with assisting pitches ? Maybe they're just physically too well built
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Old 6th April 2010, 22:52
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Was there heavy winds at the ground when he was bowling? ;)


Or maybe he was powered by the ingenious 'Daal based gaseous energy' made famous by Dand Paa Jee

I am probably mistaken because then he should have been bowling way over 160 KMH
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Old 6th April 2010, 23:40
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if its about flat pitches, how does pakistan produce one after the other??

look Ishant was bowling pretty briskly in the beginning..srinath was also reasonably quick..same with zaheer in the beginning too..srisanth was another...but now look at them...they play ranji trophy then their numerous t20 and ODI games on flat pitches in extreme heat at times...no wonder they dont last long..what youve got to remember also is the conditions in pak are different..the environment is different..and to an extent the food we eat..but I think that factor doesnt play as much a role as other things...

India play too much cricket in batsmen friendly conditions...

as for our lads....well our pitches in domestic are not generally flat..we get plenty of seamers and we do get to play alot in punjab and NWFP...I also think tape ball has a part to play in all this too and attitude...when your bowling with the tape ball in village or gully cricket you want to bowl fast and develop techniques to help you bowl fast e,g weird actions or slingy actions etc...the tape ball can swing at pace of you know how...

Indians play with a tennis ball mostly which doesnt do much and hence I dont think develop well as fast bowlers...you cant coach pace and street smarts!!
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That is interesting.
But what about the aussies and saffies ? In their juicy conditions , that would mean they wouldn't have to put in a real effort with assisting pitches ? Maybe they're just physically too well built
In general we are much physically bigger. Better food, nutrition and and outdoors (beach/aprk) lifestyle helps.

Also our pitches and the saffer pitches have bounce, there is something in them if you want to bend your back. And also we like hurting people in sporting contests.

Most of the young quicks we have coming through are over 192cm.
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well there have been numerous jokes made about indian pacers and most of them true as well ...

but what i like in this is that we have finally started producing bowlers who can hit 140. not just one or 2 but a reasonable pack. this luxury we never had before.

just look at the improvement through decade

70-80 ... kapil dev medium fast at best 130-135 avg speed
80-90 ... kapil , prabhakar still @ 130-135 avg speed
90-00 .. srinath zak agarkar@ 135-140 avg speed
00-10 .. zak nehra agarkar yadav tyagi sharma nechim mithun sreesanth even rp at times

all of the above (not talking about quality) can hit 140 with better ease than those before.

and for the first time we have an arsenal not potent but still choice is there

hopefully in next 10 years we would produce atleast 1 express
Express quickies don't develop through practice
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Old 7th April 2010, 06:04
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I think he will be a good prospect based on speed alone. i say this, because he is muslim(based on name). muslim= meat eater (beef)= more protein= power= speed
only muslims eat meat? what a pity mate.. we hindus also eat meat. Christains also eat meat daily.. u ve little general knowledge mate
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Old 7th April 2010, 06:08
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He is raw and and he is quick.. good thing is that he is not from any big city..
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Old 7th April 2010, 06:23
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WOuld be interesting to know if besides Mohd Aamer (remains to be seen how he bowls after his back injury), there are other bowlers in Pakistan right now who are out and out quicks?

I hear the name Talha, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz etc but in the chances they got they looked out of plce. Have no idea how they are doing now. Is there some little kid somewhere in Pakistan preparing to bowl 150 kmph thunderbolts consistently?
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Old 7th April 2010, 08:57
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WOuld be interesting to know if besides Mohd Aamer (remains to be seen how he bowls after his back injury),

1 there are other bowlers in Pakistan right now who are out and out quicks?

2 I hear the name Talha, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz etc but in the chances they got they looked out of plce. Have no idea how they are doing now.

Is there some little kid somewhere in Pakistan preparing to bowl 150 kmph thunderbolts consistently?
Bolded 1 answer - No

Bolded 2 answer - None of those are express quicks. Talha and Riaz are quicks but 142kphish. Sohail Khan is about the speed of Shane Watson.

Bolded 3 answer - Probably but he needs connections, money and sifarish to get anywhere. There is probably an entire team of cricketers in Pakistan better than the current team but they do not select the players on merit. Similar to how Indian team used to be, bloke from this area, bloke from that area, bloke who is relative of selector....
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Old 7th April 2010, 09:02
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Old 7th April 2010, 09:09
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only muslims eat meat? what a pity mate.. we hindus also eat meat. Christains also eat meat daily.. u ve little general knowledge mate
Just a question out of curiosity: Are you Indians allowed to eat meat according to the consensus in your religion?

In Islam we are allowed to eat halal meat.
Christians, beeing people of book, are also allowed to eat meat, but I thought meat was imperrmisible in hinduism?

If people do certain acts because they are ignorant, that is another thing.
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WOuld be interesting to know if besides Mohd Aamer (remains to be seen how he bowls after his back injury), there are other bowlers in Pakistan right now who are out and out quicks?

I hear the name Talha, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz etc but in the chances they got they looked out of plce. Have no idea how they are doing now. Is there some little kid somewhere in Pakistan preparing to bowl 150 kmph thunderbolts consistently?
Talha, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz are all 145+ bowlers and they are all young (under 25). They are all eager to go and are in Pakistan A squad.

In addition you have Aizaz Cheema who is real quick, Sami is bowling quick, Gul is quick.

Hammad Azam was bowling around 140 and he is only 19 I think and with time he will be quicker.

And I am sure you have many quick bowlers in the domestic level in Pakistan.

Besides no one had heard about Aamer 3 years ago and all of sudden he was there, and we will InshaAllah keep producing bowlers like these in future.
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Bolded 2 answer - None of those are express quicks. Talha and Riaz are quicks but 142kphish. Sohail Khan is about the speed of Shane Watson.
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You wish, he is way quicker than Watson. He used to bowl regurlarly at 145, and out of these three sohail khan is the fastest. And with the help of waqar they will get faster inshaAllah.
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Talha, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz are all 145+ bowlers and they are all young (under 25). They are all eager to go and are in Pakistan A squad.

In addition you have Aizaz Cheema who is real quick, Sami is bowling quick, Gul is quick.

Hammad Azam was bowling around 140 and he is only 19 I think and with time he will be quicker.

And I am sure you have many quick bowlers in the domestic level in Pakistan.

Besides no one had heard about Aamer 3 years ago and all of sudden he was there, and we will InshaAllah keep producing bowlers like these in future.
RA respectfully disagrees IAJ. If you mean 145+ bowlers in that their fastest ball of their first spell is over 145 then maybe.

Sohail Khan is not a fast bowler. He is medium pacer. I have watched him bowl.

Sami is genuine quick, forgot about him. Gul is not express, he can bowl quite fast but he will be injured even faster if he does.

Given the way PP hype the quicks, it is noticeable that there is no hyping of any young Pakistan quicks going on at all. The only hype is for MF bowlers like Anwar and Irfan.

And I had heard about Aamer before I even joined this site. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere.
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I have played against this guy.. We lived in the same area. Got to say he was very very quick when i played him but I know two other guys who were considerably quicker than him. But as they were not professionals & had other goals in their mind they couldn't climb up the ladder. I just wonder as he bowls at mid 140's then their speed would have been 150+ for sure.
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You wish, he is way quicker than Watson. He used to bowl regurlarly at 145, and out of these three sohail khan is the fastest. And with the help of waqar they will get faster inshaAllah.
He bowls at 132kph if he strains mate. Have watched every spell of his in international cricket, he bowled one ball at 146kph which was probably speed gun error. I don't know how you can claim he bowl 145+ consistently.

If he lost about 15 pounds, got fit and got a new bowling action then maybe he could bowl quick.

Watson was 145+ with his old action (that he had to lose because of injury) out of interest, at one stage he was the second quickest bowler in Australia behind Lee.
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Just saw video of this guy, he is right arm Medium....





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Just a question out of curiosity: Are you Indians allowed to eat meat according to the consensus in your religion?

In Islam we are allowed to eat halal meat.
Christians, beeing people of book, are also allowed to eat meat, but I thought meat was imperrmisible in hinduism?

If people do certain acts because they are ignorant, that is another thing.
We r not ignorant, we hindus cook and eat beef, chicken, mutton very often. Only brahmins are non vegitarians, not all other castes.
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Just a question out of curiosity: Are you Indians allowed to eat meat according to the consensus in your religion?

In Islam we are allowed to eat halal meat.
Christians, beeing people of book, are also allowed to eat meat, but I thought meat was imperrmisible in hinduism?

If people do certain acts because they are ignorant, that is another thing.
Just a small piece of stat for you, recently there was a survey done in major cities of India and the %age of non-vegetarians was found to be around 84% of the total population.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1490222.cms


I am no expert on hindusim, but the little history that I know tells me that none of our religious books says we cant eat meat, beef though is a no-no as Cow for us is very sacred (though none of the books say beef is forbidden, its just a beleif we are brought up with). There are certain pockets in various regions where meat is not eaten in general, but then there are states where majority population is non-vegetarian (Bengal, Punjab, Kerala, Goa, North Eastern India etc). But over the years, all these beliefs and value systems have gone through a sea change. The number of meat eaters has been gradually on the rise as more people have started moving out of their home towns to other cities/abroad for work or studies. I have seen so many families where the parents are pure vegetarians but the children eat meat.

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End point; Indians don't become fast bowlers because they don't eat meat; its just a genetic trait they lack.
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Bolded 1 answer - No

Bolded 2 answer - None of those are express quicks. Talha and Riaz are quicks but 142kphish. Sohail Khan is about the speed of Shane Watson.

Bolded 3 answer - Probably but he needs connections, money and sifarish to get anywhere. There is probably an entire team of cricketers in Pakistan better than the current team but they do not select the players on merit. Similar to how Indian team used to be, bloke from this area, bloke from that area, bloke who is relative of selector....

WOOOW RA u have a good knowledge of other nations domestic cricketers too....
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End point; Indians don't become fast bowlers because they don't eat meat; its just a genetic trait they lack.
Hmm so you mean the genes have changed in the last 62 years. Am not good at biology, please explain the "genetic difference".
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End point; Indians don't become fast bowlers because they don't eat meat; its just a genetic trait they lack.
No, they become batsmen. As others have pointed out, the glory in India always with the batters not the bowlers. Reverse in Pakistan. Literally lol.
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Hmm so you mean the genes have changed in the last 62 years. Am not good at biology, please explain the "genetic difference".
Genepool definitely has.

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No, they become batsmen. As others have pointed out, the glory in India always with the batters not the bowlers. Reverse in Pakistan. Literally lol.
We need more in-betweeners aka me :aamir
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WOuld be interesting to know if besides Mohd Aamer (remains to be seen how he bowls after his back injury), there are other bowlers in Pakistan right now who are out and out quicks?

I hear the name Talha, Sohail Khan, Wahab Riaz etc but in the chances they got they looked out of plce. Have no idea how they are doing now. Is there some little kid somewhere in Pakistan preparing to bowl 150 kmph thunderbolts consistently?
What back injury? he was bowling at full speed during the recent t20 cup
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Speed means nothing if there is no thought attached to it. Tait balls 150+ and gets hammered 9 times out of 10. There is no replacement for skill of swing and seam with a decent pace. Often 135 is good enough
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Talha, Sohail Khan and Wahab Riaz are all 145+ bowlers and they are all young (under 25). They are all eager to go and are in Pakistan A squad.

In addition you have Aizaz Cheema who is real quick, Sami is bowling quick, Gul is quick.

Hammad Azam was bowling around 140 and he is only 19 I think and with time he will be quicker.

And I am sure you have many quick bowlers in the domestic level in Pakistan.

Besides no one had heard about Aamer 3 years ago and all of sudden he was there, and we will InshaAllah keep producing bowlers like these in future.

I need some explanation on your logic. I dont understand how u can say that pace will increase over time. As the guy gets older, doesnt he reduce in pace, and increases in technique. Akhtar in '99 was far quicker and consistent than in '09. I believe ur most 'pacy' until 21 or 22, after that you might become a better bowler, but you certainly dont increase in pace. Provide examples to prove ur point. I could be wrong.
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Bolded 1 answer - No

Bolded 2 answer - None of those are express quicks. Talha and Riaz are quicks but 142kphish. Sohail Khan is about the speed of Shane Watson.

Bolded 3 answer - Probably but he needs connections, money and sifarish to get anywhere. There is probably an entire team of cricketers in Pakistan better than the current team but they do not select the players on merit. Similar to how Indian team used to be, bloke from this area, bloke from that area, bloke who is relative of selector....

fact that you are using words such as 'sifarish' in proper context is prove that you've been here for a long time mate....
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We r not ignorant, we hindus cook and eat beef, chicken, mutton very often. Only brahmins are non vegitarians, not all other castes.

i apologize if i offended you dude. it was not my intention. they belief has always been that hindus dont eat meat. that 'belief' will turn into a 'myth' now. thanks for the insight
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Express quickies don't develop through practice

once again you have completely missed the gist of the post.

The thing I am pointing out is now there is an emphasis on bowling quick which was lacking earlier. Most domestic teams look for a quickie (indian speeds ) along with a medium pacer

this was lacking earlier.

Also I can assure you our quicks will start coming simply because now there is a more efficient way of tapping talents beyond metros and big cricket centers
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once again you have completely missed the gist of the post.

The thing I am pointing out is now there is an emphasis on bowling quick which was lacking earlier. Most domestic teams look for a quickie (indian speeds ) along with a medium pacer

this was lacking earlier.

Also I can assure you our quicks will start coming simply because now there is a more efficient way of tapping talents beyond metros and big cricket centers
But at the moment there are bigger chances for Pakistan to produce good batsmen than India producing express bowlers.
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But at the moment there are bigger chances for Pakistan to produce good batsmen than India producing express bowlers.

i don't understand how Pakistan not able to produce good batsman consistenly ..they need to be amongst the best ...coz they always play good and express bowlers in their domestic matches and in net practice too...:
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i don't understand how Pakistan not able to produce good batsman consistenly ..they need to be amongst the best ...coz they always play good and express bowlers in their domestic matches and in net practice too...:
Well our boys are good on home soil, it is when we go to Australia, South Africa and England we struggle because of the conditions there obviously.

We generally don't have good technique. What that come of I don't know. Maybe lack of good batting coaches, or we do have good coaches but PCB are not approaching them. Our players might be lazy and are not as professionals as some of the other countrys' players.

Many posters here can give better answer than me.
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Well our boys are good on home soil, it is when we go to Australia, South Africa and England we struggle because of the conditions there obviously.

We generally don't have good technique. What that come of I don't know. Maybe lack of good batting coaches, or we do have good coaches but PCB are not approaching them. Our players might be lazy and are not as professionals as some of the other countrys' players.

Many posters here can give better answer than me.


you have Javed Miandad,Zaheer Abbas
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you have Javed Miandad,Zaheer Abbas
Well as I stated PCB are not contacting them. There are so much politics and pride involved here.
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No chance in hell we love our spices and sweets forever :3

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Bolded 1 answer - No

Bolded 2 answer - None of those are express quicks. Talha and Riaz are quicks but 142kphish. Sohail Khan is about the speed of Shane Watson.

Bolded 3 answer - Probably but he needs connections, money and sifarish to get anywhere. There is probably an entire team of cricketers in Pakistan better than the current team but they do not select the players on merit. Similar to how Indian team used to be, bloke from this area, bloke from that area, bloke who is relative of selector....
I thought Sohail Khan is faster than Talha and Riaz?
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But at the moment there are bigger chances for Pakistan to produce good batsmen than India producing express bowlers.
have you looked at your batters lately ... barring u akmal theres zilch and akmal also seems to be going his elder bros way

we are no 1 in tests and no 2 in odis ... we have bowlers .

sharma rp even pathan sree all had their moments and then faded . For the first time our bolwers cornered MOS awards which never happned before.

all pak so called gr8 batsmen are only in domestic ... nasir "the bradman " jamshed , fire alam , duck factory butt , kathakali dancer malik, even babar azam is hopeless when it seams a little. You have to play most of your tests on juicy tracks from now on
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all pak so called gr8 batsmen are only in domestic ... nasir "the bradman " jamshed , fire alam , duck factory butt , kathakali dancer malik, even babar azam is hopeless when it seams a little. You have to play most of your tests on juicy tracks from now on
Yeah, but the thing is, even our least-rated batsmen are supremely comfortable against India. We have all seen the demolition Afridi has inflicted on India over the years. Malik averages 50+ with something like 3 ODI Tons and 2 90's against India. Hell, even Butt, who is not even a regular in any format, has bashed the Indian bowlers. Faisal Iqbal once made 139 against India on a green seamer.

Face it, our batsman have the upper hand in India/Pak encounters. Dhoni, THE UV, and co are happy to hit Rao/Sami/Tanvir/Sohail Khan/Riaz around, but when Asif and Akhtar show up, they are brought back down to Earth.
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Yeah, but the thing is, even our least-rated batsmen are supremely comfortable against India. We have all seen the demolition Afridi has inflicted on India over the years. Malik averages 50+ with something like 3 ODI Tons and 2 90's against India. Hell, even Butt, who is not even a regular in any format, has bashed the Indian bowlers. Faisal Iqbal once made 139 against India on a green seamer.

Face it, our batsman have the upper hand in India/Pak encounters. Dhoni, THE UV, and co are happy to hit Rao/Sami/Tanvir/Sohail Khan/Riaz around, but when Asif and Akhtar show up, they are brought back down to Earth.
Oh really?

Yuvi has scored his 3 test 100s against Pakistan with either Asif or Akhtar in the team, Dhoni averages 64-65 in tests.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...s;type=batting

In ODIs, Dhoni and Yuvi are even worse, averaging 73 and 56 when either asif or akhtar are playing

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...s;type=batting
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Yeah, but the thing is, even our least-rated batsmen are supremely comfortable against India. We have all seen the demolition Afridi has inflicted on India over the years. Malik averages 50+ with something like 3 ODI Tons and 2 90's against India. Hell, even Butt, who is not even a regular in any format, has bashed the Indian bowlers. Faisal Iqbal once made 139 against India on a green seamer.

Face it, our batsman have the upper hand in India/Pak encounters. Dhoni, THE UV, and co are happy to hit Rao/Sami/Tanvir/Sohail Khan/Riaz around, but when Asif and Akhtar show up, they are brought back down to Earth.
Asif and akhtar Vs India

Asif avgs 28 againist India in tests 5 avg points more than his normal avg.

in ODIs he avgs 44 againist India his normal avg is 32

Akhtar avgs 34 againist India 10 points over his normal avg.

Akhtar ODI normal avg is 23 againist India 25

so they have fared worse againist India than againist anyone else.


You are comparing Pakistani Batsman with Indian batsman you serious?

Afridi and his demolition...batting avg 25 bowling avg 50 something.what demolition over 60+ ODI matches

and now you will go to find how some one performed in One Kqarachi or chennai test or one Kanpur one day........i mean really
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Asif and akhtar Vs India

Asif avgs 28 againist India in tests 5 avg points more than his normal avg.

in ODIs he avgs 44 againist India his normal avg is 32

Akhtar avgs 34 againist India 10 points over his normal avg.

Akhtar ODI normal avg is 23 againist India 25

so they have fared worse againist India than againist anyone else.


You are comparing Pakistani Batsman with Indian batsman you serious?

Afridi and his demolition...batting avg 25 bowling avg 50 something.what demolition over 60+ ODI matches

and now you will go to find how some one performed in One Kqarachi or chennai test or one Kanpur one day........i mean really



You really reply to such posts. I mean...... come on
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You really reply to such posts. I mean...... come on
come on you gotta try....isnt it...
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Just saw video of this guy, he is right arm Medium....





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Asif and akhtar Vs India

Asif avgs 28 againist India in tests 5 avg points more than his normal avg.

in ODIs he avgs 44 againist India his normal avg is 32

Akhtar avgs 34 againist India 10 points over his normal avg.

Akhtar ODI normal avg is 23 againist India 25

so they have fared worse againist India than againist anyone else.
Ummm, did it occur to you where Pak and India play most of their test matches against each other? Does "flat pitches" mean anything to you?

Here are the four Indian bowling "greats" (100+ test wickets) of 2000s and their bowling averages:

Zaheer Khan
Overall: 32.98
vs Pak: 47.29

Bhajji
Overall: 30.94
vs Pak: 52.04

Kumble
Overall: 29.65
vs Pak: 31.97

Irfan Pathan
Overall: 32.26
vs Pak: 49.92

For the first three, their bowling averages against Pak are their worst against ANY country. For Pathan, they are the second worst. But, before I make any conclusions on their bowling ability against Pak, I'd try and reason why. Incl. where these matches may have been played.

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